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Geraldo
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Posted: 13 Sep 2014 at 7:48am |
Bit of a stupid question from me.
How does a youngish stallion like War Front become a boom stallion. I suppose he must stamp his offspring quite well. However, he was more G2 than G1 himself. He's got 5 G1 winners so far, which isn't a lot, but maybe quite good for a stallion that started from modest beginnings. Started out at $12,500,and as recently as 2011 was $15,000. Now $150,000. Obviously getting better mares now. Getting a lot of support from Coolmore, but there must always be an underbidder, pushing up the high prices Coolmore pay for War Fronts. I suppose the question I'm trying to ask is, are the people who are paying the high prices know what they're doing, when I already know the answer is yes. |
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Geraldo
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Barbara D. Livingston War Front stands at Claiborne Farm in Paris, Ky. Leading Kentucky general sire by average earnings War Front enjoyed a breakout season in 2013, and his success has helped attract even better mares to his court, so the best could be yet to come for the young sire. The 12-year-old Danzig horse, standing at Claiborne Farm in Paris, Ky., checked in fifth on the general sire list – his first time in the top 10 – and was Kentucky’s leading sire by average progeny earnings per starter in 2013. His runners averaged $77,441 to best runner-up Into Mischief’s $70,493. War Front also was Kentucky’s leading juvenile sire by average earnings in 2014, with $67,534. Second was Lane’s End’s pensioned stallion A.P. Indy, whose final crop of 2-year-olds averaged $61,733 per runner. War Front’s season was fueled by European standouts Declaration of War and War Command. Declaration of War captured the Queen Anne Stakes at Royal Ascot and the Juddmonte International, both Group 1 events, before finishing a close third in the Breeders’ Cup Classic in his first start on dirt. War Command was a Group 1-winning juvenile in England and a Group 2 winner in Ireland. In addition to War Command, War Front’s top juveniles of 2013 included Grade 2 winner Bashart and stakes winners Diamond Bachelor and Giovanni Boldini. All of those successes were on turf, helping War Front place second on the average turf earnings list at $40,940 behind leading general sire Kitten’s Joy at $47,423. That stallion had 174 runners on turf to War Front’s 80. War Front’s other standouts in 2013 included Departing, a three-time graded stakes winner on dirt; prior Grade 1 winner Data Link, who added the Grade 3 Canadian Turf Stakes to his credentials; multiple graded turf stakes winner Summer Front; and Lines of Battle, the winner of the Group 2 U.A.E. Derby on synthetic. That versatility has been a hallmark of War Front’s stallion career. “Versatility-wise, [War Front’s progeny] run long, they run short, they win as 2-year-olds, 3-year-olds, as older horses,” Bernie Sams, bloodstock manager at Claiborne, said. “It doesn’t matter if they’re sprinting or going two turns. The fact that [they have won on] dirt, turf, and synthetic is pretty remarkable and just shows you how good a sire he really is.” Racing as a homebred for longtime Claiborne client Joseph Allen, War Front was a standout sprinter on dirt, taking the Grade 2 Alfred G. Vanderbilt Handicap and placing twice in Grade 1 events. He entered stud in 2007 at Claiborne for a modest fee of $12,500 and rapidly demonstrated an ability to move mares up. From his first crop, came Grade 2 winner Soldat, who was the first foal out of an unraced mare, while Grade 1 winners Summer Soiree and The Factor were the first stakes horses out of their respective dams. As War Front’s first runners debuted, his commercial popularity rose accordingly. Yearlings from his first two crops sold for an average of $36,065 at public auction; in 2011, the year after his first crop raced, that figure leapt to $204,251. Last year, he averaged $363,076, bolstered by a $2.5 million colt who topped the Keeneland September sale. War Front’s fee has risen at a parallel rate. From $10,000 for 2010, it jumped to $15,000 for 2011 and quadrupled to $60,000 for 2012. He stands for $150,000 this year, tied for the highest advertised fee in North America. According to The Jockey Club’s statistics, War Front averaged 86 mares in each of his first four books. In the last three years, that figure has risen to an average of 103. Beyond increased quantity, War Front has added quality to his books, which read like a who’s who among prominent racemares and broodmares. The list includes Take Charge Lady (dam of Will Take Charge), Matlacha Pass (dam of Point of Entry), Playa Maya (dam of Uncle Mo), and a host of Grade/Group 1 winners topped by Zenyatta, who is due to deliver a War Front foal this spring. Already booked to War Front this year are 2011 Horse of the Year Havre de Grace, Kentucky Oaks winner Plum Pretty, and Betterbetterbetter, who topped the Fasig-Tipton Kentucky select fall mixed sale at $5.2 million in foal to the sire. All three are owned by Mandy Pope, a high-profile buyer of mares in recent years, in a show of support that will not be the only one from prominent breeders this year. |
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Geraldo
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Quite a remarkable Grade 1 winner for War Front.
Peace And War was so far in Britain little better than maiden class, but her maiden win was on the All Weather. $300,000 yearling. Goes and wins the first Grade 1 at Keeneland, on it's return to a dirt surface. Olly Stevens, the trainer, is little known in Britain. He had 17 winners last year, and 7 so far this season. He does however, have several horses for Qatar Racing. Well done on the Qatari Racing team.
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acacia alba
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now thats a hoot, because when i was in kentucky i got lucky and met War Front, and got a pic of me with him, so if he comes out and is the next best thing i can have bragging rights for years its always good to be able to produce a pic and casually say "oh yes thats me with,,,,".
and at the time i really had no idea about this horse, and didnt even know his breeding. since then i have taken quite an interest in him . so your posts are very interesting to me, Geraldo. please keep them coming. |
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progeny test
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AA, could you remember the size of War Front ? On Youtube and on the picture on this thread, he is about 15.2 / either that or the stallion handler is a giant. Makes a mockery of big being better ? !! Pinhooked a tiny little hussonet weaner couple of years ago, could only get $7500 in the ring and noticed she is the current "Track" record holder at Kempsey over 1000 metres. She was tiny! Image my shock less than 6 months later, she wins her first race as a 2 yr old, 1 week before Christmas !!! doing her last 600m in 32.8 at Scone! I was gobsmacked !! now she's won over $100000 She just turned 4 and still going strong. |
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acacia alba
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i think that handler in the above pic must be quite tall, because i just looked at a pic of me next to the horse , and while he certainly isnt big like All Too Hard, he isnt really pony size. Just comparing my pictures i would reckon he is about the same size as O'Reilly ?
just guessing, but he isnt another Rorys Jester size wise. not that size counted for much with R J ! at the time , when i didnt know much at all about this horse, i thought he was pretty plain, but looks dont mean much do they they offered us a photo op, and i never pass that up, in case the horse comes out a world beater , but i didnt really pay a lot of attention to him at the time. living in the area she races in, whats the little hussonet girl,s name ?
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acacia alba
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animals before people.
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whitt0
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Good lil Hussonet that one. Have to say he is turning into one of my fave sires
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Paul Hogan
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The David Boon of sires.
Every time he goes to the crease/breeding barn you know you will get 100%. |
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slowdown
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yes but how many cans can he drink in one flight Paul?......
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Paul Hogan
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Are yes achievements on and off the field! |
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Off and racing
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Wasn't Danehill and star kingdom not much over 15, Australia's 2 most dominant sires. Size doesn't matter.
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Gay3
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Northern Dancer, Hyperion & Star Kingdom, 3 pretty handy stallions
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Wisdom has been chasing me but I've always outrun it!
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acacia alba
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the only time size counts is in a man,s mind.
and that above pic of War Front is pretty ordinary . he looks much better than that furry little sway backed pony.
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Gay3
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Wisdom has been chasing me but I've always outrun it!
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acacia alba
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thanks Gay for that, and its not a very good pic either , as I said, I didnt make much effort with him at the time. I should have got him out of shade , and stood up properly . but you can get some idea of him with a handler who wasnt a tall bloke like the one above. the handler was about my height, which is 5 feet 6 inches in the old stuff, cant say what that converts to and its not an even surface as it slopes slightly forward to that drain in front.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wskVz3lvp48
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTk2VTjY4rw Looks 15.1 hands to me ? |
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acacia alba
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probably close, heroic.
over 15 but not 16 i am guessing.
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Geraldo
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Declaration Of War: son of War Front is now standing at Coolmore PICTURE: Mark Cranham (racingpost.com/photos)War Front stud fee unchanged at $150,000BY BLOODSTOCK WORLD STAFF9:19AM 9 OCT 2014 CLAIBORNE FARM resident War Front will stand for an unchanged fee of $150,000 next season, a figure that is almost double his fee in 2013, the year Group 1 winners Declaration Of War and War Command showcased his talents in Europe. The son of Danzig added another Grade 1 winner to his tally last week when smart juvenile filly Peace And War landed the Darley Alcibiades Stakes at Keeneland for Qatar Racing, earning her trainer Olly Stevens a first top-flight victory. War Front, who stood for $80,000 in 2013 and $60,000 in 2012, is currently returning an average price of 309,556gns at this season's yearling sales. Ten of 11 of Claiborne's stallions will stand for unchanged fees next year, with the exception of Breeders' Cup Classic winner Blame, whose fee is yet to be announced. His sire and studmate Arch will stand at $40,000, while Kentucky Derby hero Orb will be available at $25,000. Flatter and Trappe Shot, whose yearlings proved popular at the Keeneland September sale, will stand for $20,000 and $10,000 respectively. Announcing the fees, Claiborne stallion director Bernie Sams said: "Claiborne is committed to setting realistic stud fees. We value the support of the breeders, and thanks to them our stallions have had considerable success over the last few years." Claiborne Farm stallion fees Algorithms $7,500 Arch $40,000 Blame TBA Data Link $7,500 First Samurai $15,000 Flatter $20,000 Horse Greeley $2,500 Orb $25,000 Stroll $5,000 Trappe Shot $10,000 War Front $150,000 |
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Fleet Reveiw
Spirit of Valour US Navy Flag Intelligence Cross Obviously out here to continue the procession of War Front sons though local stud farms... are these four any better than The Factor, Declaration of War, Air Force Blue or The Brothers War?
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Gay3
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No need to wonder why so many of these breeding horses succumb to laminitis! There's no excuse for this
WAR FRONT - Sent to me by a friend. |
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Wisdom has been chasing me but I've always outrun it!
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Carioca
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Now That is not a good look imo , weak heel or not he is overdue for a " remove " .
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Gay3
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Terrible farriery is responsible for these! Foal feet don't start off looking like this but they deteriorate quickly with poor farriers, combined with shoes from an early age which don't allow for the foot to work naturally especially as it's growing untill they're 5yo.
A skilled farrier would have these feet back to normal angles in 8 or 9mths once a new capsule has grown down, it can easily be seen at the 1st inch how Nature is trying to correct the angle but can't due to human inadequacies. Forward Foot Syndrome is the most common foot issue seen in TBs, not helped by far too much starch/sugar & carbs The broodys are in an even worse situation having to carry the extra weight of foals year in, year out |
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Wisdom has been chasing me but I've always outrun it!
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Carioca
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And therein to warped bone structure , especially pasturns , i love a horse that stands up nice behind , that's why I like the Royal Ascot meetings when I stay up , they've got it right even if a lot have limited ability.
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War Front: Leading sire by average earnings, average juvenile earnings