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A really memorable Cup & just great to see a local victory.

It’s a satisfying result because V&D is a horse we’ve all seen work his way through the grades here, from a 2381m maiden at The Bool just over a year ago, though to the Qld winter carnival & now the pinnacle of the Melb Cup.

Well done Danny and well done V&D 👏👏
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A great win. He fought on so well, has a real bit of mongrel in him. Williams rode him so well, didn't panic when Frankie took a leaf out of the Miracle Mal playbook on Master Of Reality.

A great result.
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What a star this horse is. Just a consummate professional and all he knows is to stay!

Amazing initiative and courage from Craig, and phenomenal training performance from O'Brien.

How on earth did he trade at such value for so much of the pre post and final field betting? Some bookie offered $17 promo today I'm told?
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Originally posted by JudgeHolden JudgeHolden wrote:

That’s one in 10 years. I’m delighted for O’Brien but the fact that this is seen as some sort of triumph is kinda sad.


 Why is it sad ?  That a complete Aussie beats the world that brought their best to take us on , and the small fry showed them a clean pair of heels .
If you find it sad an Ozz took on the world and won, I think you might be a bit sad. 
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Ahhhhh   Well ...     Just another day at the Office for Australia's best Jockey.

He's probably thinking more about a Maiden at Moe tomorrow .
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Originally posted by JudgeHolden JudgeHolden wrote:

That’s one in 10 years. I’m delighted for O’Brien but the fact that this is seen as some sort of triumph is kinda sad.


V&D shows why Australians aren't that interested in breeding V&Ds. Uneconomic to breed - passed in at 45k- and uneconomic to buy - very few races it can win, and even if it was an entire worth nothing after racing.
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Originally posted by Tlazolteotl Tlazolteotl wrote:

Originally posted by JudgeHolden JudgeHolden wrote:

That’s one in 10 years. I’m delighted for O’Brien but the fact that this is seen as some sort of triumph is kinda sad.


V&D shows why Australians aren't that interested in breeding V&Ds. Uneconomic to breed - passed in at 45k- and uneconomic to buy - very few races it can win, and even if it was an entire worth nothing after racing.

Disagree with this. What exactly is uneconomical to buy? He would have cost peanuts if someone paid the reserve, and he was placing in G1s and winning stakes races by the end of his 3yo year.

I think people who don't breed and/or race horses have a perception that most horses race at two or at least by early three. The reality is very, very few race at two, and most are racing well into their 3yo year.

He is proof that when you get a good one that can stay, you open yourself up to a multitude of great prizemoney races. If you can make the ever-shrinking step to WFA, you strike gold. Samadoubt was a WFA horse this prep. Let that sink in - as good as he is and no disrespect to him whatsoever.

There are very few 2yo races to win, and they are often highly competitive. You put all your eggs in that basket and you potentially end up with a horse without the scope to improve and progress beyond two.
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Vow And Declare (AUS)

Sire: Declaration Of War (USA)

Dam: Geblitzt (AUS)

Career Record: 13 starts: 4-3-2

Prize Money: $5,722,690

Major Wins

2019 Group 1 Melbourne Cup (3200m hcp)

2019 Listed Tattersalls Cup (3000m sw)

2018 Listed Connessiuer Stakes (1800m swp)

Best Minor Performances

2nd: 2019 Group 1 Caulfield Cup (2400m hcp)

2nd: 2019 Group 1 QLD Derby (2400m sw)

4th: 2019 Group 1 Turnbull Stakes (2000m swp)
It's always good when a WA horse does well in the Eastern States or abroad.
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Originally posted by Sunline Sunline wrote:

Originally posted by Tlazolteotl Tlazolteotl wrote:

Originally posted by JudgeHolden JudgeHolden wrote:

That’s one in 10 years. I’m delighted for O’Brien but the fact that this is seen as some sort of triumph is kinda sad.


V&D shows why Australians aren't that interested in breeding V&Ds. Uneconomic to breed - passed in at 45k- and uneconomic to buy - very few races it can win, and even if it was an entire worth nothing after racing.

Disagree with this. What exactly is uneconomical to buy? He would have cost peanuts if someone paid the reserve, and he was placing in G1s and winning stakes races by the end of his 3yo year.

I think people who don't breed and/or race horses have a perception that most horses race at two or at least by early three. The reality is very, very few race at two, and most are racing well into their 3yo year.

He is proof that when you get a good one that can stay, you open yourself up to a multitude of great prizemoney races. If you can make the ever-shrinking step to WFA, you strike gold. Samadoubt was a WFA horse this prep. Let that sink in - as good as he is and no disrespect to him whatsoever.

There are very few 2yo races to win, and they are often highly competitive. You put all your eggs in that basket and you potentially end up with a horse without the scope to improve and progress beyond two.
Agree with you Sunny.

The balance of imports v exports is a fair indicator of market viability. The local buying bench is far too compromised by false bidders, debt traders, syndicators and their like.

Mind you, if a trainers are savvy enough to know when a horse is better suited to a late 3yo debut, do they need to charge the same rate for the first year of racing eligibility?
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117 rating (by Timeform UK) for Cup win. Lets see what assessment Timeform Australia gives for Cup win.
It's always good when a WA horse does well in the Eastern States or abroad.
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