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    Posted: 13 Oct 2018 at 4:55pm
Caulfield Cup?
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That horse should be re-handicapped as if he had won the race by 4 or 5 lengths.


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McDonald should get in stride for pulling it up.
But knowing Lloyd he probably will go straight to Flemington
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Strife - should get a fine.
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Was just thinking that. Fair way down the order of so did McDonald err by easing up too much? Pretty sure they’d like to go straight into the Cup.
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Super impressive. How good are the other unseen euros though. They could be lengths better still. Euro staying form is spectacular based on what we are seeing. What would Enable or Poets Word do?
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Wow. What a horse.
Sunline...simply supreme
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They are certainly having a good time of it based on what we've seen.  How on earth do they sometimes loose when you see a race like that.
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What penalty will he get for the Melbourne Cup?

Surely he gets a penalty. I know he was pulled up with 100m to go but at one stage he was 4-5 lengths in front.

At least a 2kg penalty for the Melbourne Cup? Has 52kg in both Cups..winner of Herbert Power cant get a penalty for Caulfield Cup as the Herbert Power is a penalty free race in terms of the Caulfield Cup but the Herbert Power winner can get a penalty for the Melbourne Cup at the discretion of the handicapper.
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I've seen most of his career starts in Ireland & England & that run today was a massive improvement.

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T J Comerford for O'Brien, gave him as their best for the day, saying how much he'd improved this week.
Experience is something you gain a few minutes after you could have used it!
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Was one of the best Herbert Power wins that I have seen in a long time
It's always good when a WA horse does well in the Eastern States or abroad.
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Originally posted by Grey Affair Grey Affair wrote:

I've seen most of his career starts in Ireland & England & that run today was a massive improvement.


No. He's way down in class.
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The remarkable thing is that Yucatan drew the most outside gate and was never better than 3 and 4 wide until McDonald took him to the front on the home turn

The time of 2.26½ underlined the quality of the performance.  My watch timed the 200 -100m in 5.66 and the 100m to the post in 6.60.  He was on course record pace at the 100m before McDonald applied the brakes.

I don't understand it.  I really don't see anything in the horse's form that suggests he is capable of that performance.
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Their training is so far superior it is mindboggling.




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That easing down was dangerous, could have been disaster if second horse had smashed into back of him. McDonald is a lair
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Form around Rekindling in the Ireland looks pretty good
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The last horse to do the Herbert Power Stakes Meelbourne Cup double was Rogan Josh in 1999, he produced a rating of 113 according to Timeform.

You'd think Yucatan is a major player for the Melbourne Cup (and Caulfield Cup if they run next week) based off that win and he would have a good rating after the Herbert Power win.
It's always good when a WA horse does well in the Eastern States or abroad.
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Windmill cancer survivor.
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Surely we are smart enough as a general rule to be able to decipher which horse is which ?






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There is a long list of horses coming from the shaky isles that have had to have My or Our added to them that suggests it is a real thing.
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For the sake of continuity GELDINGS should be made to add the extra MY or OUR.

Dundeel is a case in point. 




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For the sake of logic.. the horse coming from overseas should change their name. Any other way makes literally no sense.
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Whatever his name ends up being, I hope he wins the Cup!
Sunline...simply supreme
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Huge trial yesterday ..        Best lead up so far.    
Had Melb Cup written all over it ..     YUCATAN
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I hope he doesn’t win the cup, just for the fact that he isn’t owned by Williams.
Can’t stand that family
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Originally posted by Shawy38 Shawy38 wrote:

I hope he doesn’t win the cup, just for the fact that he is owned by Williams.
Can’t stand that family


Stupid autocorrect
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Originally posted by Shawy38 Shawy38 wrote:

Originally posted by Shawy38 Shawy38 wrote:

I hope he doesn’t win the cup, just for the fact that he is owned by Williams.
Can’t stand that family


Stupid autocorrect

I knew what you meant and I agree.
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From Dominic Bernie on Twitter:


IWS honour roll Herbert Power winners past 25 years:
YUCATAN & ALCOPOP
AMRALAH
LEICA FALCON
MASTER O’REILLY
ROGAN JOSH
RIZON


First of all...IWS means Intelligent Wagerig Soloutuons and he runs this. Secondly..what is this lis in relation too...is it based on ratings? And where can I find these ratings for theselist of horses?

Also as this list shows...if a Herbert Power winner is to do well in the Cups then they need to rate highly after winnin the Herbert Power...you need to be a good Herbert Power winner..not an average one.
It's always good when a WA horse does well in the Eastern States or abroad.
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Originally posted by Jamal Jamal wrote:

From Dominic Bernie on Twitter:


IWS honour roll Herbert Power winners past 25 years:
YUCATAN & ALCOPOP
AMRALAH
LEICA FALCON
MASTER O’REILLY
ROGAN JOSH
RIZON


First of all...IWS means Intelligent Wagerig Soloutuons and he runs this. Secondly..what is this lis in relation too...is it based on ratings? And where can I find these ratings for theselist of horses?

Also as this list shows...if a Herbert Power winner is to do well in the Cups then they need to rate highly after winnin the Herbert Power...you need to be a good Herbert Power winner..not an average one.



To clarify Dominic Bernie said:

' It’s the rank order of the best Herbert Power Handicaps, by rating of the race......not simply the rating of the winners"
It's always good when a WA horse does well in the Eastern States or abroad.
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