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    Posted: 27 May 2017 at 11:19pm
Alright we have seen many threads created talking about this issue concerning certain shows or personalities, but for me to comment on the bias which some viewers see, I need you to nominate the bias (whether it is promoting the same sex agenda, multiculturalism or climate change or any of the other liberal social/political issues) which there is a perceived bias. I would also like an example so we can discuss the bias or lack thereof.

The issue I will start with is climate change. This issue is a liberal darling and one of the modern jewels in the liberal crown.

The ABC are perceived in the mainstream media as biased towards the acceptance of this issue even at the detriment of our national economy.

Now I have seen this issue be discussed on Landline, Q&A (if you call that a report), Four Corners, Catalyst and 7.30 report. In all the reports I have seen, the issue has been dealt with in an analytical manner. So what I am saying is the report has highlighted a consequence of climate change, the report has then given scientific reasons, backed up with real practical evidence of climate change, and then the report has talked to people who are experiencing the changes (drought or more frequent severe weather patterns) and then used the dreaded forward projections of what might happen. Now this last area of each report is the one which has no scientific basis and is usually the area of the report that critics of either the ABC and/or climate change use to say the report was biased, such as in the case of Tim Flannery when he said the desalination facility was needed for Sydney, because in twenty years Sydney would need a alternate source of water due to global warming.

I feel the mainstream pundits such as Bolt, Hadley and the like seem to have a warped view of bias and what the ABC is there to do. The ABC is not there to be totally unbiased. If they have a report which is considered biased towards one view of an issue, then they usually allow the other side to go on one of the shows and make their case (again this act is perceived as only windo dressing and in the case of interviews the ABC presenter is considered biased when they respond to inaccurate or plain false statements by the respondent, once again reinforcing bias perception. Also Bolt and Hadley and others, are biased in their views and statements as well, so is it okay for them to push one point of view on their viewers listeners or readers, but if anyone else does it or at least they think they do it, it is all of a sudden the wrong thing to do.

The idea of a free media is for reports to have both sides of the issue. The public then do their own research and then decide which side is correct. When you have Tony Jones, Leigh Sales, Bolt or Hadley trying to brainwash their audience they start becoming the insidious control freaks of the novel 1984 and the animated series V For Vendetta or using a real life example, Vladimir Putin.

   
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A very good question VOYAGER and I'm best out of it really.
Main reason is I refuse to watch any of their programmes in recent times.
Flannery is a dirty word for starters and The Greyhounds farce was filmed many years before they aired it .
The Royal Commission they sparked in the NT is one of my great laughs in life .    As I worked many years in areas where similar practices were a must ( 2 Royal Commissions were held during my years there )
( The Schedule 5 Psychiatric Centres )
Nothing untoward was uncovered , the same as will happen In the NT.
   People must understand how difficult it is for those working on the front line to contain dangerous offenders.
Unfortunately , these days, too many of these people are out there in the community.   The reason for our truly unsafe society.
I switched the ABC off , Immediately Stan Grant went there . Enough said.

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Climate Change is a liberal darling. Jesus f'n Christ.. ... didn't bother reading past that nonsense.
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The ABC is irrelevant and unnecessary ... why do we need a Government owned broadcaster when we have a thousand free to air TV options, and then pay TV on top of that, and they reach every corner of the country?

SBS is even less relevant today, since it was only introduced to pander to the immigrants, and they can get anything they like in their own language on the internet - or just learn to speak English.

How is it fair to the rest of the broadcasting industry to have to fight for ratings ($'s) against a fully subsidised entity.

Privatise the ABC and SBS, get some cash, and also save about $1.5 billion a year - more than we are going to get from the Bank Tax, and we will not be paying for it ... which we will with the Bank Tax!

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Who even watches it now ? Its so full of bs and political fluff,  you would need to be one of these uni flag wavers to even bother going there.  So biased its not even amusing.
Why have a govnt funded out of touch mob like that ?
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Lol, you miss out on some truly brilliant and vital TV. Last fortnights 4 Corners will win award after award. No commercial network could have done the job as well. Fact.
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Originally posted by acacia alba acacia alba wrote:

Who even watches it now ? Its so full of bs and political fluff,  you would need to be one of these uni flag wavers to even bother going there.  So biased its not even amusing.
Why have a govnt funded out of touch mob like that ?
 
How would you know? Just more baseless rhetoric you picked up on your talkback radio or from Blot, Kenny and co....
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I think the ABC is basically outstanding. I do not agree with everything and do not like all their shows but as a whole, I like them, like them a lot.





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How would I know ?  You seriously think because I dont believe all the stuff you do, that I live a sheltered life, dont you ?
Not all of us think like you do, and you know what ?
That doesnt make you any smarter than me.
I dont do talkback radio. I get enough rubbish from TBV to last me without listening to that waffle.
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Same, Djebel. Only terrestrial TV I watch is ABC and occasionally SBS.
I don't like every show either (I abhor Q&A) but love most of their current affairs, local comedies (Rosehaven was simply brilliant) and great docos on ABC 2.
Australia would be a far dumber place without the ABC.
 
 
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Originally posted by acacia alba acacia alba wrote:

How would I know ?  You seriously think because I dont believe all the stuff you do, that I live a sheltered life, dont you ?
Not all of us think like you do, and you know what ?
That doesnt make you any smarter than me.
I dont do talkback radio. I get enough rubbish from TBV to last me without listening to that waffle.
 
Yes, how would you know? You said you don't watch it.
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Acacia, You would be doing yourself a great favour by listening to ABC Radio National. Outstanding radio.

If you are going to watch current affair style programs the ABC are the one to watch. They are not the Sensationalist bullgelati you get on commercial TV.

The problem with right wingers is, they do not like facts, They like sensation.




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It has hard right IPA shills on the reg. But as a network, it loves left leaning cult topics.

its far better than tabloid tv though.
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their sports reporting is LOL.

other than roy masters, OFFSIDERS, is classic uni style dressmaker commentary on sport. they only see sports through an intellectual lens. they analyse a footy or cricket match like david stratton does a movie.

gerard whatley is a piss take. how does anyone take him seriously?
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If it's so good, why are taxpayers subsidising it?

Privatise it and make some money.

Set legislation to ensure we retain minimum Australian content, and sell it off!Thumbs Up

Surely SBS can go regardless, it serves no purpose.
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Cause privatizing everything else has gone so well
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Originally posted by Dr E Dr E wrote:

If it's so good, why are taxpayers subsidising it?

Privatise it and make some money.

Set legislation to ensure we retain minimum Australian content, and sell it off!Thumbs Up

Surely SBS can go regardless, it serves no purpose.

We are rightfully warned by Gay to stay civilised, You make it very difficult to do so at times.




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Originally posted by cabosanlucas cabosanlucas wrote:

their sports reporting is LOL.

other than roy masters, OFFSIDERS, is classic uni style dressmaker commentary on sport. they only see sports through an intellectual lens. they analyse a footy or cricket match like david stratton does a movie.

gerard whatley is a piss take. how does anyone take him seriously?
 
They don't have a sports department anymore, thanks to Turnbull and his cutbacks.
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Originally posted by Dr E Dr E wrote:

If it's so good, why are taxpayers subsidising it?

Privatise it and make some money.

Set legislation to ensure we retain minimum Australian content, and sell it off!Thumbs Up

Surely SBS can go regardless, it serves no purpose.
 
 
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I only watch the ABC for Play School. Noni Hazelhurst is my favourite
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Originally posted by subastral subastral wrote:

Same, Djebel. Only terrestrial TV I watch is ABC and occasionally SBS.
I don't like every show either (I abhor Q&A) but love most of their current affairs, local comedies (Rosehaven was simply brilliant) and great docos on ABC 2.
Australia would be a far dumber place without the ABC.
 
 

Imagine television if there was no ABC or SBS.Shocked It would be like being stuck in a lift with Ray Hadley and Alan Jones.
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Originally posted by Magnolian Khan Magnolian Khan wrote:

I only watch the ABC for Play School. Noni Hazelhurst is my favourite


benita collings. she was 'clare' in 'the restless years' - i think she played the role of a piss pot from memory
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Originally posted by Tlazolteotl Tlazolteotl wrote:

Originally posted by subastral subastral wrote:

Same, Djebel. Only terrestrial TV I watch is ABC and occasionally SBS.
I don't like every show either (I abhor Q&A) but love most of their current affairs, local comedies (Rosehaven was simply brilliant) and great docos on ABC 2.
Australia would be a far dumber place without the ABC.
 
 

Imagine television if there was no ABC or SBS.Shocked It would be like being stuck in a lift with Ray Hadley and Alan Jones.

LOL That is not a pleasant thought. Add Bolt, Chris Kenny, Miranda Devine, Cabo and Dr E and you have hell on earth!!
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Originally posted by acacia alba acacia alba wrote:

Who even watches it now ? Its so full of bs and political fluff,  you would need to be one of these uni flag wavers to even bother going there.  So biased its not even amusing.
Why have a govnt funded out of touch mob like that ?


there it is the big problem you have, you don't like their political views
 so you boycott the entire channel, missing out on many great shows Confused

This discussion seemsto be about talk, political, current affairs shows, what about the outstanding drama ?

People like Dr E and AA to make a stupid point are missing out on great stuff aalthouh i think the doc smeaks a look every now and then Smile
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Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

Originally posted by Dr E Dr E wrote:

If it's so good, why are taxpayers subsidising it?

Privatise it and make some money.

Set legislation to ensure we retain minimum Australian content, and sell it off!Thumbs Up

Surely SBS can go regardless, it serves no purpose.

We are rightfully warned by Gay to stay civilised, You make it very difficult to do so at times.


What is "uncivilised" about that?

We can't fund education or health care adequately, but the bed wetters have a tantrum if we suggest that the the parasitic socialists at the ABC sheltered workshop and the completely superfluous SBS, are forced off the public tit?Confused
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Originally posted by Whale Whale wrote:

Originally posted by acacia alba acacia alba wrote:

Who even watches it now ? Its so full of bs and political fluff,  you would need to be one of these uni flag wavers to even bother going there.  So biased its not even amusing.
Why have a govnt funded out of touch mob like that ?


there it is the big problem you have, you don't like their political views
 so you boycott the entire channel, missing out on many great shows Confused

This discussion seemsto be about talk, political, current affairs shows, what about the outstanding drama ?

People like Dr E and AA to make a stupid point are missing out on great stuff aalthouh i think the doc smeaks a look every now and then Smile

Whale, I acknowledge that there is some fantastic content on ABC, and maccamax will vouch for the soft porn on SBS (although "World Movies" is now a Foxtel channel anyway) ... so it will clearly survive and thrive in a commercial environment, and we will be BILLIONS of dollars better off. The only concern is for the amount of local production that they are responsible for, and that can easily be legislated for.

... it's hardly an essential service, unless you are the ALP and rely on it for your marketing ...
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Anhs brush with fame isnt too bad a show. but just once he should get the guest to close their eyes and then he turns around his portrait to reveal blobs of paint all mixed together. and say "how do u like it?"

Charlie pickering is up himself, big time. not a fan.
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We pay nothing for quality TV, 8 cents a day and it is an essential service. Commercial TV is absolute tripe. Look at 60 Minutes, ACA etc with their Schapelle and Cassie coverage compared to 4 Corners and their greyhound expose and Lindt siege coverage. 
Funny Doc complains about losing our culture in reference to muslims, but fails to see how much culture we would lose with the death of the ABC.
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Originally posted by cabosanlucas cabosanlucas wrote:

Anhs brush with fame isnt too bad a show. but just once he should get the guest to close their eyes and then he turns around his portrait to reveal blobs of paint all mixed together. and say "how do u like it?"

Charlie pickering is up himself, big time. not a fan.


Anh tries a little too hard to illicit tears for my liking. 
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