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Tlazolteotl 
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 Topic: Yes Yes Yes MaybePosted: 27 Oct 2019 at 11:35am |
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Is he really worth $50 million? How much would his first season fee need to be to justify that valuation?
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kavg
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Posted: 27 Oct 2019 at 12:02pm |
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His 1st season fee will be 5 times more than what it should be. No stallion that is unproven as a racehorse beyond early 3yo is worth $50 million but this is the crap we have been handfed over the last so many years.
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Glencoe
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Posted: 27 Oct 2019 at 11:33pm |
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About $75K + Sheer hypocrisy & lunacy. Does nothing to improve the breed
But why worry? This industry is all about money & is so short-termism these days. The people who spruik young under-proven colts with excessive fees would not understand that the very brittle animal that we produce in Australia currently, is one of the major reasons for the fore-boding financials problems that Brendan Cormack so accurately highlighted in his article in the W/end Australian
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Brudder_A
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Posted: 28 Oct 2019 at 12:15am |
Can someone send a link or paste this article?
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Banjo
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Posted: 28 Oct 2019 at 2:25pm |
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Why should his service fee be worth more than Rubick’s. Rubick is now a proven sire, Yes Yes Yes may not become one, like many other top performing horses
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djebel
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Posted: 03 Feb 2020 at 9:07am |
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Retired.
Hopefully somebody can post Wallers retirement spiel. Australia overstates the seriousness and recovery length of these injuries. |
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kavg
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Posted: 03 Feb 2020 at 9:09am |
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And here is the type of stallion that will dilute the breed probably more than his sire because he'll probably get a lot more mares.
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Posted: 03 Feb 2020 at 11:24am |
I doubt he'll get a lot more than Rubick who is averaging over 200 mares per season for his stud career to date. He'll be doing well to get as many given the crazy fee they'll have on him.
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kavg
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Posted: 03 Feb 2020 at 2:04pm |
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So Rubick is already diluting the breed.
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kavg
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Posted: 03 Feb 2020 at 2:30pm |
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And it astounds me how Rubick who was flat out going past 1000m could be so well supported in terms of numbers. Pedigree is not overly shabby but Coolmore obviously spun him correctly marketing wise and his 2 stakeswinners so far which would be a very small percentage have somehow kept people going. Not sure how his sales figures are but if people don't get their fingers burnt then at the very least the breed will be diluted.
Not doubting you VSP as I've just got back home and looked at his mare figures (262 and 263 in last 2 seasons!!!!!) but I can see Yes Yes Yes will be marketed in the same way and the same people will send their mares to YYY.
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Hazyview
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Posted: 03 Feb 2020 at 5:15pm |
No they don't - much harder to recover a tendon injury with our flat training tracks than on the gradients of Europe and also much harder to recover for sprinters than stayers simply due to the speed they run at. It's 50/50 at best over here.
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djebel
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Posted: 03 Feb 2020 at 5:21pm |
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Posted: 03 Feb 2020 at 5:41pm |
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Only needs to be a three month recovery to pull the pin on his career.
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Once they do a tendon, I don’t think they are ever as good after their resurrection? Might and Power comes to mind. Suppose it depends on how severe the tear was.
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acacia alba
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Posted: 03 Feb 2020 at 11:45pm |
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I agree Sister Dot. M and P was a stand out example of it. What about Better Loosen Up ? Same sort of injury ??
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Posted: 04 Feb 2020 at 7:45am |
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All the details including Chris Waller's comments
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Posted: 05 Feb 2020 at 9:01am |
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As far as I am aware not one of the Top 10 Sires was retired due to injury. Which local (not USA) sires have succeeded here after an injury forced retirement? Would an unsound stallion be allowed to stand in Germany?
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Posted: 05 Feb 2020 at 2:14pm |
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Encosta was heavily managed throughout his racing career. Pretty sure he went out below 100% fit - though not necessarily unsound.
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acacia alba
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Posted: 05 Feb 2020 at 8:42pm |
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I cant even recall Encosta in his race days  Not like his name was up there in lights . Djebel, post a race record for him ??? What did he win ??? |
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Posted: 05 Feb 2020 at 9:27pm |
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Won the Rupert Clarke (then called Vic Health Cup), the Ascot Vale and the Bill Stutt, 3rd in the Caulfield Guineas. 8 starts for 3 wins and 3 thirds
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acacia alba
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Posted: 05 Feb 2020 at 9:33pm |
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Thanks Horlicks.  Then went to Blue Gum for $8 thousand first season ? Oh if only,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, |
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Posted: 05 Feb 2020 at 9:39pm |
I believe German Derby winner Sea The Moon had to leave the country to stand at stud. Interestingly it does not stop him dominating the stallion ranks in Germany 😐 |
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Posted: 06 Feb 2020 at 7:17am |
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Street Cry was retired due to unsoundness..maybe he would have been better racing on turf..we'll never know.
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Posted: 06 Feb 2020 at 11:57am |
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Just a slight off track , but friend just returned from Canada and visited a TB farm there, in the Rockies, and would you believe it, they had a young horse there by Vancouver !!!
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kavg
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Posted: 06 Feb 2020 at 12:35pm |
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I don't know about the truth in that taxidriver.
Street Cry raced through his 4yo season and raced at the very top level and with great distinction, albeit on dirt, in all 3 seasons he raced. He was retired due to inflammation in his right ankle. Whether that was from an injury or unsoundness one can never be sure. A blurb on Bloodhorse when he was retired from racing does call it an injury for what that is worth.
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