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Gay3
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EXCLUSIVE: Track policy reviewNovember 16, 2018 1:15 pm Significant changes to the way in which Victorian racetracks are prepared may be on the horizon, with Racing Victoria set to undertake a review of track surface preparation. Correspondence from Racing Victoria officials indicates the “major review” will seek input from all significant stakeholders, including track managers, trainers and veterinary staff. The preparation of tracks has been a topic of significant public discussion in Victoria, with some trainers, jockeys and prominent owners concerned that tracks play too firm and have an adverse impact on the wellbeing of their horses. This has come in the wake of shifts in the horse population, including the increasing presence of European-bred animals with a preference for softer tracks. The review will examine whether Victorian track preparation policy should be modified to a preference for softer tracks. Current policy dictates that, where possible, Victorian tracks are to be prepared to a Good 4 rating, improving to a Good 3 rating as meetings progress. The review will seek feedback on the impact of adjusting this policy to a preference for soft tracks, improving to a Good 4 rating throughout meetings. Particular items to be assessed include: · The potential impact of softer tracks on turf / track health and performance · The potential impact of softer tracks on wagering volumes · The potential impact of softer tracks on horse welfare · The merits of introducing a simpler track rating scale. A simpler rating scale would include four ratings – firm, good, soft and heavy – and remove the more complex 1 – 10 numerical ratings placed on tracks. The timing of the review may come as a surprise to some, after the three major Melbourne clubs were widely praised for the tracks presented over the Spring Carnival, often in the face of constantly shifting weather conditions. Track bias, the scourge of punters and often associated with softer tracks, was regarded as largely absent from major racedays over the carnival. BY:Mark Haywood. Blank Canvas |
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This is a joke.
What's the motivation for this? The Melbourne Cup was run on a soft track and there were issues. Cliffs Of Moher was backing up of an soft track that was aerated and in terrible condition. Prince Of Arran was on the quick back up from a firm track and raced phenomenal.
Japan runs on firm tracks and there's 10 year olds still going around no problem. There's evidence firm tracks are safer so I'm worried they're just going to twist the data to confirm their bias. There is conclusive evidence punters prefer wagering on firm tracks. |
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Where is the evidence that firm tracks are safer?
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Who praised Caulfield? it was a disgrace.
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Changing a number is not going to fix anything.
As they say, a polished turd is still a turd. |
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Seems rather pointless comparing heavy track turnover? It's also a completely different ball game having a 4 than a 7 - which are both dead/soft depending on what era you're talking - if you want to compare the difference of starting on a 4 vs a 3 compare the stats with a 4 vs a 3, don't compare a 2/3 to a 4/5/6/7 because that's incredibly meaningless.
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Still can’t see any evidence that firm tracks are safer?
I also don’t understand “horses with more starts have higher % on dry tracks” ?? Is that supposed to prove it’s safer? If we are after anecdotes, as Rob seems big on, most trainers I know hate hard tracks, and the patching up jarry horses behind the scenes is sadly not recorded in any data. |
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Studies I've seen say the opposite, and from memory the data from most major jurisdictions all point to the same conclusion. Overall, injuries increase with track firmness on turf and with track softness on dirt. Google will find them for anyone interested. Can't see anything wrong with the current policy, although it could be simplified by saying the aim is for horses to run on a track no harder than a G3. That way if conditions are going to be extreme (hot, windy) mgrs of tracks known to dry out quickly could start with a dead 5. Most problems seem to arise when tracks jump into the F2 range. Balancing weather, water and track absorption/evaporation must be a nightmare at times.
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"I say, the improvement a track makes during racing is imaginary, and easily shown to be such by a proper study. Tracks can deteriorate but never improve. "
Astonishing, can only suggest he's making a broad generalisation. Wonder how he explains Melb Cup day. Presumably he thinks soil doesn't dry out (the gardener looked after the lawn at home) and that evaporation is a climate change myth.
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Some tracks are most certainly too hard, Ballarat comes to mind as a big offender and no doubt others. Victoria’s lack of humidity and hot winds on warm days dry up tracks to a crisp.
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to the victor
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Really annoying. I much prefer firm tracks and I'm suspicious of this assumption softer tracks are better for the horses. If they start watering for soft tracks bias will be more common.
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Firm tracks most certainly cause issues for horses as so many train on proride. 4-5 or 3-4 with good grass cover are ideal.
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to the victor
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It's more than assumption Bonfield. Google is your friend.
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It’s a fact that hard tracks are not suitable for horse welfare.
More horses break down and die on hard surfaces, than on on soft ground A good 4/soft 5 is the perfect surface for racing. Good 3 is too hard, which is what we have nowadays. |
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We should not be making our tracks hard just to please punters.
At the end of the day, the horses are the ones who are racing on it. It causes more injuries and deaths than wet tracks. That’s a simple fact. We should be making our tracks suitable for horses.wothout horses, the punters wouldn’t have anything to bet on. Just another way of human greed trying to make money from animals. We should be protecting them, not actively destroying them. |
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Hard to imagine we are pandering to the whims of a few, if it's too hard ..scratch, if it's too heavy ..scratch , a good 4 when the weather is conducive is perfect , if it's too hot in the kitchen ..go where it suits, firm tracks are far better than heavy or softer conditions , go and have another look at the bloody Everest, buy better boned horses and don't house the weak as we know it's a vets paradise, we gotta toughen up and apply the same principles to our horses , this ain't England!
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The Sandown track manager was on RSN this morning & when asked his opinion , said that trainer feedback to him is that some horses won't let down on the Good 3 & many more on a "2". They're not running true to form so he finds it hard to understand why punters like them.
He's prepared today for a "3" in the 2nd half of the program. |
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Already upgraded to 3. Carioca, you need to move with the times. We have European blood coursing through a high proportion of our horse population, soft proride training surfaces, oh and we care about equine welfare. Some tracks served up as 3 are easily 2’s and are detrimental to the horses.
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We have had European blood in our horses for over a 100 years so that don't wash with me, a rating of 2 I can understand some worry, but a 3 bordering on 4 or a 5 boarding on 4 are perfect for most horses, I don't have to move with the times lingh11, a walk down the Main Street tells me all I want to know, and while I'm on that subject have they got Official barrier trials yet for unraced 2 yos or made it mandatory? if not You better move with the times . |
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