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    Posted: 07 May 2019 at 9:02am
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'I'm a card-carrying capitalist': Why money is still king for Warren Buffett

It is called "Woodstock for Capitalists" for a reason.

More than 40,000 investors descended on Omaha this past weekend for Berkshire Hathaway's annual meeting, in celebration of an economic model that has come under attack over the past year by political leaders like Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez as well as billionaires who warn that capitalism could lead to "class warfare."The most prominent face of capitalism - Warren Buffett, the avuncular founder of Berkshire and the fourth wealthiest person in the world, worth some $US89 billion ($127 billion) - appeared to distance himself from many of his peers, who have been apologising for capitalism of late.

"I'm a card-carrying capitalist," Buffett said. "I believe we wouldn't be sitting here except for the market system," he added, extolling the state of the economy. "I don't think the country will go into socialism in 2020 or 2040 or 2060."There is something oddly refreshing about Buffett's frankness.Many of today's business leaders appear to publicly wring their hands over the state of inequality or take moral stands on public policy issues. But when it comes to offering up concrete solutions and actually making the hard decisions that could affect their bottom lines, they have much less to say.

Some billionaires agonise about inequality and the education system, for example, but don't push for higher taxes on the wealthy to help pay for fixes (one of Buffett's preferred remedies). A raft of chief executives who boycotted going to Saudi Arabia after the murder of Jamal Khashoggi last year quickly returned to doing business with the kingdom when the headlines died down.

Buffett's moral code is one of being direct, even when it is not politically correct. In his plain-spoken way, Buffett, a longtime Democrat, acknowledged that the goal of capitalism was "to be more productive all the time, which means turning out the same number of goods with fewer people or churning out more goods, with the same number," he said.

"That is capitalism." Two years ago at the same meeting, he bluntly said, "I'm afraid a capitalist system will always hurt some people."In some ways, Buffett may be misunderstood. He is often looked to by his supporters as the conscience of capitalism. And in many ways he is - railing against hedge fund fees and private equity and raising questions about what he considers the ills of business.

But at his core, he believes that the pursuit of capitalism is fundamentally moral - that it creates and produces prosperity and progress even when there are immoral actors and even when it creates inequality.

Asked about the backlash against capitalism, Buffett and his partner, Charlie Munger, went so far as to dismiss the growing movement among investors and policymakers to fix it by focusing on environmental, social and governance initiatives - known as ESG. Buffett appeared to suggest that the movement is largely virtue-signaling and ultimately counterproductive.

"We are not going to tie up resources doing things just because it is the standard procedure in corporate America," Buffett said.Munger added: "When it comes to so-called best corporate practices, I think the people that talk about them don't really know what the best practices are. They determine that on what will sell, not what will work." He added: "I like our way of doing things better than theirs and I hope to God we never follow their best practices."

In its filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission, Berkshire explicitly states that it does not consider diversity when hiring board members: "Berkshire does not have a policy regarding the consideration of diversity in identifying nominees for director. In identifying director nominees, the Governance Committee does not seek diversity, however defined. Instead, as previously discussed, the Governance Committee looks for individuals who have very high integrity, business-savvy, an owner-oriented attitude and a deep genuine interest in the company."

(Buffett did say that Berkshire's energy business was focused on generating 100 percent of its energy in Iowa from wind energy, but it was also clear that was a business decision, not one made for moral or public relations reasons.)

He even backed companies and executives that have fallen into disrepute. He said Wells Fargo, one of Berkshire's largest holdings, had made "mistakes" but defended its former chief executive, Tim Sloan, and contended he was unfairly sacrificed for political reasons. Sloan was pushed out as regulators cracked down on the bank after a series of scandals.ome people will read those comments as a setback for those who are trying to push business to be more progressive, inclusive and diverse.

And to some extent, it is a genuine setback that he doesn't use his soapbox in such a way.

But there is also an underlying truth to many of Buffett's words - ones that even the do-gooders among us may heed. For example, Buffett made a persuasive argument that the obsession among corporate governance experts with appointing so-called independent directors to company boards was one of the great hoaxes perpetrated on public investors.

"The independent directors in many cases are the least independent," Buffett said. He explained that many independent directors need the money that comes with being a director, usually an annual fee of about $US250,000. "They aren't going to upset the apple cart," he said, explaining that these independent directors get put on the compensation committee because they can be controlled.How in the world is that independent?" Buffett exclaimed. "You don't get invited to be on your boards if you belch too often at the dinner table."

One prominent chief executive I spoke with after the meeting said he wished he could speak as bluntly as Buffett. He said in this politically sensitive climate, he often has to tiptoe around controversial topics and at least nod at the societal concern of the moment.

Therein lies the truth of the particular moment that the business community faces and one that, at least so far, Buffett, at age 88, may be immune from.

And so while Buffett may have missed an opportunity to use his perch, he comes to his views of a just business world honestly.

The New York Timeshttps://www.watoday.com.au/business/markets/i-m-a-card-carrying-capitalist-why-money-is-still-king-for-warren-buffett-20190506-p51kfo.html

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I don't know if you realise but Buffett is a card carrying Democrat as well . He was a big supporter of Obama and Clinton . I think some some people confuse socialism with a social democracy as seen in Scandinavia. 
 America will never be a Socialist country but they have disenfranchised a generation of poorer young people exactly the same as we have done here in Australia . 
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Did you read the article?
The democrat bit hasnt stopped me from posting this piece. Confusing isnt it mr p.
Sounds like trump speaking.

he believes that the pursuit of capitalism is fundamentally moral - that it creates and produces prosperity and progress even when there are immoral actors and even when it creates inequality.

even the do-gooders among us may heed. For example, Buffett made a persuasive argument that the obsession among corporate governance experts with appointing so-called independent directors to company boards was one of the great hoaxes perpetrated on public investors.

went so far as to dismiss the growing movement among investors and policymakers to fix it by focusing on environmental, social and governance initiatives - known as ESG. Buffett appeared to suggest that the movement is largely virtue-signaling and ultimately counterproductive.

"Berkshire does not have a policy regarding the consideration of diversity in identifying nominees for director. In identifying director nominees, the Governance Committee does not seek diversity, however defined. Instead, as previously discussed, the Governance Committee looks for individuals who have very high integrity, business-savvy, an owner-oriented attitude and a deep genuine interest in the company.

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“No, no, it's about the economy and society,” said Keating.

“The economy is there for society. The Liberals have nothing to offer. You know, I'm surprised how threadbare their program is. If you look, there is no panorama. There's no vista. There's no shape... And what's their plea? Trickle down economics and a tax cut five years away.”

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Originally posted by Isaac soloman Isaac soloman wrote:

Did you read the article?
The democrat bit hasnt stopped me from posting this piece. Confusing isnt it mr p.
Sounds like trump speaking.

he believes that the pursuit of capitalism is fundamentally moral - that it creates and produces prosperity and progress even when there are immoral actors and even when it creates inequality.

even the do-gooders among us may heed. For example, Buffett made a persuasive argument that the obsession among corporate governance experts with appointing so-called independent directors to company boards was one of the great hoaxes perpetrated on public investors.

went so far as to dismiss the growing movement among investors and policymakers to fix it by focusing on environmental, social and governance initiatives - known as ESG. Buffett appeared to suggest that the movement is largely virtue-signaling and ultimately counterproductive.

"Berkshire does not have a policy regarding the consideration of diversity in identifying nominees for director. In identifying director nominees, the Governance Committee does not seek diversity, however defined. Instead, as previously discussed, the Governance Committee looks for individuals who have very high integrity, business-savvy, an owner-oriented attitude and a deep genuine interest in the company.


And it is the same with trying to get an independent governance of racing.


reductio ad absurdum
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Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

“No, no, it's about the economy and society,” said Keating.

“The economy is there for society. The Liberals have nothing to offer. You know, I'm surprised how threadbare their program is. If you look, there is no panorama. There's no vista. There's no shape... And what's their plea? Trickle down economics and a tax cut five years away.”


Is that Paul Keating, or Keats the poet?

The economy? That is the libs mantra.

I thought it was about the climate.......
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Isaac , I don't think it's confusing or sounding like Trump , it probably comes down to your definition of capitalism . We all tend to pigeon hole people who say things we disagree with . 

 As far as his opinion on independant boards on companies , the companies with founder lead boards all with significant holdings in the company they are directing , seem to work best . 
  Boards with independent directors who don't understand the business seem to do poorly . 
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Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

“No, no, it's about the economy and society,” said Keating.

“The economy is there for society. The Liberals have nothing to offer. You know, I'm surprised how threadbare their program is. If you look, there is no panorama. There's no vista. There's no shape... And what's their plea? Trickle down economics and a tax cut five years away.”


Is the old man becoming confused?

Having unsuccessfully removed Neg Gearing himself, and having to acknowledge it's value, by reinstating it in a heartbeat, and having cut corporate tax rates and increased tax receipts, because of "trickle down economics" - policies that Shorten and Labor believed in until they saw the opportunity to virtue signal ... and of course this;

Paul Keating said of Bill Shorten's Labor Party that “it has lost the ability to speak aspirationally to people and to fashion policies to meet those aspirations”.

... oh dear ... all over the place, like a mad woman's gelati!Embarrassed



In reference to every post in the Trump thread ... "There may have been a tiny bit of license taken there" ... Ok, Thanks for the "heads up" PT!
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Is this piece written by a Buffet supporter?

1. The reason the economic system has come under attack over the last decade is the huge number and unending, array of corruption, tax avoidance and market manipulation which ahs occurred, and which all really took off with the sub-prime crisis, a situation where even using Buffets own model the government should have let the money lenders fall over, because they do not want the government to interfere with their businesses. Any individual or organisation who thinks that the people, the corporations, and their actions, which contributed to that scenario, are moral and ethical, is deluded.
2. There is something refreshing about his openness. Really? The guy is just about untouchable on Wall Street, and he has earnt his reputation, but I do not think he is acting bravely, he is doing what every person should do.
3. No surprise that chief executives have gone back doing business with the House of Saud. I mean it was the nation who supplied most of those who committed the 9/11 attacks and no stop in business happened after that, mind you a lot of Americans and Australians mae fortunes operating in Japan after the second world war.
4. Buffet succinctly explained the flaw in capitalism. The centerpiece of capitalism is to produce more and more in an inefficient manner, which in the end will result in most corporations looking for unethical and illegal methods to continue to expand the profits. An example of this is how the American manufacturing industry is a shadow of it's former self, and how the central American and south east Asian sweat shops are now the supplier, at a lower cost, which results in and increase to corporations profits.
5. I am afraid a capitalist society will always hurt some people within society. And here ladies and gentleman, is the reason why Australia has universal health care and an unemployment benefit, and this is why you never want to get sick in the US, and why you never ever want to be unemployed there either. Capitalism's wealth does not reach everyone, just look at our current situation with our farmers, who are all hard workers, maybe some do not know good farming practice, but that is another story, and so the government, has an obligation, a 100% obligation, to safeguard citizens who do not share in that wealth.
6. He dismisses the current initiatives to try and reform the capitalist structure. Now this is a fair point, but it has been shown many, many times, that if the corporate and business sector are left to do business with no oversight, they fall into bad practices. I agree that some of the actual remedies, announced or put forward are just political correctness dressing up as real solutions, but oversight is always needed, on past experience.
7. He says that some people who talk about best corporate practice, do not understand what those practices are. Fair enough, but he then says they talk about practices on what will sell not what will work. But he does not say what the current practices do to benefit society, or which section of society is benefitted. The accumulation of personal wealth of the top 1% of citizens, does nothing to assist the lowest 20% of the society!
8. The point about Berkley's committee appointments is to me a valid one, I do not believe in quotas or affirmative action, but it just perpetuates a old white man image that wall street still has, but obviously wall street does not care about that so move on.
9. Almost apologising for how Tim Sloan was treated, but for mine he got what he deserved, do the crime do the time, and while it is not a case as bad as murder, what he did, deserved what he got.
10. Completely agree with him on the independent directors. As part of the board of our local community radio station, I am glad we do not pay our independent member, who is a councillor on the local council, because we receive correct and straight forward advice or recommendations. If you have an independent member of a committee, who is only receiving income from being a committee member, then how can the independent member, be truly independent.

In finishing I would just like to say that a fully capitalist society is not the best way to structure an economy. China and India have booming economies, and they have achieved this through having a nationalised and free market economic system working alongside each other, but obviously one could argue they are special circumstances.

If you want to see how a capitalist economy is not the best way to go, then just watch some videos of travelers who travel through the former soviet nations, where oligarchs and corrupt governments have squandered the opportunities that their nations have acquired, for their own pockets.

When you see them, you will understand why some of the people who live in these countries, long for a return to the soviet way!
      

     
Remember, it might take intelligence to be smart , but it takes experience to be wise
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