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Hi above.  I thought we were all on this site because we loved horses.  That is something in common.  But so many of these other issues divide and conquer.  We are all different.  My father was a union director.  Neither a parasite or a communist.  The communist fraction is there in Labour but not all of them are!  Same as not all of the Liberals are parasites only in it to line there own pockets.  Good and bad folks everywhere.  Hence the swinging voter here who tries to work through the debates and decide for herself.  This can be very trying.  I think they all get solicitors to train them in double speak or in say nothing while talking for hours.

But both sides do have good people and even the left and right have good people.  There because they think they can help.

Did you know hate destroys the one doing the hating.  It makes you as bad as the people you are against.  All those powerful emotions kill the humanity in us.  Greed, lust, hate we all have the seeds to let those things grow and destroy the good which is also in all of us.

So stop the name calling and judging.  We all have different views and should be able to give them without being spat on or jumped on or brushed aside as worthy of little notice.

Australia was built on "everyone is equal".  Once a convict served his time he was allowed land to be a free man.  Sure that wasn't so good for the natives.  Sure things were done that were down right wrong.  But when you dwell on that you become obsessed like those protestors.  You fail to see the good and do more harm than good.

You can support someone who is down without making them feel sorry for themselves.  Because bitterness destroys as well.  Been there done that.  And the time it takes to dig yourself out of that hole when you didn't need to be there anyway!  You have to get on with life.  Things go wrong, things aren't fair, nature is not gentle or loving even when we want that.  This is Australia.  We live on the edge of major storms, drought, wild seas, flood rains, snakes, spiders, bats, crocks and mozzies which can all kill, injure and wipe towns off the maps.

Why can't we see that we have to support each other to ever get this country back on track.  After World War II they bought out refugees to build the snowy mountains system.  Well that was great one countries group against anothers.  But the bosses made them mix to show them they were the same.  People with families, losses, heartaches, love and a new life to get on with.  It worked.  Enermies became friends or at least grew to understand the other side.  History is great at teaching us if we would only listen.
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i consider myself center/left. economically...far more progressive.

As a practicing catholic, very annoying and utterly frustrating to see right wing conservative catholics (moreso than simply christians) wield power in right wing govts that ignores social teaching from the gospel. If you are a conservative catholic (educated/informed) you are more conservative than you are catholic in that respect imo.

that said. I find the activist, fervent left to be hypocrits and a contradiction when it comes to religion. generally, they despise religion. with one exception it seems - muslims/islam. they defend with plenty of gusto.

I wonder how much lefty social media praise catholic nun, sister anne gardner got for her senior australian of the year award -she has spent half a century helping the indigenous people. 85 yrs old. an issue dear to lefty hearts.

from my experience, no faith is despised or ridiculed more by the left than the catholic church. the usual...money hungry, should pay tax, god doesnt even exist, a haven for pedophiles. all a regular feature. innocents dont seem to exist. and their is the need to remind they are atheist.

still...happy to retweet the pope when he denounces predatory capitalism and trickle down economics, or pleads for migrants to be accepted everywhere with dignity and compassion. and anglican church, father rod bowers notice board is also very useful...when it suits their cause which it often does.


im talking the more radical of the left. its not everyone, but imo its a definite trend. im not sure why it plays out like this.

having said that...i still think the left are DEFINITELY on the correct side of the fence in their ideals. just that the religious component gets them all tangled wit hypocrisy.






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Thanks furious, hard to argue with any of that, although in fairness, this thread probably represents one of he more subdued, congenial and informative exchanges some of us have ever had ... thanks PT, what you said makes a lot of sense!Thumbs Up


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Very interesting "confession" there cabo! Thumbs Up

Apart from the religion (I'm a non-practicing C of E, and willing to give atheism a go ... just cant find their local meeting place ... TAB?) we are not that far removed in many ways. 

Please don't tell anyone, but in reality I'm fairly moderate right ... but you just don't get a conservative view heard in this forum if you don't take on the extreme position! Not giving anything more away, or you'll be passing the plate around shortly, and I already contributed (and do every week!)Wink
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tbh, human nature says we all have bias.

i try not not to be a pom pom waver as much as possible. i certainly dont agree with every alp decision or position, just like i dont agree with every left position or tactic. the radical left are almost as crazy as the rwnj. Almost.....


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Originally posted by cabosanlucas cabosanlucas wrote:


i consider myself center/left. economically...far more progressive.

As a practicing catholic, very annoying and utterly frustrating to see right wing conservative catholics (moreso than simply christians) wield power in right wing govts that ignores social teaching from the gospel. If you are a conservative catholic (educated/informed) you are more conservative than you are catholic in that respect imo.

that said. I find the activist, fervent left to be hypocrits and a contradiction when it comes to religion. generally, they despise religion. with one exception it seems - muslims/islam. they defend with plenty of gusto.

I wonder how much lefty social media praise catholic nun, sister anne gardner got for her senior australian of the year award -she has spent half a century helping the indigenous people. 85 yrs old. an issue dear to lefty hearts.

from my experience, no faith is despised or ridiculed more by the left than the catholic church. the usual...money hungry, should pay tax, god doesnt even exist, a haven for pedophiles. all a regular feature. innocents dont seem to exist. and their is the need to remind they are atheist.

still...happy to retweet the pope when he denounces predatory capitalism and trickle down economics, or pleads for migrants to be accepted everywhere with dignity and compassion. and anglican church, father rod bowers notice board is also very useful...when it suits their cause which it often does.


im talking the more radical of the left. its not everyone, but imo its a definite trend. im not sure why it plays out like this.

having said that...i still think the left are DEFINITELY on the correct side of the fence in their ideals. just that the religious component gets them all tangled wit hypocrisy.






 
 
Not sure that's fair. Think most just don't want to see the wrong people unfairly targeted.
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I was curious, so i did a google search to see whether this was something shared elsewhere.

and their is stacks of stuff on 'why liberals (left) hate christianity' and 'why liberals support islam' .

admittedly, they are from right wing or conservative sources, mainly usa based from the ones i looked at. i dont identify in that category, but i obviously have the same experience.

i guess im an anomaly being a catholic socialist
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Originally posted by cabosanlucas cabosanlucas wrote:


i consider myself center/left. economically...far more progressive.

As a practicing catholic, very annoying and utterly frustrating to see right wing conservative catholics (moreso than simply christians) wield power in right wing govts that ignores social teaching from the gospel. If you are a conservative catholic (educated/informed) you are more conservative than you are catholic in that respect imo.

that said. I find the activist, fervent left to be hypocrits and a contradiction when it comes to religion. generally, they despise religion. with one exception it seems - muslims/islam. they defend with plenty of gusto.

I wonder how much lefty social media praise catholic nun, sister anne gardner got for her senior australian of the year award -she has spent half a century helping the indigenous people. 85 yrs old. an issue dear to lefty hearts.

from my experience, no faith is despised or ridiculed more by the left than the catholic church. the usual...money hungry, should pay tax, god doesnt even exist, a haven for pedophiles. all a regular feature. innocents dont seem to exist. and their is the need to remind they are atheist.

still...happy to retweet the pope when he denounces predatory capitalism and trickle down economics, or pleads for migrants to be accepted everywhere with dignity and compassion. and anglican church, father rod bowers notice board is also very useful...when it suits their cause which it often does.


im talking the more radical of the left. its not everyone, but imo its a definite trend. im not sure why it plays out like this.

having said that...i still think the left are DEFINITELY on the correct side of the fence in their ideals. just that the religious component gets them all tangled wit hypocrisy.







Interesting post cabo, and as a "lapsed Catholic" I find myself torn. I have a first Aunt who nearly fits the Sister Gardner mould- 60 years for her in the Joeys and a more beautiful soul you won't find. And I was heartened to hear her say (and others I know closely associate with the Church) that they barely pay any notice to the likes of Pell, and as solid Labor people the likes of Bernardi and Abbot were beneath their contempt. When I asked her what drives her she simply said "the Holy Spirit", by which she further explained the notion that she should be trying to help people by spreading goodness. 

On the other hand I think you're letting the CC off the hook somewhat. There's NO doubt they tried to cover up sexual misconduct amongst priests, and under at least one recent Pope spent way too much time naval gazing over doctrinal issues (are they still mulling over whether Limbo is a thing?) than concerning themselves with pastoral care.

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Originally posted by JudgeHolden JudgeHolden wrote:

Originally posted by cabosanlucas cabosanlucas wrote:


i consider myself center/left. economically...far more progressive.

As a practicing catholic, very annoying and utterly frustrating to see right wing conservative catholics (moreso than simply christians) wield power in right wing govts that ignores social teaching from the gospel. If you are a conservative catholic (educated/informed) you are more conservative than you are catholic in that respect imo.

that said. I find the activist, fervent left to be hypocrits and a contradiction when it comes to religion. generally, they despise religion. with one exception it seems - muslims/islam. they defend with plenty of gusto.

I wonder how much lefty social media praise catholic nun, sister anne gardner got for her senior australian of the year award -she has spent half a century helping the indigenous people. 85 yrs old. an issue dear to lefty hearts.

from my experience, no faith is despised or ridiculed more by the left than the catholic church. the usual...money hungry, should pay tax, god doesnt even exist, a haven for pedophiles. all a regular feature. innocents dont seem to exist. and their is the need to remind they are atheist.

still...happy to retweet the pope when he denounces predatory capitalism and trickle down economics, or pleads for migrants to be accepted everywhere with dignity and compassion. and anglican church, father rod bowers notice board is also very useful...when it suits their cause which it often does.


im talking the more radical of the left. its not everyone, but imo its a definite trend. im not sure why it plays out like this.

having said that...i still think the left are DEFINITELY on the correct side of the fence in their ideals. just that the religious component gets them all tangled wit hypocrisy.








Interesting post cabo, and as a "lapsed Catholic" I find myself torn. I have a first Aunt who nearly fits the Sister Gardner mould- 60 years for her in the Joeys and a more beautiful soul you won't find. And I was heartened to hear her say (and others I know closely associate with the Church) that they barely pay any notice to the likes of Pell, and as solid Labor people the likes of Bernardi and Abbot were beneath their contempt. When I asked her what drives her she simply said "the Holy Spirit", by which she further explained the notion that she should be trying to help people by spreading goodness. 

On the other hand I think you're letting the CC off the hook somewhat. There's NO doubt they tried to cover up sexual misconduct amongst priests, and under at least one recent Pope spent way too much time naval gazing over doctrinal issues (are they still mulling over whether Limbo is a thing?) than concerning themselves with pastoral care.

They've brought a lot of this on themselves.




im not diminishing the CC cover up of Pedophilia. desrves the strongest condemnation. no probs there. but i think it runs much deeper than that. take out that disgraceful scurge and the left still despise the church and catholicism or christianity im sure...for all the other reasons i mentioned.

lefties seem to go by the mantra of not tarring everyone with the same brush. innocent people should not be victimised.

try and find any support for such people (CC) by the liberal left.
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Hang on you say "the left", but you're the left. So is my Catholic family. You're falling into the trap of ascribing the silly views of a minority to a large number of people. Sensible people don't think that way. Who's "victimising" ordinary parishioners? You're being dramatic.
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Oh, and nice hearing about your dear aunt. what a lady...i remember the st.josephs nuns as a kid...in the all brown silks

i was taight by the sisters of charity in primary school and then the more strict brothers in high school. good days.
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Originally posted by JudgeHolden JudgeHolden wrote:

Hang on you say "the left", but you're the left. So is my Catholic family. You're falling into the trap of ascribing the silly views of a minority to a large number of people. Sensible people don't think that way. Who's "victimising" ordinary parishioners? You're being dramatic.


The more radical, activist left. i made it clear in the original post.

But tbh, i might have to reconsider how i describe mysellf. it can be a bit confusing given that it can have variances once you go from economics to social beliefs.

I have more in common with those on the left i think. maybe thats the best way to,put it. given i aupport the alp and they are 'supposed' to be a socialist/ left party...then thats where im most comfortable.

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Well I'm a practicing Catholic.  Doesn't make me better or worst as a person as I see so many good people outside the church doing wonderful things to help others. One of the gentlest people I've ever met is a former brother in Law who is a Muslim.  The things that gets me - and I'm a woman - is trying to neuter gender. I'm in the music ministry and everything has to be them.  There is nothing wrong with him and her.  The bible was written in a different age.  For a different set of people.  Men and Women are different and just as well.  We help each other by offering differences.

I don't want to dominate my husband and he doesn't dominate me.  I can say sorry when I do the wrong thing (often by the way I'm human).  One daughter says I'm a typical catholic with a heightened sense of my failings.  She's probably right I have a pessimistic nature so can be very happy when things turn out good.

I still remember our priest in tears when a neighbouring priest left the church to marry.  They'd been friends for so long and the things the other priest were saying hurt him deeply.  A very gentle man who looked after his flock.  The priest of my youth was from Ireland so a totally different kind.  But just and loved his music.  I met good and bad (just like everywhere) but the good outweigh the bad.

Why because a man (we all have failures) does the wrong thing should it make me not believe.  I fall get up and go on.  So many good people helping all over the world help me know that despite everything the church is doing more good than harm.  That said pedophile priests should of been sent to monasteries with no outside contact.  They exist.  Once it was discovered the bishops had no right to send them on to different parishes to hurt more children. 
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As Ricky Gervais puts it, we are all "almost" athiests ...

Since the beginning of recorded history, which is defined by the invention of writing by the Sumerians around 6,000 years ago, historians have cataloged over 3700 supernatural beings, of which 2870 can be considered deities. So next time someone tells me they believe in God, I'll say "Oh which one? Zeus? Hades? Jupiter? Mars? Odin? Thor? Krishna? Vishnu? Ra?…" If they say "Just God. I only believe in the one God," I'll point out that they are nearly as atheistic as me. I don't believe in 2,870 gods, and they don't believe in 2,869
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The title of this thread is not descriptive enough ... the "left" are not just wrong, they are also consistently exposed as being the realm of the weak, victim class, who, even when they do try to fight back, can only do it by bullying or running in packs ... they simply cant hold up their fists, even when they are full of anger and hate, and are trying to be the New "Hipster" Fascists ... check out these pathetic freaks ... hardly a "terror" attack, they couldn't knock the skin off a rice pudding, and got their asses kicked by an out of nick 57 year old journo ... Good Grief ... I guess you don't send a couple of cowardly socialists to do a man's job!LOL

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ON THE FASCISTS WHO ATTACKED ME


Watch the fascist Left attack me and get clobbered. Luckily the cameras do not capture me kicking one between the legs. I cannot have my children see me acting like a thug. Read on also to see a picture of one who showed his face. Do you know him?

If you know him, or know either of the other two - one with a bruise on the left of his face - ring North Melbourne police on 83790800.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/blogs/andrew-bolt/on-the-fascists-who-attacked-me/news-story/3186ddefec10c40b55c09c16ab3b8625

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How soft is Bolta? A couple of young fellas exercising their freedom of speech and expression rights get set upon by this right wing triggered lunatic thug.  He is the one who should be chargedAngry

Doc, why do you and Bolt hate free speech so much, or is it only for the right as a constitutional right? Ouch
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How does he know they were fascist left? So many people hate Bolt it would be hard to narrow it down so quickly....
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bolt kicked arses and still made his sky conference call.

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The so-called anti-fascists (Antifa) look like fascists to me.
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I would have liked to see much more carnage,     on Bolt that is
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yes what a fool,  " I don't run and hide ", oh really Mr Bolt, like to see you with a real terrorist, the guy is an immature clown
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I would have liked to see much more carnage,     on Bolt that is


Imagine if rowan dean was there....they would have been mopping up social lefty lady bugs all over the floor.
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I would have liked to see much more carnage,     on Bolt that is


Imagine if rowan dean was there....they would have been mopping up social lefty lady bugs all over the floor.


that midget LOL
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yes what a fool,  " I don't run and hide ", oh really Mr Bolt, like to see you with a real terrorist, the guy is an immature clown


unreal. whale wants to see how bolt would react with a terrorist to see how macho he really is.

and he calls bolt an immature clown.

how old are you whale, 5 ??
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No 5 yrs is how Bolt is acting, boasting about what a tough guy he is like a schoolyard bully, just in case he doesn't get the kudos he deserves, pathetic, giant ego
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Originally posted by Whale Whale wrote:

No 5 yrs is how Bolt is acting, boasting about what a tough guy he is like a schoolyard bully, just in case he doesn't get the kudos he deserves, pathetic, giant ego


and you would love to see how he would handle a terrorist. as if that'l show us what a tough guy bolt really is.

the most moronic thing you have ever posted and thats coming from the lowest base.
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The ''left wing fascists'' threw shaving cream at him. When Alan Joyce copped a cream pie in the face a couple of months ago I dont recall him kicking anyone in the nuts or punching anyone.. 

From memory didn't the triggered snowflakes on the right claim the assailant was the real victim? It would be interesting to see whether Bolt wrote on that issue. Probably been deleted by now.
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Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

The ''left wing fascists'' threw shaving cream at him. When Alan Joyce copped a cream pie in the face a couple of months ago I dont recall him kicking anyone in the nuts or punching anyone.. 

From memory didn't the triggered snowflakes on the right claim the assailant was the real victim? It would be interesting to see whether Bolt wrote on that issue. Probably been deleted by now.


what would you have said if joyce went off like a thrashing machine?
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I would have condemned him....Police should be left to do police's job. This idiot chased them for a few steps to grab one, over shaving cream, to kick and punch him. What if one of them was really armed? What could we be talking about now?

Idiotic on so many levels. 
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