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I assume, after his good spring prep, that’s where he’s heading. Kicks off his campaign tomorrow in R6
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He's a gelding.




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Thought he ran ok. Won5 get warm below 2000
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Originally posted by Shrunk in the Wash Shrunk in the Wash wrote:


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I’m curious as to the relevance
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Originally posted by Shrunk in the Wash Shrunk in the Wash wrote:

I’m curious as to the relevance


Djebel thinks geldings shouldn’t run in derbies
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Oh dear
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I think deep down, very very deep down you all agree with me.





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Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

I think deep down, very very deep down you all agree with me.



Very very deep down I couldn't care if the decision is made to geld a young colt, regardless of breeding, if they feel that is the best decision.

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I couldn’t give two hoots either
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Well if he’s bound for the SA Derby, he’ll want to be winning the BM64 over 2000m at Warracknabeal today - despite the 62kg impost.
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I wonder if it’s his last warm up. Big weight and distance jump. Still 3 weeks to the derby
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You would hope they would not be thinking any Derby after that.




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Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

You would hope they would not be thinking any Derby after that.

Agree. Stick to benchmark races this campaign & work through the grades.
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The SA Derby is not looking very deep again this year. The last couple of years have been dominated by horses rated in the high 60s to mid 70s. With several of the main chances on paper apparently not going including a doubt on the fav going(favoring Brisbane and 2200m rather than 2500m) it will likely look similar this year.

2 more chances to regain his form at Flemington next Saturday and Morphettville, both over 2000m for 3yos. 
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Yesterday was what I expected. With the 62kg and first distance run I thought he closed off well. I’d be interested in the final section as he looked strong to my eye

Really does need 2400m
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There were no sectionals published but on time handicaps from a reliable source, the race rated very respectably.

The corporates that are betting on the race wound him out from 26 to 51 after yesterday, but I thought he did enough for another look next week if he goes around again. With some residual fitness from his spring Derby campaign, they may not go back him up. Will be interesting to see though.
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Good points PT & Shrunk.

Well maybe I shouldn’t write him off until we see him at a staying trip. If Ciaron is still aiming at the SA Derby & thinks he needs another run, another alternative might be the BM78 at Warrnambool on 30th Apr (Tues weeks) over 2350m.
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I think QLD might be an option for him.
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Running at Gawler today
2118m BM70 carries top weight 59kg

Interesting placement
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Very weak race but cant take that price on him.
Been a major disappointment
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Adelaide and Brisbane carnivals are becoming a distant memory. No prizmoney equals rubbish group racing
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Sacked for life
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Nothing more depressing for a horse owner to think you have a horse of promise and it all goes to crap
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A horse with this pedigree gelded, They deserve it to turn up the nose.

VISAO (AUS)Bay or brown gelding 2015 
High Chaparral
Bay 1999
Sadler's Wells
Bay 1981
Northern Dancer
Bay 1961
Nearctic
Brown 1954
Nearco
Lady Angela
1935
1944
4-r
14-c
Natalma
Bay 1957
Native Dancer
Almahmoud
1950
1947
5-f
2-d
Fairy Bridge
Bay 1975
Bold Reason
Bay 1968
Hail to Reason
Lalun
1958
1952
4-n
19-b
Special
Bay 1969
Forli
Thong
1963
1964
3-b
5-h
Kasora
Brown 1993
Darshaan
Brown 1981
Shirley Heights
Bay 1975
Mill Reef
Hardiemma
1968
1969
22-d
1-l
Delsy
Brown 1972
Abdos
Kelty
1959
1965
1-e
13-c
Kozana
Brown 1982
Kris
Chestnut 1976
Sharpen Up
Doubly Sure
1969
1971
5-i
2-o
Koblenza
Brown 1966
Hugh Lupus
Kalimara
1952
1960
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1-n
Villa Moura
Bay 2005
Encosta de Lago
Bay 1993
Fairy King
Bay 1982
Northern Dancer
Bay 1961
Nearctic
Natalma
1954
1957
14-c
2-d
Fairy Bridge
Bay 1975
Bold Reason
Special
1968
1969
19-b
5-h
Shoal Creek
Chestnut 1988
Star Way
Chestnut 1977
Star Appeal
New Way
1970
1970
5-d
6-e
Rolls
Chestnut 1984
Mr Prospector
Grand Luxe
1970
1974
13-c
4-g
Secover
Bay 1998
Danehill
Bay 1986
Danzig
Bay 1977
Northern Dancer
Pas de Nom
1961
1968
2-d
7-a
Razyana
Bay 1981
His Majesty
Spring Adieu
1968
1974
4-d
2-d
Christmas Spirit
Bay 1986
Bletchingly
Brown 1970
Biscay
Coogee
1965
1959
2-o
7-a
Joy and Fun
Bay 1978
Showdown
Denise's Joy
1961
1972
6-b
16-c
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Does gelding make them slower?
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Yes.




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Maybe, just maybe, the horse isn't much good.  Or has issues.  Or both.

Be that as it may, djebel at least can't in this case accuse the trainers of starting off over 1200m etc in its two preps thus far.
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Originally posted by Second Chance Second Chance wrote:

Maybe, just maybe, the horse isn't much good.  Or has issues.  Or both.

Be that as it may, djebel at least can't in this case accuse the trainers of starting off over 1200m etc in its two preps thus far.

Still raced him on the idiotic fortnightly pattern.






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Well this prep exhibits fortnight gaps.

You reckon this spacing of his runs explains his lacklustre results this prep?
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