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acacia alba
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There is always going to be knockers, no matter what a horse does. Always looking for a reason not to just sit back and enjoy it while it lasts. They must have a sad life .
But, of course, if they owned a horse like Winx they would be the first to spruke her as a world champ . |
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animals before people.
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3blindmice
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He only met 22 individual horses in his OS G1 wins.
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3blindmice
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Naughty naughty. That's NOT the measure
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3blindmice
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CP1
I think every one of his opponents had won a G1 prior to this race.
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djebel
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He beat 7 more newcomers in his first start back the following spring. 26 from 7 starts. 6 more at following start, 32 from 8 starts. 2 more at following start, 34 from 9 4 more in his second Plate, 38 from 10 5 more next start, 43 from 11. 9 more when he ran 3rd in the Cup, 52 from `12 2 more at his 3rd run in Europe, 54 from 15 3 more at his 4th run in Europe, 57 from 16 3 more at his next, 60 from 17 10 more when 4th in the Arc, 70 from 18. 4 more at his next run, 74 from 19. at least 2 more in his Breeders Cup Classic 6th, 76 from 20 starts. 5 more at Meydan, 81 from 21. 2 more at his final start. I have him beating 83 individual group 1 winners throughout his career. |
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reductio ad absurdum
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djebel
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That is clearly the measure Coolmore are using and there can be no denying, he did beat them. |
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reductio ad absurdum
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Jamal
Champion Joined: 25 Jul 2011 Status: Offline Points: 8650 |
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Ok so what is the final figurem..
How many individual Group 1 winners did So You Think beat in his career. |
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Australian racing is only good up to 1400m in terms of world standards when it comes to depth/quality in numbers
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3blindmice
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Not at all. At some stage even strugglers will have beaten a few G1 winners home.
The measure is defeating individual G1 winners while winning the G1 himself. The only question is were they G1 winners when he beat them? He racked up 12 (I think) in his very first G1 here so it's possible.
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djebel
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I put him down for actually beating home 83 individual group 1 winners. |
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reductio ad absurdum
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djebel
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Just in case there is any conjecture, I am not saying So You Think is better or worse than Winx, it was wonderful to see him thoroughly tested in so many differing conditions.
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reductio ad absurdum
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Jamal
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Dejebel how did you get 83? Did he beat 83 individual Group 1 winners whilst winning the races at the same time or did he for example place in a race and a Group 1 winner finish behind him. How have you done the interpretation?
I ask because Winx has beaten between 53 and 56 individual Group 1 winners...So You Think's figure seems quite high especialy how many consider Winx to be better then So You Think and also Winx has had more starts (more starts to beat more G1 winners) |
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Australian racing is only good up to 1400m in terms of world standards when it comes to depth/quality in numbers
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Carioca
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Like to see some splits from her today , last 600 and 400 most interesting, she is so deceptive in flight and we are very lucky to have seen something a little out of the ordinary.
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horlicks
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Last 600 34.81
200 splits 600 to 400 11.68 400 to 200 11.23 200 to fin. 11.91 |
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djebel
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I included any group 1 winner who finished behind him no matter where he finished. It is a little more difficult for Winx to rack up the individual beating because there is a finite number she can beat. When she runs in and wins the George Ryder it is highly unlikely she will be beating any new group 1 winners. As with today she beat no new group 1 winners. |
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reductio ad absurdum
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Jamal
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I wonder where Coolmore got the figure of 75 from? |
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djebel
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It does say "more than 75"
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reductio ad absurdum
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Prince of Penzance
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Both wrong. It’s 52 |
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3blindmice
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List them so we can see. For both horses.
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Carioca
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Thank you Horlick, much appreciated. |
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Jamal
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Yep agree..can anyone do this request. It will be interesting to see. |
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scamanda
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Winx has beaten. EARTHQUAKE HAURAKI HAMPTON COURT FAMOUS SEAMUS (NZ) LUCIA VALENTEARTHQUAKE INA (NZ) CRITERION (NZ) HIGHLAND REEL (IRE) PORNICHET (FR) HARTNELL (GB) FAWKNER GAILO CHOP (FR) PREFERMENT (NZ) HAPPY TRAILS MOURINHO KERMADEC (NZ) COMPLACENT MAGIC HURRICANE (IRE) WHO SHOT THEBARMAN (NZ) GUST OF WIND (NZ) GRAND MARSHAL (GB) MONGOLIAN KHAN PRESS STATEMENT FIRST SEAL HAPPY CLAPPER TURN ME LOOSE (NZ) HUCKLEBUCK AZKADELLIA (NZ) STRATUM STAR REBEL DANE IT'S SOMEWHAT (USA) BLACK HEART BART YANKEE ROSE VADAMOS (FR) AWESOME ROCK LASQUETI SPIRIT LE ROMAIN CHAUTAUQUA SENSE OF OCCASION THE UNITED STATES (IRE) FOXPLAY INFERENCE VENTURA STORM (IRE) HUMIDOR (NZ) PRIZED ICON Add to that if you need to.
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I started with nothing and still have most of it left
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scamanda
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Seeing you were the one to mention it Jamal, maybe you can list the individual Grp 1 winners that SYT beat.
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I started with nothing and still have most of it left
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Straight Connector
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Heaven's Above.
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scamanda
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I started with nothing and still have most of it left
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Jamal
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My internet is slow...can anyone assist with the list for SYT
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djebel
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I'll do it tomorrow IF Mitch Marsh gets 100 off less than 50 balls.
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reductio ad absurdum
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Jamal
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Sounds like a no to me |
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djebel
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He still has 40 balls to get the runs.
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reductio ad absurdum
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Jamal
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Its 53......Pounamou is a Group 1 winner. |
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Prince of Penzance
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Pounamu was counted. It’s 52
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