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    Posted: 09 May 2021 at 7:58pm
I always loved the old Duke of Norfolk Stks, and with a few tweaks the now Andrew Ramsden Stks has become a highly anticipated race.

Since becoming a ballot free race for the Melb Cup, the event has yielded Steel Prince (2019) & Oceanex (2020), who both performed admirably in the Melb Cup finishing 9th & 11th respectively.

Noms are out tomorrow, but who do we think are the main contenders for the ‘golden ticket’ into the 2021 Cup?

We should get Persan & Mohican Heights coming out of the William Newton Hcp.  

From the Warrnambool Cup, probably Moonlight Maid, Heart of Puissance, South Pacific & maybe Constantinople.

Realm of Flowers has been kept in work specifically for the event.

Danny O’Brien might have Wyclif running after his Port Adelaide Cup win a few weeks ago

And subject to stewards, we may see the controversial Nickajack Cave.

Any chance of Carif coming south for this after his good Gosford Cup run yesterday?

Anyways, it should be another exciting edition.  Look forward to seeing entries tomorrow & final field on Weds.
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Persan Performed below market expectations. Apprentice Matthew Cartwright could offer no explanation for the performance. A post?race veterinary examination failed to reveal any abnormalities. Stewards will follow up with the stable.
Does anyone know how/wher to find follow up results or do we just assume once we see them entered? Confused
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Plenty of horses perform below expectations.  Maybe the jump from 2000 to 2600m was a factor amongst any number of other possibilities.  However prior has been honest as since his first start so see no reason why stewards need to further follow up with the stable other than review post-race bloods and the like.  

Certainly the jock gave him every chance so no issue there.

"The proof of the pudding will be in the eating" as it's said, which in this case will presumably be in the Ramsden.  Of course if he goes great there'll be questions, as indeed there'll be if he goes ordinary.
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Maher also sending Grand Promenade to this race
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St Leger winner Through Irish Eyes also will be nominated.
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Originally posted by Shawy38 Shawy38 wrote:

St Leger winner Through Irish Eyes also will be nominated.
Thanks Shawy, how could I forget the St Leger winner!  Been following him since his MV run in Feb & been on him most starts since.

Ciaron certainly has a strong hand in this race with Persan, Grand Promenade & Through Irish Eyes.  Maybe even South Pacific, who got polaxed at a crucial stage at Warrnambool Cup but still ran in ok for 4th.
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Wonder if Runaway Train might be an entry ?

Might be too soon for her but she is a promising stayer. 
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Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

Wonder if Runaway Train might be an entry ?

Might be too soon for her but she is a promising stayer. 
Given she just broke her maiden, way too soon for a Ramsden tilt.

But Clayton & Jamie have her entered for a 2050m race at Mornington on Tuesday.
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8 - The Andrew Ramsden (2800 METRES)Times displayed in local time of Race Meeting
Of $400,000.1st $240,000, 2nd $72,000, 3rd $36,000, 4th $18,000, 5th $10,000, 6th $8,000, 7th $8,000, 8th $8,000
Prize money contribution totalling 3% will be directed to jockey and equine welfare prior to distribution LISTED
Standard Weight for Age, Three-Years-Old, Four-Years-Old and Five-Years-Old, Apprentices cannot claim.

Track Name: Main Track Type: Turf  Track Condition: Good 4 

Field Limit: 18 + 4 EM

 Last 10HorseSexAgeTrainerHcp Rating
10x90x0x055CONSTANTINOPLE (IRE)G5Tom Dabernig & Ben Hayes94
215113211EXPLOSIVE JACK (NZ)C3Ciaron Maher & David Eustace107
35527274318EXPRESS RAIDERM5Nicholas Roe65
40383x00x05FEEL THE RUSH (NZ)M4Ciaron Maher & David Eustace76
514x844x221GRAND PROMENADE (GB)G5Ciaron Maher & David Eustace85
6x40x362152HEART OF PUISSANCEH4Ciaron Maher & David Eustace82
72x611x330KILLOURNEY (IRE)G5Paul Preusker72
8410x212x47LION’S SHAREM4Steven Pateman65
94363711340LLANACORD (NZ)F3Stephen Nickalls81
106107x87833MIAMI BOUND (NZ)M4Danny O'Brien105
1130x0x86112MOHICAN HEIGHTS (IRE)G4Chris Waller91
126525x89743MOONLIGHT MAIDM4Mitchell Freedman82
1334612x9x77NEVER LISTENM4Peter G Moody80
14121215x124PERSANH4Ciaron Maher & David Eustace105
1558862x6225REALM OF FLOWERSM4Anthony & Sam Freedman95
162252x82302SALTO ANGEL (NZ)F3Danny O'Brien75
174229x21741SIGN SEAL DELIVERG4Matt Cumani73
186x9360x654SOUTH PACIFIC (GB)G5Ciaron Maher & David Eustace89
19633121THROUGH IRISH EYES (NZ)G3Ciaron Maher & David Eustace77
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Only 7 nominations from the Maher/Eustace camp.
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Explosive Jack an interesting nomination. 
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Trainer has confirmed that Nickajack Cave won’t line up in Saturday’s Andrew Ramsden Pete has decided to spell for a Spring campaign after last weeks Cranbourne trial.
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Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

Wonder if Runaway Train might be an entry ?

Might be too soon for her but she is a promising stayer. 
Runaway Train won again at Mornington today.

Hope you were aboard today Djebel.  Thanks for putting her on the radar. Star
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WHAT AN EMBARRASSING FIELD THIS IS


f $400,000.1st $240,000, 2nd $72,000, 3rd $36,000, 4th $18,000, 5th $10,000, 6th $8,000, 7th $8,000, 8th $8,000
Prize money contribution totalling 3% will be directed to jockey and equine welfare prior to distribution LISTED
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NoLast 10HorseTrainerJockeyBarrierWeightPenaltyHcp Rating
10x90x0x055CONSTANTINOPLE (IRE)Tom Dabernig & Ben HayesDean Holland858.5kg94
214x844x221GRAND PROMENADE (GB)Ciaron Maher & David EustaceHarry Coffey158.5kg85
3121215x124PERSANCiaron Maher & David EustaceMichael Dee458kg105
430x0x86112MOHICAN HEIGHTS (IRE)Chris WallerMichael Walker958kg91
56107x87833MIAMI BOUND (NZ)Danny O'BrienBen Allen1056kg105
658862x6225REALM OF FLOWERSAnthony & Sam FreedmanMark Zahra656kg95
734612x9x77NEVER LISTENPeter G MoodyLuke Nolen256kg80
8410x212x47LION’S SHARESteven PatemanWill Price (a)756kg65
9633121THROUGH IRISH EYES (NZ)Ciaron Maher & David EustaceMichael Poy354kg77
102252x82302SALTO ANGEL (NZ)Danny O'BrienDamien Thornton552kg75
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Why are you surprised???

Edited by Gay3 - 12 May 2021 at 10:26pm
Australian racing is only good up to 1400m in terms of world standards when it comes to depth/quality in numbers
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Why is it an embarrassing field ?
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This is a listed race granted with a fantastic end prize up for grabs and the field could be better however it is still a lovely little race over a proper racing distance.

It has a Gordon Stakes and Great Voltigeur runner up both superb British group 2s.

It has a Melbourne Cup 5th placegetter.

It has an Oaks winner.

It has a VRC St Leger winner.

It has an Oaks and St Leger runner up.

IN fact it has 2 Oaks runners up.

It has 3 very promising older stayers going through their grades.

And it has Realm Of Flowers.

There is nothing embarrassing about this field.



 
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By world racing standards - the field is poor.  Stop thinking local and start thinking global.

Edited by Gay3 - 12 May 2021 at 10:27pm
Australian racing is only good up to 1400m in terms of world standards when it comes to depth/quality in numbers
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Would have thought it's just about what you'd expect for a race like this half-way through May.  
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trainers whinge they can't get locals into the cup anymore, well why aren't they running in this race?
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Who is missing ?

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The 2020 edition was hardly stellar.

Believe you'd get a better field were it run a fortnight or so before the Sydney Cup.
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It is perfectly placed and does it's job where it is.

The Sydney Cup winner is probably the only horse who is not in it that should really be in the race.

Selino won the Sydney Cup but has probably not done enough to be assured of a Melbourne Cup start. He could have done that here.

That said Waller having been an "independent" looking into the imports protocols probably did his job making it very hard for the fly in fly outs to come down here.

As such Selino with 105 as a rising 6yo might just scrape in.
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Originally posted by Jamal Jamal wrote:


By world racing standards - the field is poor.  Stop thinking local and start thinking global.

I'll ask you specifically clever dick.

Who is missing from this race ?
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Originally posted by Second Chance Second Chance wrote:

The 2020 edition was hardly stellar.  Believe you'd get a better field were it run a fortnight or so before the Sydney Cup.  

Believe at least five and maybe six of the Sydney Cup starters would've started in the Ramsden had it been run as suggested above.  Though that's only opinion.
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If Nickajack Cave had been fit to line up here he should have given this field a spanking!

What a debacle.
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His 10th of 12 in the Tancred was certainly an eye catcher Mikey.   
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Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

Originally posted by Jamal Jamal wrote:


By world racing standards - the field is poor.  Stop thinking local and start thinking global.

I'll ask you specifically clever dick.

Who is missing from this race ?



Still continuing to think local as usual. 
Australian racing is only good up to 1400m in terms of world standards when it comes to depth/quality in numbers
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Any chance of answering the question Jamal?

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Dont think we need to be thinking 'global' about a Listed race in mid May Jamal. Not a bad field really (Persan,Miami Bound, Realm of Flowers, Through Irish Eyes.)  Small field size is slightly disappointing but then again its double the size of the feature Yorkshire Cup field this week.

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