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Williams - The Liam Howley Era |
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Magnolian Khan
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It’s a joke that Lloyd isn’t licensed
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Carioca
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The whole joints a joke, fancy being able to give the horse a touch up in the swabbing box for 7years and go unnoticed , should be the first place to put CCTV if only for integrity purposes, they dropped their guard and its left a nasty taste imo.
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acacia alba
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and arrogant too
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animals before people.
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Straight arrow
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Is it arrogance? Or just doing what he can do? And not breaking any laws? I think he is in a position we're he can do it his way and he enjoys it. I don't find him arrogant! I find him reasonably straight up and he can afford to be!! Is he breaking any laws by employing his own horse trainer? But having a say in how he wants it done?? If it was an animal welfare problem? Then that's a different story. His horses perform better then most stable. I know he pays for the upper end of market. But so do many syndicates. But they do not have as good a strike rate per runner as Williams. I do believe he cuts the ones that don't measure up to his standards. But is that so wrong? You can buy them if you like??
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Carioca
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We all can have an opinion Straight arrow, it's just how we perceive things, like the bloke who dropped a card on the floor while playing strip jack , " gee things look different down here".
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Straight arrow
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He's not playing that game! He is buying race horses and racing them! He is paying his own trainer and he calls the shots on we're and when they race and who rides. He employs his own staff he trusts! And yes if there was a drug formality? The trainer would have to answer that. They are the rules and he is playing by them
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Shrunk in the Wash
Champion Joined: 25 Mar 2016 Status: Offline Points: 9890 |
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Actually I’m not different to Lloyd
I would always tell our trainer where we wanted our horses to race. Usually at places like Mudgee so we could all get away for a weekend of drink, fine food and good company...and an excuse to get the wives to track and maybe interested in buying another one |
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djebel
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What is this about ? |
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reductio ad absurdum
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Xavier
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Aquanita |
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Karl and Susan Kennedy are my heroes
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Carioca
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Aw...ya woke him up Xavier lol, that bloody Racing Post consumes him. |
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djebel
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Sorry, I was scratching my nhead as to what Williams had done.... |
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reductio ad absurdum
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Carioca
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Well I'm glad you took my last post the right way as it was in jest fwiw.
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breeding_above_all
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Midterm been backed from 8.50 to 4.6.. big go..
Highly rated from the yard |
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Xavier
Champion Joined: 28 Jul 2016 Location: Melbourne Status: Offline Points: 3660 |
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Couple of interesting runners at Bendigo on We
DIALECTIC (IRE) 7yo Bay Gelding D.O.B: 21-Mar-2012 by MONSUN (GER) from WANDERING SPIRIT (GER) 5x Pedigree Report Last seen winning a maiden in France 4 years ago! The other is SIRKOS (GER) 6yo Bay Gelding D.O.B: 15-Mar-2013 by MONSUN (GER) from SERVENYA (GER) 5x Pedigree Report 2 wins from only 4 starts. Last raced Sept 2016 Both go around in the same 1600m race on Wed. Will be following them both. |
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Karl and Susan Kennedy are my heroes
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Xavier
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06-03-2019 Bendigo R6 - No.12 Dialectic - Brett Prebble - Stable advised had a tendon injury since last start.
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Karl and Susan Kennedy are my heroes
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kavg
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I wonder if they were both colts when purchased. One for Djebel to look at!
Both very well bred. Dialectic's grand dam was a stakeswinner and is a sister to a few stakeswinners. But the injury would cast some doubt over him. Sirkos comes from a very strong european female tail family including Sagace,Stacelita, Slip Anchor and Japanese runners-Buena Vista and Manhattan Cafe Further back it is the family of Zabeel,Denises Joy,Carnegie,Makfi,Green Dancer,Authorized,Sulamani etc. The last couple of generations though are a little disappointing. Both look like real staying types pedigree wise and from their form so hard to see them challenging on wednesday but I'd be looking closely at Sirkos in particular with regard to the spring.
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Prejudice is an emotional attachment to ignorance.
DiEM25 for the world. |
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Afros
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Latin Beat racing today at Bendigo in the 2200m race, should win one would think.
Belgravia, Sirkos and Dialectic all in the 1600m race immediately after, as was posted Xavier it'll be interesting how they go after their long lay offs. |
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crooked_gambler
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Exemplar parades very well after the long spell.
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Xavier
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Update from the stable:
Almandin - subject to vet clearance will next race in the Ranvet 2000m Taj Mahal - next run in the Manion Cup 2400m Rekindling - still not quiet right. Will be given another week before decision is made on his future. |
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Karl and Susan Kennedy are my heroes
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Afros
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Lloyd had 3 in the next at Flemington, Belgravia, Dialectic and Pour Vois, Sirkos also scratched from the same race.
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Xavier
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I like them all going forward but not today.
Pour Vous looks like an ideal 4500m hurdler |
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Karl and Susan Kennedy are my heroes
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Afros
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I don't understand why Lloyd has so many of these Europeans for so long and doesn't race them all that much granted some may be injured or take time to come up but what does he gain out of them sitting around doing not much?
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Xavier
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They must have a massive feed bill.
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Karl and Susan Kennedy are my heroes
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Jamal
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He probably doesn't rate Aussie bred stayers |
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Australian racing is only good up to 1400m in terms of world standards when it comes to depth/quality in numbers
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Afros
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Thanks captain obvious. That doesn't explain why he leaves them sitting around doing bugger all so often. |
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djebel
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I think his methods are starting to backfire. He has it in his head that they all benefit from missing the autumn and it is starting to bite him on the bum. |
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reductio ad absurdum
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Afros
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Sir Edward Landseer about to go around over a mile at Flemington, he has been heavily raced compared to the 3 stablemates other than Belgravia in the last race.
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Afros
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I wonder if he has some just purely so he can stage races at home? |
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Xavier
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Current Stable
Almandin (GER) Bass (JPN) Belgravia (IRE) Carlo Bugatti (IRE) Dialectic (IRE) Douglas Macarthur (IRE) Exemplar (IRE) Harrison (GB) Homesman (USA) Jeux (USA) Johannes Vermeer (IRE) Latin Beat (IRE) Libation (NZ) Linen Lygon (IRE) Midterm (GB) Orderofthegarter (IRE) Our Venice Beach (IRE) Pour Vous (IRE) Rekindling (GB) Sir Edwin Landseer (IRE) Sir Isaac Newton (GB) Sir John Lavery (IRE) Sirkos (GER) Somerset Maugham (IRE) Steps (IRE) The Taj Mahal (IRE) Thornton (NZ) US Army Ranger (IRE) Venezuela (IRE) Yucatan (IRE) |
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Karl and Susan Kennedy are my heroes
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Xavier
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Linen the only Aus bred and he is an unraced 7 year old.
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Karl and Susan Kennedy are my heroes
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