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He’s said numerous times Almandin isn’t a WFA or at least alluded to it.. Almandin is the stables premier horse because Nick and Lloyd have trained him for over a year now, whilst others are mostly Aidens progeny.. likes to keep him safe for Cup
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Most would probably agree in vintage years but you don't have to be a "WFA" horse in this country if you're a decent stayer. Arguably might have won the Australian Cup with a clear run, at a distance well short of his best.
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Group 1 win and I still haven’t seen him
Karl and Susan Kennedy are my heroes
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1st of 9 
BDGO 07Apr18
Harrison (GB) 
(Mt. Macedon)
BDGO 07Apr18 2400m Good4 HCP $120,000 Luke Currie 54kg Barrier 5 Rtg 89 
2nd Brimham Rocks (GB) 52kg, 3rd Gallic Chieftain (FR) 58kg 2:28.92, 1.25L
1st of 9 
RHIL 31Mar18
Almandin (GER) 
(Mt. Macedon)
RHIL 31Mar18 2400m Good4 TANCRED Group 1 $1,528,200 ($898,200) Kerrin McEvoy 59kg Barrier 9 Rtg 113 
2nd Ambitious (JPN) 59kg, 3rd Who Shot Thebarman (NZ) 59kg 2:30.11 (600m 36.16), 1.3L, 4th@800m, 2nd@400m, $2.90/$3
9th of 9 
CAUL 31Mar18
Steps (IRE) 
(Mt. Macedon)
CAUL 31Mar18 2000m Good3 EASTER CUP Group 3 $150,750 Andrew Mallyon 55kg Barrier 2 Rtg 97 
1st Shoreham 54kg, 2nd Odeon (NZ) 55.5kg 2:01.72 (600m 35.76), 11.5L, 3rd@800m, 3rd@400m, $6.50/$5.50/$6/$5.50
2nd of 11 
MORN 24Mar18
Harrison (GB) 
(Mt. Macedon)
MORN 24Mar18 2400m Soft5 MORN CUP Listed $300,000 ($54,000) Michael Dee 54kg Barrier 2 Rtg 86 
1st Kings Will Dream (IRE) 54kg, 3rd Fastnet Dragon 54kg 2:28.67 (600m 34.95), 5L, 1st@800m, 1st@400m, $9/$9
1st of 8 
SANH 21Mar18
Sherlock Holmes (IRE) 
(Mt. Macedon)
SANH 21Mar18 2400m Good3 BM78 $40,000 ($22,000) Ben Melham 58.5kg Barrier 1 Rtg 75 
2nd Corrs (NZ) 52kg, 3rd Divine Sanction 57kg 2:33.49 (600m 35.04), 0.75L, 3rd@800m, 3rd@400m, $2.50/$2.45/$2.60/$2.50
6th of 12 
FLEM 10Mar18
Homesman (USA) 
(Mt. Macedon)
FLEM 10Mar18 2000m Good3 AUST CUP Group 1 $1,505,000 ($30,000) Michael Dee 58.5kg Barrier 3 Rtg 105 
1st Harlem (GB) 59kg, 2nd Gailo Chop (FR) 59kg 2:00.46 (600m 34.78), 2.25L, 9th@800m, 5th@400m, $10/$17/$19/$21
6th of 9 
FLEM 10Mar18
Harrison (GB) 
(Mt. Macedon)
FLEM 10Mar18 1800m Good4 BM90 $100,000 ($2,000) Ben Melham 58kg Barrier 8 Rtg 86 
1st Kings Will Dream (IRE) 55.5kg, 2nd Riyadh (NZ) 56kg 1:48.59 (600m 33.88), 6.55L, 1st@800m, 1st@400m, $9/$8.50/$9
4th of 12 
FLEM 10Mar18
Almandin (GER) 
(Mt. Macedon)
FLEM 10Mar18 2000m Good3 AUST CUP Group 1 $1,505,000 ($67,500) Damien Oliver 59kg Barrier 11 Rtg 110 
1st Harlem (GB) 59kg, 2nd Gailo Chop (FR) 59kg 2:00.46 (600m 34.78), 1.45L, 10th@800m, 10th@400m, $5/$4.80/$4.60/$4.40
8th of 12 
FLEM 10Mar18
The Taj Mahal (IRE) 
(Mt. Macedon)
FLEM 10Mar18 2000m Good3 AUST CUP Group 1 $1,505,000 ($30,000) Ben Melham 58.5kg Barrier 7 Rtg 107 
1st Harlem (GB) 59kg, 2nd Gailo Chop (FR) 59kg 2:00.46 (600m 34.78), 2.85L, 1st@800m, 1st@400m, $8/$8.50/$9
1st of 6 
FLEM 03Mar18
Aloft (IRE) 
(Mt. Macedon)
FLEM 03Mar18 2600m Good4 ROY HIGGINS Q Listed $121,200 ($73,200) Ben Melham 56.5kg Barrier 5 Rtg 98 
2nd Fanatic (NZ) 55kg, 3rd Ormito (GER) 54kg 2:49.57 (600m 33.74), 1L, 3rd@800m, 1st@400m, $2.50/$3.50/$3.60/$3.50
1st of 9 
CAUL 24Feb18
Homesman (USA) 
(Mt. Macedon)
CAUL 24Feb18 2000m Good3 VIC CUP Listed $121,500 ($73,500) Ben Melham 56.5kg Barrier 8 Rtg 100 
2nd Almandin (GER) 60kg, 3rd Golden Mane 54kg 2:03.30 (600m 34.46), 0.1L, 2nd@800m, 1st@400m, $7/$7.50
2nd of 9 
CAUL 24Feb18
Almandin (GER) 
(Mt. Macedon)
CAUL 24Feb18 2000m Good3 VIC CUP Listed $121,500 ($21,600) Damien Oliver 60kg Barrier 2 Rtg 110 
1st Homesman (USA) 56.5kg, 3rd Golden Mane 54kg 2:03.30 (600m 34.46), 0.1L, 6th@800m, 3rd@400m, $4/$4.20/$4.40/$4.60


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Attributing G1 wins to him is just ridiculous imho makes a mockery of trainers who are actually in charge of their winners
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Originally posted by linghi11 linghi11 wrote:

Attributing G1 wins to him is just ridiculous imho makes a mockery of trainers who are actually in charge of their winners

Which trainers are they ?

How much say do you think Australian Bloodstock have in the placement of their horses ?

Like ALL trainers, Liam Howley does as he is told.




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Who is Liam Howley? I’ve never seen him or heard him speak on radio.
Does he even exist?
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Big smile

I wonder if Hickmott has signed a confidentiality agreement, Has he spoke of his experience at Mt Macedon ? 


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Fishing again djebel, ...even the drovers dog knows that's a gimme.
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Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

Big smile

I wonder if Hickmott has signed a confidentiality agreement, Has he spoke of his experience at Mt Macedon ? 

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I don't understand why Lloyd stirs up so much angst here yet Stan Johnstone in Qld doesn't worry anyone, tall poppy syndrome I guess.
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Originally posted by Afros Afros wrote:

I don't understand why Lloyd stirs up so much angst here yet Stan Johnstone in Qld doesn't worry anyone, tall poppy syndrome I guess.

Nobody much cares for Qld racing
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I’d say it’s reverse tall poppy- I would like the training genius behind the wins of iconic races like Melbourne Cup to be recognised as the trainer, not an interchangeable middle man.
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Interesting runner entered for Lloyd in the Irish Derby this weekend named Latrobe. Another 3yo NH horse trained by Joseph O'Brien for the Cup this year?
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Not if he wins on Sunday morning 😊


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Originally posted by Afros Afros wrote:

I don't understand why Lloyd stirs up so much angst here yet Stan Johnstone in Qld doesn't worry anyone, tall poppy syndrome I guess.
Because nobody even knows who Stan Johnstone is.
People just don't like bullgelati.
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The stable has an interesting entrant in the BM78 over 2400m at Sandown on Wednesday.

An Irish horse called STREETCAR TO STARS, a rising 8yo by Sea The Stars, who has a couple of black type placings back in Ireland in a 5 start career.

Lloyd imported him to Australia way back in October 2014.......so what on earth has the horse been doing for the past 4 years?
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No idea but he is only a 7yo
Doesn’t turn 8 Until April
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Fair chance he's had a number of races down here, just none officially   
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Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

Not if he wins on Sunday morning 😊
 
And win he did at 17/1. We wont be seeing Latrobe downunder any time soon unless he makes a stud visit.
 
 
It was a Coolmore boat race with the three up front pretty much keeping their positions throughout the running. Saxon Warrior had every chance trailing the first two with cover and in third place he remained.  SW simply doesn't stay 2400m IMO. Back to ten furlongs for him and a race like the Juddmonte at York.  
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Streetcar to Stars first up for nearly four years over 2400m on wed at sandown
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Originally posted by Prince of Penzance Prince of Penzance wrote:

Streetcar to Stars first up for nearly four years over 2400m on wed at sandown


Ran a super race
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Probably understandable to run out of condition late first up over 2400m for 203 weeks 
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RESIGNED to almost certainly being without last season’s Melbourne Cup stars Rekindling and Johannes Vermeer, owner Lloyd Williams’ search for replacement spring firepower will turn to Flemington on Saturday.

Rekindling and Johannes Vermeer, last year’s Cup quinella, are unlikely to be seen until the end of the spring carnival — if at all — after suffering minor setbacks.

The pair’s absence means six-time Cup-winning owner Williams will now rely on familiar and unseen stock.

Sir Edwin Landseer, a Galileo four-year-old, is first emergency in the 2000m Allsop Handicap.

Exemplar, a lightly raced five-year-old who has been placed at Group 2 and 3 level in Ireland, is in the 1700m VRC Members Handicap.

Belgravia, who has form around Rekindling in Ireland, has been scratched from the same race.

Despite the likelihood of Rekindling and Caulfield and Melbourne Cup placegetter Johannes Vermeer both being absent until late in the carnival, Macedon Lodge still has enviable options.

There is a chance Irish Derby winner Latrobe, trained by Joseph O’Brien in Ireland, could fly the flag for Williams and his co-owners in either the Cox Plate or Melbourne Cup.

Almandin, the 2016 Cup winner, remains a chance to contest the Cup again. Williams’ trainer Liam Howley will saddle imports Kilimanjaro and Crocodile Rock in the 2500m O’Connell Handicap at Flemington on Saturday.
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After suffering minor set backs.

That is bad luck for the horses but serves Williams right for throwing away a lucrative autumn for no good bloody reason.




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Originally posted by anabel anabel wrote:

https://www.bendigoadvertiser.com.au/story/5564288/man-who-helped-train-melbourne-cup-winner-jailed-after-kidnapping-stealing/

Bizarre story.

Some people would have been happy.

In Bacchus Marsh, Dosen used the victim’s credit card to buy more than $2000 worth of goods at a petrol station, including purchases for other customers.


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Plan Ciel & Yogi were obviously great runs in the last at Caulfield today.

But I thought HARRISON ran a very good race in finishing 4th over a distance massively short of his preferred trip.

His form back in the UK over 2400m+ was actually pretty good around the lines of St Michel, Dal Harrild & Housesofparliament.

Maybe this guy could be Lloyd’s ‘sleeper’ for the Cups.
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I’ve had a little go at HARRISON at big odds for both the AJC Metropolitan & for the Melb Cup.

But even if he doesn’t measure up to those races, I think he’s Lloyd’s best chance today at MV.   Excellent run when resuming over 1600m beaten only 1.1 lengths by PLAN CIEL and the step up to 2040m now. Drawn well and has weight advantage over main rivals.
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Haven't had a winner since May. Still to early for Lloyds horses to hit form for mine. With the two stable heavy weights out for most of the spring will be interesting to see if any of the current cattle measures up over the next month or so.

Not that Lloyd would be concerned. He will just buy something that O'Brien has entered.
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