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Originally posted by 3blindmice 3blindmice wrote:

Originally posted by cabosanlucas cabosanlucas wrote:

Originally posted by subastral subastral wrote:

Originally posted by cabosanlucas cabosanlucas wrote:

Speaking of the political spectrum and agenda's or bias ....

has their been a newspaper that has lurched so far left in a short space of time as the SMH?



You cant be serious here?? Murdoch rags have nosedived hard right and towards the gutter. 


Murdoch rags have always been hard right. the smh was a center/right paper as far as i could tell, but almost overnight it has lurched into left territory....it runs all the stories you social engineering wack jobs love.

Priests without hard-ons. There's some social engineering I'd love to see. Offended? Put your offence to better use - such as understanding minorities, discrimination, etc.  Conservatives have been engaged in social engineering since the year dot. Understand that and you're one step along the way to getting some balance. How do the old teachings go again? Do unto others...  Walk a mile...

Cabo's traded all that in for some cheap tribalism. And to kneel at the altar of the Doc. A pretty sad spectacle, really.
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You lot are worse fanatics than any christians I've ever met. Well, maybe a bit like the Hillsong Prosperity Gospel zombies.
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Originally posted by stayer stayer wrote:

You lot are worse fanatics than any christians I've ever met. Well, maybe a bit like the Hillsong Prosperity Gospel zombies.


hillsong is an understatement. more like a bunch of jimmy swaggarts.



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Yeah, atheists and agnostics are the cause of all the world's problems. 
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Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

Yeah, atheists and agnostics are the cause of all the world's problems. 

Correct. Clap

STALIN=  Murdered an estimated 60 million, including ordering the shooting of 100,000 Priests.

POL POT = Murdered an estimated 2.5 million people

ZEDONG = Murdered an estimated 60 milllion people

MUSSOLINI = Did such things as invade Ethiopia, even bombing Red Cross buildings. His widow strongly stated he didnt believe in God.

JEFFREY DAHMER =an infamous serial killer and atheist sentenced to 900 years in prison, said “if a person doesn’t think that there is a God to be accountable to, then what’s the point of trying to modify your behavior to keep it within acceptable ranges?”. 

The list goes on.

If you were to compare ISIS, to the over 100 million that leading atheists have murdered, well ISIS have a heck of a lot of catching up to do, illegally murdering people, hijacking the peaceful Muslims that dont preach hate.
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The athiest atrocities fallacy 
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^ Doesn't exist.
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The Atheist Atrocities Fallacy: Micheal A Sherlock

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Religious apologists, particularly those of the Christian variety, are big fans of what I have dubbed, the atheist atrocities fallacy. Christians commonly employ this fallacy to shield their egos from the harsh reality of the brutality of their own religion, by utilizing a most absurd form of the tu quoque (“you too”) fallacy, mingled with numerous other logical fallacies and historical inaccuracies.  Despite the fact that the atheist atrocities fallacy has already been thoroughly exposed by Hitchens and other great thinkers, it continues to circulate amongst the desperate believers of a religion in its death throes.  Should an atheist present a believer with the crimes committed by the Holy See of the Inquisition(s), the Crusaders and other faith-wielding misanthropes, they will often hear the reply; “Well, what about Stalin, Pol Pot and Hitler? They were atheists, and they killed millions!”

Given the obstinate nature of religious faith and the wilful ignorance it cultivates in the mind of the believer, I am quite certain that this article will not be the final nail in this rancid and rotting coffin.  Having said this, I do hope it will contribute to the arsenal required by those who value reason, facts and evidence, in their struggle against the fallacies perpetually flaunted by those who do not value the truth above their own egocentric delusions, delusions inspired by an unquenchable thirst for security, no matter how frighteningly false its foundation.

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This has been well argued by notable atheists like Christopher Hitchins and  Richard Dawkins
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Wòhoo, must exist if it's beeb blathered about by those 2 and... um... 1 other?
Load of nonsense.
http://atheism-analyzed.blogspot.com.au/2015/02/the-atheist-case-against-existence-of.html?m=1
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So the only thing keeping religious people from being complete a-holes is fear of the judgement of Big Brother in the sky.Shocked Nasty.
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Sorry Stayer, the link you provided has no relevance to the Atheist Atrocities Fallacy.


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Sorry, make that the Atheist Atrocities Fallacy theory.
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"She's going through a growth phase." - GW
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Originally posted by Second Chance Second Chance wrote:

Sorry, make that the Atheist Atrocities Fallacy theory.

"Theory" I can deal with. PT stated it like it's an accepted thing. It's full of false premises, deflections etc.
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I've never been one who thought more or less of a person based upon their religion - in fact, one of the people whom I have the most respect for on this planet, is a Muslim "revert" ... however, I must say, based upon what I now know about the alleged "atheists" in TBV ... I'm going to decline the offer to join ... my rationale is simple - I really don’t want to belong to any club that will accept me as a memberWink

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With apologies to Groucho eh Doc!
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Originally posted by Dr E Dr E wrote:

I've never been one who thought more or less of a person based upon their religion - in fact, one of the people whom I have the most respect for on this planet, is a Muslim "revert" ... however, I must say, based upon what I now know about the alleged "atheists" in TBV ... I'm going to decline the offer to join ... my rationale is simple - I really don’t want to belong to any club that will accept me as a memberWink

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Originally posted by Dr E Dr E wrote:

I've never been one who thought more or less of a person based upon their religion - in fact, one of the people whom I have the most respect for on this planet, is a Muslim "revert" ... however, I must say, based upon what I now know about the alleged "atheists" in TBV ... I'm going to decline the offer to join ... my rationale is simple - I really don’t want to <span style="font-size: 12px;">belong to any club that will accept me as a member</span>Wink<span style="font-size: 12px;"></span>

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That first sentence......
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Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

Originally posted by Dr E Dr E wrote:

I've never been one who thought more or less of a person based upon their religion - in fact, one of the people whom I have the most respect for on this planet, is a Muslim "revert" ... however, I must say, based upon what I now know about the alleged "atheists" in TBV ... I'm going to decline the offer to join ... my rationale is simple - I really don’t want to belong to any club that will accept me as a memberWink

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No, he is just an associate member of the TBV God-Squad. They will have anyone who agrees with them....until they don't.  
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I have a perpetual membership!Wink
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Imam Tawhidi

He warns we're facing an infestation of radical clerics, and he's called for Islamic schools to be shut down. But Mohammed Tawhidi has a mysterious history that sits awkwardly alongside his new image as reformer-in-chief of Islam in Australia.

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This is the only other time the ABC has bothered to comment on this guy ... typical balanced ABC opinion piece ... pleeeeez!

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This is the guy that the ABC backs, not that other imposter! ... the Grand Mufti - who jokes about Jihad, one week after fatal Islamic Attacks in Melbourne and London (to name a few) ... who has lived in Australia for 20 years, but refused to learn to speak English - why bother when the plan Grand Plan is an Islamic State within Australia ... ooops, who said that!!!

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