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"The woman at the centre of Tim Paine's sexting scandal didn't report the incident to Cricket Tasmania until seven months after it occurred - when they laid formal charges against her for allegedly stealing."

Aha, interesting. Why would you do that?
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She was so traumatised by the dicpic that it led to a life of crime.Shocked
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Typical  bulldust.  Any excuse on her part is total rubbish.  Outing him after months is just so typical of an attention seeker.
But he must have been nuts to do it in the first place, as Rusty says.
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Much has been written about Pat Cummins as the next Australian captain. I doubt he will cope with the captaincy as a fast bowler. To captain a side as a fast bowler is a difficult task as after each of his own overs Cummins would have  to re-arrange fielding positions , contemplate who should bowl overs etc...In the past bowlers Ian Johnson & Richie Benaud have successfully captained Australia, but they were both spin bowlers not fast bowlers, who I would imagined were not exhausted at the completion of each over. 
The last fast bowler to captain Australia was Ray Lindwall, who was captain for one test in India in 1956-57.
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Cummins as captain will put to rest Australia's plan to revive the bowler rotation policy. Either that or he will only captain and not bowl in a Test. Silly idea having fast bowlers in leadership.
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That is bullgelati.

He thoroughly deserves the honour.

That is not a single person in that side capable or deserving of captaining the team apart from Cummins.

Bob Willis, Imran Khan, Kapil Dev were all able to captain their test teams.


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He may deserve the honour djebel, but if you think that a fast bowler is able to both bowl to his peak and lead the side in the field properly well frankly you've not been a bowler in cricket.

It isn't just the physical fatigue of bowling but also the mental fatigue of constantly thinking about bowling changes, field changes etc, it'll all flow well when the goings good but it also contains the risk of the wheels falling off big time when it isn't going good.

In saying that I wouldn't be surprised if they appoint Cummins as captain but Smith takes back on some of the on-field stuff such as bowling changes and field settings as lets be realistic, even under Paine it was obvious that Smith was having some input into those decisions anyway.
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You make it sound like a fast bowler bowls every second over in a day's play. Cummins will have plenty of time to think.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Afros Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Nov 2021 at 7:07pm
Of course he won't bowl every second over, but he'll likely bowl low to mid 20s out of the 90 in a days play, still a fair physical workload, plus the mental load of thinking of his own bowling, add in thinking about what the other bowlers are doing, field and bowling changes and so on and he won't get a chance to switch off for an entire day in the field, very draining, if you think what I said isn't true well you've obviously not captained a cricket side.
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Listening to the great Alan Davidson the other week in an interview he said Richie never once told him how to set his fields , but on the odd occasion would come up to him during an over and say " Alan , is their anything you want me to change for you " what a captain ! StarStarStar
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It was a different game in those times to what it is now.
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I am calling on the Murdoch press to push his claims. 
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In what way Afros ? I'm confused. LOL
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Originally posted by Afros Afros wrote:

It was a different game in those times to what it is now.

I would say it easier today. 

They have a smorgasbord of staff sorting everything out both on and off the field. 


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Professionalism has changed the game in many ways, for example you wouldn't see the players, particularly the overnight not out batsmen, drunk in the bar of the hotel they were staying at, as Doug Walters and Gus Gilmour were said to be in NZ during the innings in which Dougy made his highest test score.

I doubt in those days there was much planning around how to get players out, the approach would have been pretty standard from batsman to batsman so setting the fields would have been pretty standard, say 3 slips and a gully, 3rd man, mid on, mid off, mid wicket, covers.  If he looks like he's going to get going start moving them out of slips into more protective positions would have been about as tactical as it got.
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With due respect Afros that's a poor reflection by you on two of the most respected men who wore the baggy green , and a couple of drunks ? LOLLOL I suppose Richie would give that the ok during a match ? like f...k he would ! 
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Carioca, that story about Doug Walters and Gus Gilmour is on the public record in a book by Kerry O'Keefe, in which he suggests, tongue in cheek I'm sure, that Doug ran him out the next day for not joining them for a celebratory drink that night and asked him on his way off, "You'll come for a drink tonight won't you Kerry?"

It's not like the drinking culture of the Australian cricket side of the era was a secret either.

Not sure what your saying Richie Benaud would not have given the ok for?
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Well i have to on good authority not one of our cricketers back in Doug Walters days ever sent a dick pic over their phone LOL
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I read somewhere that one of the players in Chappelis team spent a drunken night in bed with a trannie and when he woke up the next morning and realised he beat her up savagely.

You heard that one? Probably common knowledge among cricket tragics, which I am not.
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That one doesn't pass the pub test Tlaz. Surely he would have found out well before he woke up LOL
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P.s - can you change your nic pls. For 2 reasons - i always get confused spelling it in a post & i have no idea what it means. 

Thanks & cheers 
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& pls don't think i am picking on you. Another member asked similar of me a while back.

I am thinking "Three Deep & Doing Nowhere" 
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Originally posted by oneonesit oneonesit wrote:

P.s - can you change your nic pls. For 2 reasons - i always get confused spelling it in a post & i have no idea what it means. 

Thanks & cheers 

I have asked repeatedly to change my name to Mr Integrity.

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Already taken i think Tlazz. One of Whales 120 nic's apparently
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PAINE: Brilliantly bad??

Morning of November 23]

WOMAN: I will think naughty thoughts about you whilst we watch the TV.

PAINE: I'm cracking! Ha ha. Naughty thoughts like what? I'm about to give something firm a pull…

WOMAN: Ha, sorry I'm getting ready for work … it's a big day for us kids.

PAINE: Will you want to taste my ***?? F*** me, I'm seriously hard.

WOMAN: I thought we were resting hands.

PAINE: Can't rest them when I'm this hard!! Need to ease the tension … Finish me off with those lips then ;)

[Paine then sends a photo of his penis]

PAINE: Finish me off right now!!!


That's the whole thing. Nothing more. Nothing before, nothing after. Big deal.Sleepy

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You know that it isn't a big deal because there are no Tim Paine's Dick twitter accounts started.
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Originally posted by Afros Afros wrote:

Carioca, that story about Doug Walters and Gus Gilmour is on the public record in a book by Kerry O'Keefe, in which he suggests, tongue in cheek I'm sure, that Doug ran him out the next day for not joining them for a celebratory drink that night and asked him on his way off, "You'll come for a drink tonight won't you Kerry?"

It's not like the drinking culture of the Australian cricket side of the era was a secret either.

Not sure what your saying Richie Benaud would not have given the ok for?
Afros , I knew about that incident when you were running around in your dad's glad bag , it's nothing new , but I'll enlighten you about Ritchie , a man of integrity and honesty who wouldn't stand for one moment a man with sandpaper in his kick or getting drunk during a test match , you talk about professionalism in today's game with 6 ball overs and hitting the rope is 4 LOL Boone holding the drinking record on a plane trip home , Ponting drunk and gets snotted in a bar , many more on the Chappells watch but not on Ritchie's , as for Davo in that famous test match /60 , took 11 wickets , caught 1 , batting, 44 and 80 , both hall of famers , buy Ian Heads book on Ritchie you may learn what professionalism is all about , cheers .
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Tim Paine fallout: Cricket Australia accused of ‘double standards’ by former chairman David Peever

Normally reclusive, a former chairman has savaged Cricket Australia’s handling of the Tim Paine sexting scandal, claiming the former captain deserves so much more.

Former Cricket Australia chairman David Peever has broken a three-year silence to lambast the current board for abandoning Tim Paine.

The normally reclusive Peever, who has not spoken publicly since he stepped down as chairman in late 2018, accused Cricket Australia of disloyalty to Paine, “double standards” and for making “knee jerk” decisions in now trying to claim the moral high ground on the sexting scandal.

Current chairman Richard Freudenstein has claimed his administration would have sacked Paine had it been in charge when the issue was investigated and cleared by the game’s integrity unit back in 2018, painting a picture that Paine may have been stripped of the captaincy had he not resigned on Friday.

Peever said he was disappointed to see a current chairman publicly criticising decisions of a previous board, members of whom — John Harnden and Michelle Tredenick — are still on the current board and were part of the 2018 decision.

The former chairman also expressed his disappointment at the way Paine had been treated by Cricket Australia.

“Tim has been an incredible servant of the game and took over the leadership of the national team in the most difficult of circumstances. He has led with distinction for more than three years,” Peever told News Corp in an exclusive statement.

“He deserves Cricket Australia’s loyalty and not to be abandoned at this time.

“The event in question occurred four years ago and before Tim was appointed Australian captain.

“By his own admission Tim has regretted those actions at that time.

“But after investigation he was found not to have breached Cricket Australia’s code of conduct or any other rules, and the matter considered private and consensual between two adults.

“Why have a code of conduct if you are going to make up your own rules as you go?”

Freudenstein said at a press conference on Saturday that upon joining the CA board in mid-2019, he had “a very brief conversation” where he was informed of the Paine incident and the fact he had been cleared by a full integrity unit investigation.

Peever has taken aim at Freudenstein for laying blame on the previous administration for not taking action against Paine, questioning why in that case the current administration had not taken the issue up itself over the past two years before it became public.

“Cricket Australia’s decision seems knee jerk and unfortunately shows double standards. The issue has been doing the rounds in cricket circles for some years now,” Peever said.

“The current chairman has been on the board for two years and it is implausible he didn’t know about it.

“If he and his board felt so strongly about it, why wait until now to act?”

Freudenstein said he wouldn‘t deal in the “hypothetical” of whether the board would have sacked Paine had he not resigned — only to say the current administration would have removed him as skipper if in charge at the time the 2018 investigation was conducted.

“I can‘t talk about the 2018 decision, I wasn’t there. But I am saying based on the facts as they are today the board of Cricket Australia would not have made that decision,” Freudenstein said.

“I acknowledge the decision clearly sent the wrong message that this behaviour is acceptable and without serious consequences.

“The captain of the Australian cricket team has to be held to a very high standard, which is why it is absolutely appropriate that Tim has resigned.”

News Corp understands that Cricket Australia lawyer Christine Harman was called into brief the CA board in the second half of 2018 on the findings of the integrity unit, which had found Paine had not broken any code of conduct rules in his sexting exchange.

Although members of the board were uncomfortable about what they were being told about Paine’s behaviour, the decision to clear him and take no action against him was unanimous.

As part of the context surrounding the decision, the board members accepted an explanation that ‘sexting’ had become prevalent in modern society and did not in itself constitute deviant behaviour.

Although a moral question for Paine as a married man, the board was convinced of the investigation’s findings that the sexting exchange was consensual between two adults and did not constitute harassment.

Paine’s wife Bonnie told News Corp that she had forgiven her husband when he confessed to her in 2018, the time when the incident was being investigated by Cricket Australia.

“I have a bit of sympathy for Tim at the moment,” Bonnie Paine said.

“A lot actually. He and I went through all of this privately in 2018.

“I have had my time of getting angry, and venting and to get upset and we fought and we talked and then we both decided to move on with life, and do it together. I feel a bit frustrated that it’s all been brought up and aired in the public when we’d put it to bed years ago.

“I have moved forward since then. I feel like there is a lot of injustice for it being dragged out again.”

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So why resign?

It is rumoured the picture/s in question are about to be released. Unless Paine shared them with anyone else the only other person with them is the woman involved or someone she shared them with. Maybe this will turn into an extortion story?
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