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    Posted: 02 Jan 2018 at 9:13am

Williams in clear as Howley takes over

Andrew Eddy

24 November, 2017


Liam Howley officially became Lloyd Williams' private trainer on Friday after Racing Victoria announced it was comfortable with the training arrangements at the millionaire owner's Mt Macedon property.

Chief executive Giles Thompson earlier this week announced that RV would 'revisit' the training regime after claims on radio from Williams that he was in fact the trainer of the team.

But on Friday RV declared: RV Stewards remain comfortably satisfied that Mr Williams is continuing to operate in the role of an Executive Chairman of Hudson Conway Racing and that Mr Howley, as general trainer, will be responsible for the day-to-day management of all horses in training at Macedon Lodge - Hudson Conway Racing's private training property."

Howley takes over the reins immediately from Robert Hickmott, who is leaving Mt Macedon after nine years as a head trainer.

Williams was inducted into racing's Hall Of Fame last year and earlier this month won his sixth Melbourne Cup as an owner when the Irish horse Rekindling nosed out his stablemate Johannes Vermeer.

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Edited by Gay3 - 02 Jan 2018 at 9:36am


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I thought Rekindling and Johannes went back to O’Brien?
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Gee he is a big supporter of the Australian bred horse.
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13 Australasian bred.

Since Zipping Fawkner and Efficient who has he had ?


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What has happened  to  R  Hickmot,  has he gone out training on his own?
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It looks like the "revisit" of the situation, was a 1 hour wine and dine, at Crown Casino and a few questions over the lobster bisque.

Seriously, if they think this situation does not bring racing's image into question, then they need to look up the word integrity.

So the exact situation as we are being told sits like this.

1. Lloyd decides when and where the horses are going to run. Okay no problems there.
2. Mr Howley, where ever he has sprung from, is in charge of the everyday operations of the stable, and the care of the horses. This means that if the horses are presented at the track with a substance, then it is Mr Howley, who will be charged and investigated. Okay that is fine.

The problem I now have is if a horse has accepted for a race, and then for some reason, is scratched after the deadline, or misses the race, say in a similar case to Night's Watch on Saturday at Doomben, then who gets the breach notice and who gets charged?

This is doing my head in, I am just glad it is RVL's problem and not mine! 

I would like to know from those closer to the stables if arrangements like this have happened before.

Does Godolphin tell their trainer where and when to run?

Does David Moodie from Contract Racing tell his trainers where to run?

   
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Hush up voyager lol,...this annoying wound has now been cleansed by Rvl, he probably is a nice bloke by all accounts, but really is just a glorified strapper with a license.
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Originally posted by theshu25 theshu25 wrote:

What has happened  to  R  Hickmot,  has he gone out training on his own?


Yes he has. At the moment he has taken over John Sadlers team as he is suspended until February
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Voyager, whether they tell their trainers where to run or not is totally up to the owners.

If Trainers are big enough they can also tell the owner where to shove their horse.



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Originally posted by VOYAGER VOYAGER wrote:

It looks like the "revisit" of the situation, was a 1 hour wine and dine, at Crown Casino and a few questions over the lobster bisque.

Seriously, if they think this situation does not bring racing's image into question, then they need to look up the word integrity.

So the exact situation as we are being told sits like this.

1. Lloyd decides when and where the horses are going to run. Okay no problems there.
2. Mr Howley, where ever he has sprung from, is in charge of the everyday operations of the stable, and the care of the horses. This means that if the horses are presented at the track with a substance, then it is Mr Howley, who will be charged and investigated. Okay that is fine.

The problem I now have is if a horse has accepted for a race, and then for some reason, is scratched after the deadline, or misses the race, say in a similar case to Night's Watch on Saturday at Doomben, then who gets the breach notice and who gets charged?

This is doing my head in, I am just glad it is RVL's problem and not mine! 

I would like to know from those closer to the stables if arrangements like this have happened before.

Does Godolphin tell their trainer where and when to run?

Does David Moodie from Contract Racing tell his trainers where to run?

   


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http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/sheikh-speaks-out-on-cecil-1344214.htmlhttp://www.independent.co.uk/sport/sheikh-speaks-out-on-cecil-1344214.html


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Can't open the link djebel. Can you post the story please.
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Sheikh speaks out on Cecil

Richard Edmondson reports from Dubai on the latest twist to the public split between a top owner and leading trainer








Sheikh Mohammed, and the Maktoum family as a whole, handle their trainers like some people treat their training shoes. They will only get rid of them as a last resort.

The simple logic applied is that Dubai's rulers are happy to grant loyalty as long as it also comes to them on the other side of the carriageway. Last year, though, Sheikh Mohammed felt Henry Cecil's steering had become too erratic and, on the night of the long line of horseboxes in Newmarket, he removed all his horses from Warren Place. Yesterday, sitting in the middle of a mound of cushions in his tent at the Al Quoz stables, he explained why.

The single incident that provoked the split came just before the Royal Lodge Stakes at Ascot last year. Cecil said he wanted to run the promising colt Mark Of Esteem but could not gain Sheikh Mohammed's permission. The owner replied that the horse was injured and should never have been a consideration for the race. "I can cope with most things but I can't cope with somebody letting the whole world know that I'm stopping a horse from running in a big race and yet the horse is lame," the Sheikh said yesterday. "I can't take that. When that trust goes everything goes.''

The discord between the two men had been in place for some time, however. While for some the racehorse is a rich man's trophy, for Sheikh Mohammed, who is just about the wealthiest of the lot, the sport is about participation. He likes to put in his 10 dirhams worth, and his thoughts were not always in line with Cecil's.

"The problem is that I am a horseman, not just an owner," he said. "Therefore I want to know. I want to get involved, I want to interfere. The pleasure is being part of my horses, not just turning up in a smart suit and watching them at the racecourse.

"Before I went to Henry Cecil he was champion trainer, a great trainer, and he was when I was with him and I'm sure he will be in the future. But Henry wants his own way. I kept tackling him and a friendly fight was always there.

"He would not come my way and I would not go his, so I knew neither of us would enjoy it. So I decided it would be better to cut it clean. It was for my sake and his sake. I have nothing personal against Henry Cecil. If everything changed, and he understood the way I think, there is nothing stopping me going back with him.''

Mark Of Esteem is still bothered intermittently by an arthritic spur on one of his knees, but he has thrived in Arabia this winter. "We are very happy with this horse and I think that he is good," the Sheikh said on an inspection of his Godolphin-owned three-year-old.

This plain statement was enough to prompt Mike Dillon, representing the bookmakers Ladbrokes, to cut the colt's price to 7-1 (from 9-1) for the 2,000 Guineas at Newmarket on 4 May, which will be his first race of the season.

The favourite at 5-4 is Alhaarth, who is owned by the man who used to stick up for Sheikh Mohammed in the playground, his elder brother Sheikh Hamdan.

Mark Of Esteem apart, the Godolphin wintering unit has yet to unearth the same sort of talents that swept the board in Europe last season.

"Last year was wonderful and that doesn't happen every year," Sheikh Mohammed said. "We have good horses but we don't have another Lammtarra. These horses are more exposed and I would be happy if we win one Classic anywhere in Europe.''

With the Emirates' worst spell of weather for 60 years now behind him and the runners for tomorrow's inaugural Dubai World Cup all in place and bedded in, the Sheikh's pulse has slowed. "I promise you I am not nervous any more," he said. "I am very relaxed.''

He will, however, have to face a conundrum when Godolphin's forces have to be restocked later in the year. "There is only one big problem left," he said. "There are no more Henry Cecil horses for me to take away.''

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Nothing like a racehorse or a woman to rock the boat, all part of life.
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Thanks for posting gay.

Not quite sure how an article from over 20 years ago is relevant to the Howley / Williams partnership of today in a completely different jurisdiction, but an interesting read just the same.
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Ask djebel, tho' he too may have trouble with the 'why' Wink
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Voyager asked the question, Does Godolphin tell their trainers when or where to run their horses.



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I can easily side with Cecil here, the boss said the horse was lame ( spur on knee) but as we know some horses can handle a little pain when the crunch comes , just like a fair dinkum athlete, adrenaline kicks in but the weak will fold up, Cecil would know this but the boss thought otherwise, nuff said.
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I wonder when this Howley era is going to kick off??

Nearly 3 months since Lloyd has even had a runner.
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He has an unraced maiden nominated for the Guineas ... hmmm
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Originally posted by Lord Hybrow Lord Hybrow wrote:

I wonder when this Howley era is going to kick off??

Nearly 3 months since Lloyd has even had a runner.

Still counting his winnings
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Liam Howley

NOMINATIONS

Race 8 - Australian Cup (2000 METRES)
 ColoursHorse Name
Almandin (GER)   
Aloft (IRE)   
Homesman (USA)   
Johannes Vermeer (IRE)   
The Taj Mahal (IRE)   
Rekindling (GB)   

 

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Race 3 - Australian Guineas (1600 METRES)
 ColoursHorse NameWeight
Elgin (NZ) 56.5kg
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Those AUST CUP ones may GO first up
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That Elgin should not be allowed to run in Classics.



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Originally posted by RED HUNTER RED HUNTER wrote:

Originally posted by Lord Hybrow Lord Hybrow wrote:

I wonder when this Howley era is going to kick off??

Nearly 3 months since Lloyd has even had a runner.


Still counting his winnings


He didn’t count for very long. That money was already spent by December with the purchase of a further 5 Galileo’s to be aimed at the 2018 Cup.
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plenty of background at twitter
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Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

That Elgin should not be allowed to run in Classics.


The Australian Guineas is hardly a Classic, it’s only a relatively new race. But I know where you’re heading with the comment.
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