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What the kiss is going on down there ?


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Dancing on eggshells, don't want to appear racist !
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Dancing on eggshells, don't want to appear racist !


rubbish, I have heard African 100 times on radio today
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BANG =    Get them off the Streets ...    END OF STORY.

Imagine living in the midst of it.        > Western Sydney isn't real good either.
I daren't say it may have improved since I left , as that would be used in evidence against me.     
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Dancing on eggshells, don't want to appear racist !


rubbish, I have heard African 100 times on radio today
yeah... but I bet you have not heard them being called "nig nogs" !
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Dancing on eggshells, don't want to appear racist !


rubbish, I have heard African 100 times on radio today


And I am guessing the only people yelling racism are those not affected.

I know it is the same people on twitter taking up arms on both sides meanwhile nothing is done about the actual issue.



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Stats shed light on problem

Data from Victoria's Crime Statistics Agency, below, shows an overrepresentation of Sudanese-born and Kenyan-born offenders in some crime categories, proportional to their Victorian populations.

They also show a sharp rise in Sudanese-born offenders involved in armed robberies, from 20 in the 2014-15 financial year to 98 two years later.

However, the statistics also show that a Victorian is more than 25 times more likely to be seriously assaulted by someone born in Australia or New Zealand than someone born in Sudan or Kenya.

They are almost five times more likely to be the victim of an aggravated burglary committed by an Australian or New Zealand-born offender, than one born in Sudan or Kenya.

According to Census figures, people born in Sudan make up about 0.1 per cent of Victoria's population. The Kenyan-born population in Victoria is about the half the size of the Sudanese-born population.

Serious assault

Alleged offender's country of birth2014-152015-162016-17
Australia1,6991,5761,462
New Zealand877591
Sudan295045
Kenya41015

Aggravated burglary

Alleged offender's country of birth2014-152015-162016-17
Australia182504540
New Zealand≤ 3628
Sudan205398
Kenya≤ 31720

Non-aggravated burglary

Alleged offender's country of birth2014-152015-162016-17
Australia2,1661,6701,773
New Zealand323369
Sudan572954
Kenya10≤ 317

Motor vehicle theft

Alleged offender's country of birth2014-152015-162016-17
Australia2,0212,2112,078
New Zealand63141151
Sudan818081
Kenya53521

Sexual offences

Alleged offender's country of birth2014-152015-162016-17
Australia317379361
New Zealand≤ 38≤ 3
Sudan596
All other countries312721

Source: Crime Statistics Agency (Victoria)

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You'd hate to think there was differential policing going on, Turnbull appears to suggest so, how else could a "problem" not being attended to, happen ? Or maybe Malcolm sees a vote in it somewhere.
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African gangs in Melbourne are a problem, police admit, as Victorian Government defends strategy

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Victorian police have conceded Melbourne has a problem with African street gangs, after earlier insisting there were no gangs in the city, as the State Government rejects criticism it has dropped the ball on the problem.

Police Minister Lisa Neville today defended the Government's handling of youth crime after the Federal Government yesterday said "African gang crime" was out of control in Melbourne because of lenient state policies.

The issue has become a priority for both major parties after a series of recent headline-grabbing crimes blamed on groups of young African men, including the trashing of an Airbnb property in Werribee, vandalism in Tarneit and a night of violence at St Kilda Beach involving dozens of youths.

Just days after Victoria Police Deputy Commissioner Andrew Crisp said he did "not accept for a minute that we do have gangs", Acting Chief Commissioner Shane Patton said there were African street gangs in Melbourne.

"We have for a significant period of time said that there is an issue with overrepresentation by African youth in serious and violent offending as well as public disorder issues," Acting Commissioner Patton said.

"These young thugs, these young criminals, they're not an organised crime group like a Middle Eastern organised crime group or an outlaw motorcycle gang. But they're behaving like street gangs, so let's call them that — that's what they are."

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Ms Neville said most African migrants were law-abiding citizens, but "this core group of African youths are causing huge fear".

She said Victoria Police noticed youth offending "go to a new level" in 2016, and the State Government responded by:

  • adding resources to the gangs squad and special operations group
  • recruiting 3,135 additional frontline police
  • funding an intelligence system, bulletproof vehicles and other technology and resources.
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"These resource are having an impact," Ms Neville said.

"We have seen substantial breaking up of a number of the networked youth offenders in other parts of the state.

"We've seen the biggest decrease in the crime rate in over a decade."

Ms Neville said upcoming changes to the Youth Parole Board meant police would be informed when young people were paroled, and conditions would be placed on parolees to prevent reoffending.

A program that started in November was also targeting repeat offenders with intensive, individual case management, she said.

'Out of control'

Yesterday, Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull said the Government was concerned about "growing gang violence and lawlessness" in Melbourne, and frontbencher Greg Hunt said "African gang crime in some areas in particular is clearly out of control".

With a state election less than a year away, the federal Coalition is pushing the merits of its Victorian counterparts' law-and-order policy, including a pledge to introduce mandatory sentencing for repeat offenders behind crimes such as home invasions, armed robberies and aggravated car-jackings.

Ms Neville expressed disappointment that the Prime Minister had weighed in on the issue.

"I'd appreciate maybe the Commonwealth Government focusing on some other issues like how we provide migration support to immigrants coming in to our community, stop cutting youth employment programs that are also so critical, TAFE programs, university, all of those things that are so critical to really getting to some of the root causes of this issue, rather than playing politics of this nature."

Sudanese youth mentor Nelly Yoa is also critical of the State Government.

"The punishments are not harsh enough. The Victorian Government has been so lenient on youth offending," he told ABC News this morning.

But another Sudanese community leader, Richard Deng, said the Prime Minister should be more supportive of the State Government's efforts.

"[The] African community shouldn't be used as a political tool to win [an] election," he said.

Ahmed Hassan, the director of an organisation that helps marginalised young people, said the proportion of African youths involved in crime was a small minority.

"We seemingly don't have an African gang problem — what we do have is young people who are disadvantaged, who are disengaged, a young cohort who are coming together that are causing this mischievous activity," said Mr Hassan, who runs the Youth Activating Youth program.

Shadow attorney-general John Pesutto said the Government should drop Youth Control Orders — a sentencing option requiring young offenders to take part in education or work and comply with conditions such as curfews.

"Now is not the time to be introducing measures from Daniel Andrews that will make it easier … for violent offenders to remain out on the street," he said.

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Probably no room in the jails, explains a lot of leniency.
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What's the point of those stats PT ? Bit like saying you are more likely to be bitten by an ant than a brown snake !
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Ok it's a problem, but more socially and economically based as presumably is a key response.

The State Opposition's "answer"?

a. more cops. hello, hello, police numbers have increased far more under the Andrews Govt than its coalition predecessor, and crime rates generally have since decreased significantly.
b. mandatory sentencing.  hello, hello - been there, done that, tried and failed. 



 
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Try using "economics" as an excuse in a trial, SC. That is a numpty excuse.
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Originally posted by Second Chance Second Chance wrote:

Ok it's a problem, but more socially and economically based as presumably is a key response.

The State Opposition's "answer"?

a. more cops. hello, hello, police numbers have increased far more under the Andrews Govt than its coalition predecessor, and crime rates generally have since decreased significantly.
b. mandatory sentencing.  hello, hello - been there, done that, tried and failed. 



 



Where I work there are a core group of youths who have absolutely no fear of the Police. They will brazenly tell an officer to kiss off.

I can only assume these kids have no fear of the consequences of their actions.



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Originally posted by Second Chance Second Chance wrote:

Ok it's a problem, but more socially and economically based as presumably is a key response.

The State Opposition's "answer"?

a. more cops. hello, hello, police numbers have increased far more under the Andrews Govt than its coalition predecessor, and crime rates generally have since decreased significantly.
b. mandatory sentencing.  hello, hello - been there, done that, tried and failed. 



 
The solution is very easy imo. You advertise that after a certain date....say 2 months ahead... ..that the need 10 Sudanese gang members to be convicted of serious assault or worse will be immediately deported back to Sudan....all expenses paid. Would improve overnight
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STATISTICS can be made to lie in most cases.

If anyone is thick enough to suggest the Sudanese & Muslim Cults are not over represented in our crime areas = they are NUTS.

The "good" members of these peoples are insignificant in the overall scheme of things.     The same as the majority of the peoples of Germany & Japan were when some 70 million lost their lives.

Unfortunately too many will never integrate or accept the culture of their adopted land so it's , gloves off .    They are all the enemy.

They can denounce and move or else ,    > in my perfect world.
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Originally posted by max manewer max manewer wrote:

You'd hate to think there was differential policing going on, Turnbull appears to suggest so, how else could a "problem" not being attended to, happen ? Or maybe Malcolm sees a vote in it somewhere.

Malcolm sees it as an opportunity to lobby towards putting Duttons Brown Shirts and his new super Homeland Security portfolio in charge of State policing of certain situations, as I posted last week in the Flinders Street attack
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Originally posted by oneonesit oneonesit wrote:

Originally posted by Second Chance Second Chance wrote:

Ok it's a problem, but more socially and economically based as presumably is a key response.

The State Opposition's "answer"?

a. more cops. hello, hello, police numbers have increased far more under the Andrews Govt than its coalition predecessor, and crime rates generally have since decreased significantly.
b. mandatory sentencing.  hello, hello - been there, done that, tried and failed. 



 
The solution is very easy imo. You advertise that after a certain date....say 2 months ahead... ..that the need 10 Sudanese gang members to be convicted of serious assault or worse will be immediately deported back to Sudan....all expenses paid. Would improve overnight


Not sure I go along with that.

They are rightfully our problem now.

The punishment should be severe enough that whether they are white brindle on black they will give it more thought.



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Originally posted by oneonesit oneonesit wrote:

Originally posted by Second Chance Second Chance wrote:

Ok it's a problem, but more socially and economically based as presumably is a key response.

The State Opposition's "answer"?

a. more cops. hello, hello, police numbers have increased far more under the Andrews Govt than its coalition predecessor, and crime rates generally have since decreased significantly.
b. mandatory sentencing.  hello, hello - been there, done that, tried and failed. 



 
The solution is very easy imo. You advertise that after a certain date....say 2 months ahead... ..that the need 10 Sudanese gang members to be convicted of serious assault or worse will be immediately deported back to Sudan....all expenses paid. Would improve overnight
The same strategy would also work well for all major crime. Just hang the next 10 car thiefs & the problem will disappear overnight . Small price to pay ( as long as your not one of the 10 )
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Wondered why Federal politician Greg (you say jump, I simply ask just how high) Huntsought to involve himself in what the PM is attempting to make a State issue. Confused
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Originally posted by maccamax maccamax wrote:

STATISTICS can be made to lie in most cases.

If anyone is thick enough to suggest the Sudanese & Muslim Cults are not over represented in our crime areas = they are NUTS.

The "good" members of these peoples are insignificant in the overall scheme of things.     The same as the majority of the peoples of Germany & Japan were when some 70 million lost their lives.

Unfortunately too many will never integrate or accept the culture of their adopted land so it's , gloves off .    They are all the enemy.

They can denounce and move or else ,    > in my perfect world.

No, the sins of others should not be visited on the law-abiding. The riff-raff element would probably expect to be mowed down by AK-47's back in Sudan, so the comparative "softly, softly" approach here emboldens them no end.
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Whatever it takes...    Simple.

( Old Call) Indonesia's Drug Lords don't offend again.

Australia holds candle lit dawn services in their honour or in Labor's case = Marries them.

They brag how they have stopped SP betting = Reduced cigarette Smoking but find the things that really matter beyond them .

Jill Meagher , Young Morcombe , Anita Cobby , the Milat victims, Martin Place , and so many others who have suffered and died would feel let down.
CRIME CONTINUES out of control FOR ONE REASON ONLY ...   WE ALLOW IT TO.
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Jail space very limited, and the courts know it.
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Then build more Gaols =   Simple .

   Try some tough hard labour ---    Building a pipeline from up North to dry areas.      call it the chain gang or whatever you like .

This will be the NT thread repeating itself . ( $60000 compensation )
SICKENING ..   Those BXstards needed another belt in the head.
Get real ..    they aren't easy to handle and to give compensation is encouraging more crime .'
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I am all for more jails, especially where prisoners work, rather than swap tips for crime.
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Originally posted by Whale Whale wrote:

Originally posted by max manewer max manewer wrote:

Dancing on eggshells, don't want to appear racist !


rubbish, I have heard African 100 times on radio today
yeah... but I bet you have not heard them being called "nig nogs" !


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Not too long back we were talking about how well those African immigrants were doing in the farming areas of Nth NSW. Sudanese maybe, I don't recall.
Their community had problems handling the city life in Sydney because they came from farming backgrounds.

Maybe the African immigrants in Melbourne have similar problems? Surely the state premiers can work together on these issues.

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Originally posted by scamanda scamanda wrote:

Not too long back we were talking about how well those African immigrants were doing in the farming areas of Nth NSW. Sudanese maybe, I don't recall.
Their community had problems handling the city life in Sydney because they came from farming backgrounds.

Maybe the African immigrants in Melbourne have similar problems? Surely the state premiers can work together on these issues.


Refugees yearn for space

Meanwhile in Sydney, refugee advocate Emmanuel Musoni was grappling with problems in his community from central Africa. They had been displaced from Rwanda and neighbouring countries during years of bitter civil war.

The majority had rural backgrounds before having to flee their homes for refugee camps.

"If you ask them, 'What was your dream when you applied to come to Australia and boarded the plane,' they say, 'We hoped we were going to be put in the countryside, to connect ourselves with agricultural life and have a garden'," Mr Musoni said.


http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-11-07/how-african-refugees-are-reinvigorating-mingoola/7970876

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