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    Posted: 18 Jun 2008 at 11:21am

EQUIANO (FR) Bay colt 2005  

Acclamation
Bay 1999
Royal Applause
Bay 1993
Waajib
Bay 1983
Try My Best
Bay 1975
Northern Dancer
Sex Appeal
1961
1970
2-d
8-f
Coryana
Bay 1976
Sassafras
Rosolini
1967
1970
8-c
6-d
Flying Melody
Bay 1979
Auction Ring
Bay 1972
Bold Bidder
Hooplah
1962
1965
3-n
3-o
Whispering Star
Chestnut 1963
Sound Track
Peggy West
1957
1956
3-n
26>
Princess Athena
1985
Ahonoora
Chestnut 1975
Lorenzaccio
Chestnut 1965
Klairon
Phoenissa
1952
1951
1-w
5-h
Helen Nichols
Chestnut 1966
Martial
Quaker Girl
1957
1961
2-e
1-m
Shopping Wise
1965
Floribunda
Bay 1958
Princely Gift
Astrentia
1951
1953
13-a
1-o
Sea Melody
1957
Tudor Minstrel
Cowes
1944
1949
9-c
19-c
Entente Cordiale
Chestnut 1998
Ela-Mana-Mou
Bay 1976
Pitcairn
Bay 1971
Petingo
Bay 1965
Petition
Alcazar
1944
1957
16-h
22>
Border Bounty
Bay 1965
Bounteous
B Flat
1958
1958
14-f
7-a
Rose Bertin
Chestnut 1970
High Hat
Chestnut 1957
Hyperion
Madonna
1930
1945
6-e
2-o
Wide Awake
Bay 1964
Major Portion
Wake Island
1955
1959
8-c
3-g
Mirmande
1992
Kris
Chestnut 1976
Sharpen Up
Chestnut 1969
Atan
Rocchetta
1961
1961
2-f
5-i
Doubly Sure
Bay 1971
Reliance
Soft Angels
1962
1963
16-h
2-o
Secala
Chestnut 1975
Secretariat
Chestnut 1970
Bold Ruler
Somethingroyal
1954
1952
8-d
2-s
Aladancer
Chestnut 1968
Northern Dancer
Mock Orange
1961
1959
2-d
4-m
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STRIKE WHILST THE IRON IS HOT

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The richest man is not he who has the most, but he who needs the least.

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Where does he get his 1000m speed from ?
 
 
 


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Even though Acclamation's oldest are only 3yos (he was the leading first season sire in UK in 2007) I was interested to read Timeform's comment on him in Racehorses of 2007 where already they were of the view that:

" The predominant impression they give is one of possessing speed and there must be doubts about how many will be able to make a major mark at a mile, let another further". 

This is not so surprising given that Acclamation himself was a very good sprinter (he ran second in the Kings Stand Stakes BTW) and the key close up sires in his pedigree ie Royal Applause, Ahonoora & Floribunda were of the same ilk. Obviously that is where the speed comes from.

But, Equiano's dam is very stoutly bred, a daughter of the Professional chef-de-race Ela-Mana-Mou. From my Dosage studies, when a stallion such as Acclamation is an influence for pure Brilliance, often that brilliance dominates all other aptitudinal characteristics.

Think Rory's Jester, Vain & Todman who only sired a handful of SWs at beyond 1600m between them despite covering a fair proportion of stamina bred mares.

So, what I'm saying is that the brilliance of Acclamation has dominated the other factors in Equiano's pedigree.

The irony is that Acclamation's Dosage contribution to Equiano (and in fact to all of his progeny) is NIL !!!! There is not one chef in the top half of Equiano's pedigree within 4 generations.

His Dosage figures therefore read out as follows:

DP: 1-1-2-0-8

DI: 0.33

CD: -1.08

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Thanks for that John H.  Incredible stuff.

And of course Waajib stood here for a while and his best were Apache Cat (Adelaide Cup 3200m) and Lawyer (Norman Robinson 2000m).  Whereas his best in the UK was Royal Applause, a brillianty fast horse.
 
And Ela Mana Mou's best were all of course very sturdy including Double Trigger (Ascot Gold Cup, about 13 Goodwood Cups and of course well-known to Aussies, Sumayr (sire almost exclusively of stayers here and in NZ), Natski (Metrop etc) and the rather more brilliant Almaarad who himself could only claim a couple of staying stakeswinners in Oz and if memory serves ended up as a Jumper/hunter sire back in the UK.
 
So all things considered it to some considerable extent just throws conventional thinking into a cocked hat.  Confused
It's hard to soar with eagles...

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The way I see it, in Waajib's (a miler BTW and winner of the Queen Anne Stakes) particular case, his dam was by the Arc winner Sassafras (in turn by the Ascot Gold Cup winner Sheshoon) and his grand dam by the St Leger/Irish Derby winner Ragusa (by Ribot).

I suspect his dam's stamina laden pedigree played its part in his ability to sire middle (or longer) distance stayers here.

But when it comes to the next generation, via the key sire Royal Applause, note RA's dam is by another top class sprinter in Auction Ring and his grand dam by yet another total speed influence in Sound Track (by Whistler - yet another). And then in Acclamation's case, we have a further line-up of speed influences -  Ahonoora, Floribunda (by Princely Gift), and then the Brilliant chef-de-race Tudor Minstrel.

I guess what I'm trying to show, and to reinforce my original point, is how "Brilliance", in the Varola Dosage context,  can from time to time dominate other aptitudinal  forces.

Getting back to Equiano, I think if we factored in the speed influences (Dosage wise I mean) of Royal Applause, Ahonoora, Floribunda and maybe  Auction Ring, we would get a far more significant Dosage Profile than we now have.

And a well balanced one too, I hear Progold say.
 
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Interestingly for me if you look at the sibling reinforcements of both the 1st and 2nd horse (TOT) you can see a pattern with the Fair Trail X Tudor Minstrel .
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Apache King. lol
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