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Was The Grenfell Tower Tragedy an Arson attack??

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    Posted: 16 Jun 2017 at 2:45am
The media, havent even uttered the word Arson, since the blaze.
For a Fire??

Ummmmmmm?????
That is UNPRECEDENTED
To not say it once. All day the term, "Possible arson Attack", was avoided

Why??????????
London has the MOST CCTV FOOTAGE IN THE WORLD, and this is an upmarket suburb

Accident or ARSON?????

Why, when typing in the net, was this possibly an arson attack, this is the only source asking the same question?????????



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Please post any links of media asking if this was a possible Arson attack
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If it was arson, they'l find out. Fire investigators are brilliant at finding the cause and origin of a fire. police have their own fire investigators too..they work in callaboration. if an excellerant was used, they'l know.

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Apparently it's not terror related
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Even if it is arson that's not the point- the fire spreading like a brush fire is the point. An arsonous fire or any other fire should be restricted to the floor it starts on.
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Originally posted by Tlazolteotl Tlazolteotl wrote:

Even if it is arson that's not the point- the fire spreading like a brush fire is the point. An arsonous fire or any other fire should be restricted to the floor it starts on.


in a perfect scenario, yes. but then it all gets back to building code, fire safety standards, building materials etc. the building code is often flaunted because builders dont actually do the building...they sub contract out the work. and to get the job...sub contractors use cheap and unsafe products. the whole process needs to be reviewed and changed so it doesnt matter who is doing the building...it must meet the highest of standards. thats how it use to be.

uk labor are saying this is corporate criminality. and dont forget boris johnson was the london mayor who closed fire stations ...as mike baird did for a while in nsw before the fbeu led campaign forced him to stop it.

play with fire and you get burned. tragic story that could have largely been prevented.

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There is already a thread about the fire, you could ask the question there.  But of course you need to highlight your nutty conspiracy theories as usual, off your meds are you, been posting frenetic, crazy stuff lately Confused
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So whale, are you labelling the media "Conspiracy Theorists", for every single day there is a fire in Australia, they ask if it was an accident or arson??

How do you know this Grenfell Fire wasnt deliberately lit??

Will we see CCTV footage pre-fire.

Theres so many questions.

But at the very least, the one basic every day fire question, isnt being asked, Accident or Arson
Its duty to ask the question, as we do for EVERY fire, daily.


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I saw a report that said some residents said a faulty fridge sparked and started it, and it went whoosh .
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I'm sure there are more fires from electrical accidents than from arson.  
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Originally posted by Redemption Redemption wrote:

So whale, are you labelling the media "Conspiracy Theorists", for every single day there is a fire in Australia, they ask if it was an accident or arson??

How do you know this Grenfell Fire wasnt deliberately lit??

Will we see CCTV footage pre-fire.

Theres so many questions.

But at the very least, the one basic every day fire question, isnt being asked, Accident or Arson
Its duty to ask the question, as we do for EVERY fire, daily.




total garbage, in every case of fire the cause is determined by authorities, they always investigate whether it was an accident,arson or other causes. they certainly do their job and don't need your help
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My understanding is this block was the UK version of Housing Commission overlooking a wealthy area of London . The rich people had wanted it prettied up cause they had to look at it. They'd recently reclad it and were also in the process of redoing the gas lines.

The big question is what material did they reclad this building in? Cheap Chinese import? Cause if that's the case our cities here are in big trouble because most of our high rise buildings are clad in the same stuff. Despite the fact that we have Australian products that will not burn the developers have gone for the cheap import.

It will take billions of dollars to fix these buildings Australia wide. Who pays for it? The developers? The authorities that signed off on the building? It's a mess and I'm very glad that I don't live in a multi storey apartment block!

I also think that in this day and age it's amazing that we haven't come up with some method to fight these high rise fires effectively. Simply saying the fire hoses don't reach that high doesn't seem good enough!
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Oh, no- I've just paid $1.2 million for an 65 square metres 1 bedroom 20th floor off the plan sh*tbox in Sydney- will I be safe?Confused
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Originally posted by Tlazolteotl Tlazolteotl wrote:

Oh, no- I've just paid $1.2 million for an 65 square metres 1 bedroom 20th floor off the plan sh*tbox in Sydney- will I be safe?Confused


lol and in the advertising they say spacious apartment Confused

seriously though if you want an inner city apartment, off the plan especially, now is a great time. Chinese defaults will be many, you can negotiate maybe 30 % or more discount with desperate developers
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No point negotiating if the property never gets built. Off the plan would be a massive risk right now.
 
 
Why is this pathetic nutjob conspiracy theory thread seeing the light of day? I take it Redemption has priors in this field?
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Originally posted by ThreeBears ThreeBears wrote:

No point negotiating if the property never gets built. Off the plan would be a massive risk right now.
 
 
Why is this pathetic nutjob conspiracy theory thread seeing the light of day? I take it Redemption has priors in this field?


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Originally posted by Baguette Baguette wrote:

My understanding is this block was the UK version of Housing Commission overlooking a wealthy area of London . The rich people had wanted it prettied up cause they had to look at it. They'd recently reclad it and were also in the process of redoing the gas lines.

The big question is what material did they reclad this building in? Cheap Chinese import? Cause if that's the case our cities here are in big trouble because most of our high rise buildings are clad in the same stuff. Despite the fact that we have Australian products that will not burn the developers have gone for the cheap import.

It will take billions of dollars to fix these buildings Australia wide. Who pays for it? The developers? The authorities that signed off on the building? It's a mess and I'm very glad that I don't live in a multi storey apartment block!

I also think that in this day and age it's amazing that we haven't come up with some method to fight these high rise fires effectively. Simply saying the fire hoses don't reach that high doesn't seem good enough!


This building didnt have a sprinkler system installed.

apparently the cladding used contained a flammable material (like a foam) and cost $22. the fire resistant panel cost $24. (Uk pounds)

the $5000 saving for the whole building has largely been responsible for the way the fire behaved.

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Listening again on BBC last night the Melbourne fire took 11 minutes to spread from the
8 th floor to the 23 rd due to highly inflammable cladding ( product of china) the sprinkler system kicking in was what stopped this from becoming a major tragedy, there has been a federal inquiry but as with a lot of below par products from this rorting country it seems to having quietly faded away, I detest anything from this country and do my best to avoid it.
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What an incredible offering in the face of this tragedy.OuchConfused
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Why can haters never get the spelling correct? Much like when they sl*g Waleed...
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Originally posted by subastral subastral wrote:

Why can haters never get the spelling correct? Much like when they sl*g Waleed...


agree. waleed ali deserves better.
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Originally posted by subastral subastral wrote:

Why can haters never get the spelling correct? Much like when they sl*g Waleed...

You mean we cant call him Wally ??  LOL

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London fire: Death toll rises as police announce criminal investigation



I guess the London police read this thread Clown

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part of boris johnsons fire station cuts meant an aerial appliance (ladder platform) was taken off line. and they had to call for one from surrey.

same situation has happened here in nsw...two aerial appliances have been taken off line recently in the sydney metro, now sitting in a shed collecting dust. its madness and puts lives and property at risk all in the name of budget savings.
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