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Smoke and Mirrors
Champion Joined: 10 Sep 2016 Location: Victoria Status: Offline Points: 1396 |
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Finished 17th
Retirement beckons. |
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"Go Hard or Go Home”
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jacko1
Champion Joined: 26 Jun 2007 Status: Offline Points: 1801 |
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Yep. Don't think he likes a wet track much either.
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Jamal
Champion Joined: 25 Jul 2011 Status: Offline Points: 8659 |
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Yes he does..he won on a Heavy track |
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Australian racing is only good up to 1400m in terms of world standards when it comes to depth/quality in numbers
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Lord Hybrow
Champion Joined: 05 Jul 2015 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 6643 |
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Jamal, his only heavy track win was BM65 over 1600m in 2013. It’s not his preferred going and all his peak performances over the years have been on good ground - eg his 2 G1 wins in the Sydney & Auckland Cup, his Melb Cup 3rd placing in 2014 & MV Cup win. I assume he’ll be retired after today. But I’d love to see him go back home to NZ for an Auckland Cup. |
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Shawy38
Champion Joined: 13 Jun 2015 Status: Offline Points: 17253 |
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Looks like he is going to Sandown for the Zipping Classic. Back to 2400m
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Sister Dot
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If Inwasa racehorse, Inwould hate to be born a gelding! 😳😝
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“Where in this wide world can man find nobility without pride, friendship without envy, or beauty without vanity? Here where grace is laced with muscle and strength by gentleness confined”
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Sister Dot
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Spoilt a good joke by posting without looking, why can’t we edit our posts?
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“Where in this wide world can man find nobility without pride, friendship without envy, or beauty without vanity? Here where grace is laced with muscle and strength by gentleness confined”
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Lord Hybrow
Champion Joined: 05 Jul 2015 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 6643 |
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People forget that he didn’t race as a 2yo or 3yo, and only had 2 starts as a 4yo.
Didn’t really start racing in earnest until he was a 5yo. Not sure if that’s been the key to his longevity, or perhaps that tough South Island breeding - Yamanin Vital x Noble Bijou damline. He won’t find it easy on Sat up against Lloyd’s younger stayers like Homesman & Yucatan, but great to see him go around nonetheless. Hopefully acquits himself well & maybe jags a placing. |
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Jamal
Champion Joined: 25 Jul 2011 Status: Offline Points: 8659 |
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I remember Northerly not racing until he was a 4 yr old. Rogan Josh the same. Thus has helped WSTB's career in terms of longevity. Hopefully he runs well on Saturday |
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Australian racing is only good up to 1400m in terms of world standards when it comes to depth/quality in numbers
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saintly96
Champion Joined: 12 Jun 2008 Location: Nunya biz Status: Offline Points: 12926 |
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Pre Melbourne Cup, connections stated one last tilt at the Sydney Cup would be his swansong.
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Shawy38
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Retired after yesterday
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Tlazolteotl
Champion Joined: 02 Oct 2012 Location: Elephant Butte Status: Offline Points: 31290 |
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Northerly started twice as a 3yo. I did not know that Rogan Josh didn't start until he was 4. Wonder what that was about? Injury? So slow early they couldn't be bothered racing him?
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An honest politician is one who when he is bought will stay bought.
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JudgeHolden
Champion Joined: 16 Apr 2011 Status: Offline Points: 11716 |
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There isn’t big dough in juvenile racing out west. I’ve often thought that was a factor as to why they seem to produce more than their fair share of good quality older horses.
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Second Chance
Champion Joined: 02 Dec 2007 Status: Offline Points: 45319 |
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Appears they tend not to ask too much of 2yo's given the hardness of tracks. And yes, only two major 2yo races, the Karrakatta and Sires Produce both in mid Autumn. |
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Nick
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Bye champ!
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Jamal
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Is it fair to say that WSTB raced in the wrong era? Meaning - was he as good as other NZ bred stayers Jezabeel and Brew...could WSTB have won a Melbourne Cup in the 90s.for example? PoP was also a NZ bred horse and won the Cup in tie "modern era"...maybe it was a ase of wrong era of WSTB althogh he did run 3rd in 2014.
His record is reslectable but he loved the 3200m. $4.5 mil earnt too...good effort |
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Australian racing is only good up to 1400m in terms of world standards when it comes to depth/quality in numbers
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Sister Dot
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Hold the accolades! They’ve announced they are still considering his future and no decision made as yet
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“Where in this wide world can man find nobility without pride, friendship without envy, or beauty without vanity? Here where grace is laced with muscle and strength by gentleness confined”
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Shawy38
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Let the poor horse rest.
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Tontonan
Champion Joined: 13 Oct 2007 Status: Offline Points: 3898 |
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That is more than a fair call. WSTB is a far better horse than Brew and so was Jezabeel. Winner of the Sydney Cup, MV Cup, Sandown Classic, Auckland Cup, Avondale Cup and the Bart Cummings. Beaten a head in the Tancred, and a nose in a second Sydney Cup. First Australasian home in the 2014 and 2016 Melbourne Cup (with 56kg). I'd be comparing him to (but not ahead of) the likes of Castletown and Battle Heights. A very admirable soldier indeed - but its time to call it a day,
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marble
Champion Joined: 12 Jan 2008 Location: Brisbane Status: Offline Points: 6165 |
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correct tontonan - a grand old fashioned stayer with longevity, tough as teak. Loved it when he backed up after the melbourne cup and won the Sandown Cup by a space. He deserves a nice lush paddock now
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acacia alba
Champion Joined: 31 Oct 2010 Location: Hunter Valley Status: Offline Points: 41243 |
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Here we go again. Greedy connections. Great old horse. Had enough. Give him a decent retirement FF$.
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animals before people.
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Carioca
Champion Joined: 13 Nov 2015 Status: Offline Points: 21698 |
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You would think a stable with 500 horses on the books would be able to convince the owners of a fine old racehorse that's been a wonderful servant deserves the green green grass of home lol, maybe he frets in the paddock or spells badly , but I'm sure there would be a family that keep the saddle up to him and keep him happy. have they tried?
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mc41
Champion Joined: 20 Feb 2007 Location: Goldcoast Au Status: Offline Points: 4918 |
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Owners not making a decision until they have had time to review everyone opinion on here.
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acacia alba
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Shouldnt need to review other people,s opinions. Anywhere . Should have enough sense and compassion to do the right thing off their own bat.
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animals before people.
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jacko1
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Who are we to tell owners when to retire their horses?
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acacia alba
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Exactly . They should have a bit of common sense, and some feelings for their horse. Those smart owners certainly showed fine judgement in racing Single Gaze on, didnt they
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animals before people.
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Shawy38
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If they are concerned about him not loving being in the paddock, more than welcome to send him to my place. My wife will have him showing in no time
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VOYAGER
Champion Joined: 04 Aug 2007 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 18699 |
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I do not know much about show horses shawy, but to me he would make a lovely showjumper or dressage mount.
Again, that is an opinion from a non equestrian person. |
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Remember, it might take intelligence to be smart , but it takes experience to be wise
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Carioca
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Ya don't have to be a cook to know you've had a good meal Voyager. |
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Tlazolteotl
Champion Joined: 02 Oct 2012 Location: Elephant Butte Status: Offline Points: 31290 |
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Simple calculation for me. Likelihood of winning any race or earning significant money next autumn- almost zero. Likelihood of significant injury in race next autumn- increasing.
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An honest politician is one who when he is bought will stay bought.
Simon Cameron |
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