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Finished 17th
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Yep. Don't think he likes a wet track much either. 
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Originally posted by jacko1 jacko1 wrote:

Yep. Don't think he likes a wet track much either. 


Yes he does..he won on a Heavy track
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Originally posted by Jamal Jamal wrote:

Originally posted by jacko1 jacko1 wrote:

Yep. Don't think he likes a wet track much either. 

Yes he does..he won on a Heavy track

Jamal, his only heavy track win was BM65 over 1600m in 2013. It’s not his preferred going and all his peak performances over the years have been on good ground - eg his 2 G1 wins in the Sydney & Auckland Cup, his Melb Cup 3rd placing in 2014 & MV Cup win.

I assume he’ll be retired after today. But I’d love to see him go back home to NZ for an Auckland Cup.
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Looks like he is going to Sandown for the Zipping Classic. Back to 2400m
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If Inwasa racehorse, Inwould hate to be born a gelding! 😳😝
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Spoilt a good joke by posting without looking, why can’t we edit our posts?
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People forget that he didn’t race as a 2yo or 3yo, and only had 2 starts as a 4yo.

Didn’t really start racing in earnest until he was a 5yo.

Not sure if that’s been the key to his longevity, or perhaps that tough South Island breeding - Yamanin Vital x Noble Bijou damline.

He won’t find it easy on Sat up against Lloyd’s younger stayers like Homesman & Yucatan, but great to see him go around nonetheless. Hopefully acquits himself well & maybe jags a placing.
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Originally posted by Lord Hybrow Lord Hybrow wrote:

People forget that he didn’t race as a 2yo or 3yo, and only had 2 starts as a 4yo.

Didn’t really start racing in earnest until he was a 5yo.

Not sure if that’s been the key to his longevity, or perhaps that tough South Island breeding - Yamanin Vital x Noble Bijou damline.

He won’t find it easy on Sat up against Lloyd’s younger stayers like Homesman & Yucatan, but great to see him go around nonetheless. Hopefully acquits himself well & maybe jags a placing.


I remember Northerly not racing until he was a 4 yr old. Rogan Josh the same. Thus has helped WSTB's career in terms of longevity. Hopefully he runs well on Saturday
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Pre Melbourne Cup, connections stated one last tilt at the Sydney Cup would be his swansong.
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Retired after yesterday
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Originally posted by Jamal Jamal wrote:

Originally posted by Lord Hybrow Lord Hybrow wrote:

People forget that he didn’t race as a 2yo or 3yo, and only had 2 starts as a 4yo.

Didn’t really start racing in earnest until he was a 5yo.

Not sure if that’s been the key to his longevity, or perhaps that tough South Island breeding - Yamanin Vital x Noble Bijou damline.

He won’t find it easy on Sat up against Lloyd’s younger stayers like Homesman & Yucatan, but great to see him go around nonetheless. Hopefully acquits himself well & maybe jags a placing.


I remember Northerly not racing until he was a 4 yr old. Rogan Josh the same. Thus has helped WSTB's career in terms of longevity. Hopefully he runs well on Saturday


Northerly started twice as a 3yo.

I did not know that Rogan Josh didn't start until he was 4. Wonder what that was about? Injury? So slow early they couldn't be bothered racing him?
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There isn’t big dough in juvenile racing out west. I’ve often thought that was a factor as to why they seem to produce more than their fair share of good quality older horses.
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Appears they tend not to ask too much of 2yo's given the hardness of tracks.

And yes, only two major 2yo races, the Karrakatta and Sires Produce both in mid Autumn.




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Is it fair to say that WSTB raced in the wrong era? Meaning - was he as good as other NZ bred stayers Jezabeel and Brew...could WSTB have won a Melbourne Cup in the 90s.for example? PoP was also a NZ bred horse and won the Cup in tie "modern era"...maybe it was a ase of wrong era of WSTB althogh he did run 3rd in 2014.

His record is reslectable but he loved the 3200m. $4.5 mil earnt too...good effort
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Hold the accolades! They’ve announced they are still considering his future and no decision made as yet
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Let the poor horse rest.
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Originally posted by Jamal Jamal wrote:

Is it fair to say that WSTB raced in the wrong era? Meaning - was he as good as other NZ bred stayers Jezabeel and Brew...could WSTB have won a Melbourne Cup in the 90s.for example? PoP was also a NZ bred horse and won the Cup in tie "modern era"...maybe it was a ase of wrong era of WSTB althogh he did run 3rd in 2014.

That is more than a fair call.  WSTB is a far better horse than Brew  and so was Jezabeel.

Winner of the Sydney Cup, MV Cup, Sandown Classic, Auckland Cup, Avondale Cup and the Bart Cummings.  Beaten a head in the Tancred, and a nose in a second Sydney Cup.  First Australasian home in the 2014 and 2016 Melbourne Cup (with 56kg).    I'd be comparing him to (but not ahead of) the likes of Castletown and Battle Heights.

A very admirable soldier indeed - but its time to call it a day,
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Originally posted by Tontonan Tontonan wrote:

Originally posted by Jamal Jamal wrote:

Is it fair to say that WSTB raced in the wrong era? Meaning - was he as good as other NZ bred stayers Jezabeel and Brew...could WSTB have won a Melbourne Cup in the 90s.for example? PoP was also a NZ bred horse and won the Cup in tie "modern era"...maybe it was a ase of wrong era of WSTB althogh he did run 3rd in 2014.

That is more than a fair call.  WSTB is a far better horse than Brew  and so was Jezabeel.

Winner of the Sydney Cup, MV Cup, Sandown Classic, Auckland Cup, Avondale Cup and the Bart Cummings.  Beaten a head in the Tancred, and a nose in a second Sydney Cup.  First Australasian home in the 2014 and 2016 Melbourne Cup (with 56kg).    I'd be comparing him to (but not ahead of) the likes of Castletown and Battle Heights.

A very admirable soldier indeed - but its time to call it a day,
correct tontonan - a grand old fashioned stayer with longevity, tough as teak. Loved it when he backed up after the melbourne cup and won the Sandown Cup by a space. He deserves a nice lush paddock now
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Here we go again.   Greedy connections.  Great old horse.  Had enough.   Give him a decent retirement FF$.
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You would think a stable with 500 horses on the books would be able to convince the owners of a fine old racehorse that's been a wonderful servant deserves the green green grass of home lol, maybe he frets in the paddock or spells badly , but I'm sure there would be a family that keep the saddle up to him and keep him happy. have they tried?
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Owners not making a decision until they have had time to review everyone opinion on here.
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Shouldnt need to review other people,s opinions.  Anywhere .  Should have enough sense and compassion to do the right thing off their own bat.
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Originally posted by acacia alba acacia alba wrote:

Shouldnt need to review other people,s opinions.  Anywhere .  Should have enough sense and compassion to do the right thing off their own bat.

Who are we to tell owners when to retire their horses?
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Exactly .  They should have a bit of common sense, and some feelings for their horse. 
Those smart owners certainly showed fine judgement in racing Single Gaze on, didnt they LOL
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If they are concerned about him not loving being in the paddock, more than welcome to send him to my place. My wife will have him showing in no time
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I do not know much about show horses shawy, but to me he would make a lovely showjumper or dressage mount.

Again, that is an opinion from a non equestrian person.
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Originally posted by VOYAGER VOYAGER wrote:

I do not know much about show horses shawy, but to me he would make a lovely showjumper or dressage mount.

Again, that is an opinion from a non equestrian person.

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Here we go again.   Greedy connections.  Great old horse.  Had enough.   Give him a decent retirement FF$.


Simple calculation for me. Likelihood of winning any race or earning significant money next autumn- almost zero. Likelihood of significant injury in race next autumn- increasing.
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