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It's offical the Victorian courts and legal system have lost the plot. The criminals have more rights that the law abiding citizen. 


Melbourne carjacker’s jail time cut because prison can’t deal with her

A Melbourne carjacker who went on a 30-hour crime has had her jail sentence slashed because prison guards are struggling to control her.

Melissa Iaria, Herald Sun


Teryaki requires 23-hour solitary confinement and handcuffs much of the time. Picture: Stock Image 

Jail staff are struggling to control a young Melbourne carjacker with an “extraordinary” rap sheet who’s unable to get the “intensive” rehabilitation treatment she needs because she’s a woman.

Heba Teryaki received a reduced prison term on appeal today, after the Court of Appeal found her jail time could worsen her significant mental impairment, which has been blamed for her crimes.

Teryaki requires 23-hour solitary confinement and handcuffs much of the time, has an extremely low IQ, borderline personality disorder and is violent and irrational behind bars.

The appeal judges said no one had been able to solve how to deal with her in jail, other than keeping her isolated under the most stringent conditions.

“The applicant finds herself in an utterly deplorable situation,” they said in their ruling.

“It seems as though she is in desperate need of some form of intensive therapeutic treatment.

“Facilities are available to provide such treatment in secure institutions, but only for male offenders. That situation is obviously unacceptable. It must not be allowed to continue.” Teryaki was jailed for three years, with a minimum of two years, in 2018 over a 30-hour crime spree that included a carjacking and two attempted carjackings across suburban Melbourne in 2017.

The appeal judges reduced her term to two years and three months, with a minimum one year and nine months, saying jail has been more a burden for Teryaki than the sentencing judge realised.

They said her behaviour in jail had been worsening, staff were struggling to deal with her and there was a risk her jail term would affect her chances of rehabilitation.

Teryaki was 22 at the time she and a male co-offender threatened a woman with a knife before stealing her Hyundai.

The next day Teryaki tried to carjack another woman, but she managed to drive off with Teryaki and a co-offender hanging onto the car mirrors. That same night, a woman parked at a gym was approached by a male and Teryaki but refused to hand over her keys.

The male stabbed her in the thigh, causing a small cut. The victim managed to run and the offenders couldn’t start her car because she still had the immobilisation chip.

At the time of the offending, Teryaki was living at a facility for young people with intellectual disabilities.

When arrested, she admitted stealing the Hyundai and said she’d smoked ice, but couldn’t remember specific allegations.

Given time served, Teryaki has less than two months left of her sentence before she’s eligible for parole.

The judges said on release it was hoped she would live under the auspices of Jesuit Social Services to get treatment.

 




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Good luck with that one ! 
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Yeah to bad about the people who are law abiding and do the right thing. We have to deal with the criminals on the streets now. 

Not to sure what the judges would think if she car jacked them or a family member.
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Let her roam the streets until she kills someone, or the police are forced to shoot her, then everyone will be asking why was she allowed out. 
If she has to be kept confined so be it.  People,s safety is more important than her rights.
But thats just MHO.  Am sure there are others here prepared to take her on and care for her ??
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Problem is they keep letting them out or out on parole and they do kill or reoffend. 

I agree with you people's safety comes first not the welfare or care of a criminal. Might be time to take away the 5 star accommodation they call prisons and give them an old style jail back like pentridge prison again. 
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Don’t be ridiculous.
She has not been playing croquet in the mornings and tennis in the afternoons.
The problem is not that they keep letting them out to reoffend, it’s that she is in clear need of help,and she’s been treated like an animal the entire time she’s been incarcerated.
Blame the neglect of the system, there’s plenty more that have been let out without any help or supervision that they need to be safe for both society and themselves.
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RUSTY =   WAKE UP.

( In clear need of help - treated like an animal the whole time she has been incarcerated )     YOUR WORDS .      IDIOTIC STATEMENT .

   Give us your suggestion on how you would approach the care and treatment of such an out of control , unfortunate )

I may tell you ---   Such people kill & have killed , staff who care for them ..        I can also tell you they would maim / Kill many more if they had their way .
ON THE STREETS IS NOT THE PLACE FOR THEM.
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In solitary confinement 23 hours a day, handcuffed most of the time, is being treated like an animal.

I certainly not advocating she be released onto the streets without help or supervision.

Solitary confinement 23 hours a day is not the solution either.
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  You obviously haven't been front line in dealing with such dangerous people Rusty ... ( What is your alternative to solitary confinement )   
If you had 1st hand knowledge , you would not be questioning any methods used in handling such situations.
Spare a thought for the essential services people especially, who have lost their life.
Quite often, due to their trying to limit the restrictions necessary to be in full control of dangerous situations at all times.
   The horrendous tortures suffered by people like Virginia Morse , Anits Cobby , Victims of Ivan Milat would have you view things differently.
( Most of what I refer to was never made public )

Idle words like "help & supervision" are not an option in these serious cases. ,     

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In a brutally honest world you would knock her on the head when she was asleep - & redirect the millions of dollars saved to people that can be rehabilitated.
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Originally posted by oneonesit oneonesit wrote:

In a brutally honest world you would knock her on the head when she was asleep - & redirect the millions of dollars saved to people that can be rehabilitated.


Overlooked oneone is the fact that other inmates who are not so dangerous and can be rehabilitated , suffer big time at the hands of the psychopaths who are not in seclusion or restraint. .     Staff priority is to protect them , at their own safety risk.

I note a case in the NT tonight, where some 5 have died , is the very area where a Royal Commission banned many types of restraining dangerous people
( since overturned ).     That is what follows advice like " Help & avoid restraining methods".

It is not a pretty problem , I admit , but some simply can't be changed.
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If she needs rehabilitation, she should be moved from the prison to a mental institution, as no prison has any rehabilitation facilities that can adequately do the job.

She is obviously a person who has low responsibility of her actions and does not fully realise the consequences of her actions.

This is what happens when judges follow the letter of the law, and forget their obligation to the community who pay their wages. The ultimate function of a court, of law is to keep the community safe.

As mentioned before, this is a disaster waiting to happen!
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Here we go again.  Known to police,,, out on parole, and 4 dead, maybe 5.  How many chances should these dead beats get ? 
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Originally posted by VOYAGER VOYAGER wrote:

If she needs rehabilitation, she should be moved from the prison to a mental institution, as no prison has any rehabilitation facilities that can adequately do the job.

She is obviously a person who has low responsibility of her actions and does not fully realise the consequences of her actions.

This is what happens when judges follow the letter of the law, and forget their obligation to the community who pay their wages. The ultimate function of a court, of law is to keep the community safe.

As mentioned before, this is a disaster waiting to happen!

   Your spot on Voyager but nearly 40 years too late .

   They closed all of the Schedule 5 areas that held these hard to manage killers.      That's why we have such dangerous societies now .

Kenmore , Orange , etc have very few people there now days .
Both those Institutions had Nurses killed in them .
Callan Park , Rydalmere , Ryde , morrisett don't handle the Crims anymore.
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   The NT offender was being "Helped & Supervised "

Helped onto Parole & Supervised by an ankle devise to track him .

With him , in seclusion and controlled ,   at least 4 people wouldn't have been DEAD today.

   SHAME ON OUR JUDICIAL SYSTEM.
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Certainly a bad move on the part of the justice system.  It seems like its more about the crook,s rights to do as they please, and less about the general public,s rights to be safe from them.
Four dead because some dim wit has been allowed to roam the street and even get his hands on a gun, when he should have been locked away somewhere . 
And not only 4 dead but all the other people this incident will impact on for the rest of their lives. 
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I agree AA but the leftie/greenies say that the criminals have rights. The courts and jusdges say the pedo's. rapist and murders that Peter Dutton wants to cancelle their visa and deport have rights. So they override Duttons call and let them say here with us. Seems the only people who don't have rights are the law abiding citizens
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Originally posted by maccamax maccamax wrote:

    The NT offender was being "Helped & Supervised "

Helped onto Parole & Supervised by an ankle devise to track him .

With him , in seclusion and controlled ,   at least 4 people wouldn't have been DEAD today.

   SHAME ON OUR JUDICIAL SYSTEM.

This is not analogous with the girl with severe mental impairment that was locked up in solitary for 23 hours a day.

Do you understand what parole is?

Are you suggesting anyone who is ever jailed should never be released?
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Originally posted by rusty nails rusty nails wrote:

Originally posted by maccamax maccamax wrote:

    The NT offender was being "Helped & Supervised "

Helped onto Parole & Supervised by an ankle devise to track him .

With him , in seclusion and controlled ,   at least 4 people wouldn't have been DEAD today.

   SHAME ON OUR JUDICIAL SYSTEM.

This is not analogous with the girl with severe mental impairment that was locked up in solitary for 23 hours a day.

Do you understand what parole is?

Are you suggesting anyone who is ever jailed should never be released?
I believe that some should never be released. Julian Knight is one that comes to mind quickly
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James Gargasoulas is another that comes to mind quickly that tried to use mental illness as a defence. Life in jail for him as well as Julian Knight and many, many others
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I think there are many who should never be released, ever.  Too many to even list. And many who should not be out on parole either. This bloke in Darwin was on parol,  and now 4 innocents are dead. So was that rapist that murdered Jill Meagher and thats just 2 off the top of my head.   Why does anyone even think these types should have any rights at all ??
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Originally posted by acacia alba acacia alba wrote:

I think there are many who should never be released, ever.  Too many to even list. And many who should not be out on parole either. This bloke in Darwin was on parol,  and now 4 innocents are dead. So was that rapist that murdered Jill Meagher and thats just 2 off the top of my head.   Why does anyone even think these types should have any rights at all ??

what types,do you even know what he was on parole for ?

There will always be some on parole who offend, do you suggest cancelling 100 % of parole.

Or maybe they should bring you in as a consultant, make use of your expertise in the area Confused
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A symptom of a carefree labor government.

Dangerous paedophile’s release as ‘foolproof as you can get’: Attorney General John Quigley


Attorney-General John Quigley says he is concerned about the release of a dangerous paedophile from prison, but says the Government cannot lock up offenders indefinitely.

The State Government has confirmed that a serial sex offender who raped girls as young as three will soon be released, even though he recently told psychiatrists he believed the victims played some part in encouraging the assaults.

The 65-year-old, who can be named only as MGD, was jailed in 2009 after pleading guilty to 21 child abuse crimes, including rape.He will be released under 49 conditions, including that he wear a radio tracking device.

Last year the McGowan Government pushed through promised legislation to toughen laws around the release of sex offenders, reversing the onus of proof and introducing a presumption against bail.

Mr Quigley was vocal about the need for tougher laws against child sex offenders when he was in Opposition.

But the Attorney-General said yesterday said the Government could not lock someone up indefinitely.He will be released under 49 conditions, including that he wear a radio tracking device.

Last year the McGowan Government pushed through promised legislation to toughen laws around the release of sex offenders, reversing the onus of proof and introducing a presumption against bail.

Mr Quigley was vocal about the need for tougher laws against child sex offenders when he was in Opposition.

But the Attorney-General said yesterday said the Government could not lock someone up indefinitely.He will be released under 49 conditions, including that he wear a radio tracking device.

Last year the McGowan Government pushed through promised legislation to toughen laws around the release of sex offenders, reversing the onus of proof and introducing a presumption against bail.

Mr Quigley was vocal about the need for tougher laws against child sex offenders when he was in Opposition.

But the Attorney-General said yesterday said the Government could not lock someone up indefinitely.https://thewest.com.au/news/court-justice/dangerous-paedophiles-release-as-foolproof-as-you-can-get-attorney-general-john-quigley-ng-b881219978z

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Originally posted by maccamax maccamax wrote:

    The NT offender was being "Helped & Supervised "

Helped onto Parole & Supervised by an ankle devise to track him .

With him , in seclusion and controlled ,   at least 4 people wouldn't have been DEAD today.

   SHAME ON OUR JUDICIAL SYSTEM.


And max this is the society we are looking forward to now, remote surveillance.

Our retirement homes and seniors facilities are understaffed so the employees are doing a check on everyone once every three hours, if you are lucky.

Closed Circuit television has now taken over from guards on trains and regular patrols of known trouble spots.

AVO's are thought by the polictically correct and those who want to feel as though they are doing something about domestic violence, to be the answer, but the rate of DV keeps rising.

and ankle brcelets are now being used as substitutes for imprisonment.
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Originally posted by VOYAGER VOYAGER wrote:

Originally posted by maccamax maccamax wrote:

    The NT offender was being "Helped & Supervised "

Helped onto Parole & Supervised by an ankle devise to track him .

With him , in seclusion and controlled ,   at least 4 people wouldn't have been DEAD today.

   SHAME ON OUR JUDICIAL SYSTEM.


And max this is the society we are looking forward to now, remote surveillance.

Our retirement homes and seniors facilities are understaffed so the employees are doing a check on everyone once every three hours, if you are lucky.

Closed Circuit television has now taken over from guards on trains and regular patrols of known trouble spots.

AVO's are thought by the polictically correct and those who want to feel as though they are doing something about domestic violence, to be the answer, but the rate of DV keeps rising.

and ankle brcelets are now being used as substitutes for imprisonment.
If the courts say a criminal has to wear an ankle bracelet to know where a criminal is. Then I think it's safe to say that the court thinks the said criminal will reoffend. So I ask why let them out into the general public. Better to keep them locked up so there is no chance some innocent will be hurt or killed
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A young thug who bashed two paramedics while high on drugs has walked free — despite the offence carrying a mandatory six months in prison.
Now Premier Daniel Andrews is calling on the DPP to launch an urgent review of the sentence after today’s verdict. About time Dopey Dan got ride of some of the judiciary in Victoria.
“Our thoughts are with the victims of this completely unacceptable attack,” Mr Andrews said.
“The DPP should give urgent consideration to appealing this matter.”
Paramedic Monica cried in court as she learned the man who repeatedly punched her in the face and pinned her against the wall of her ambulance would not be jailed.
Seasoned police prosecutors were in tears at the bar table and a furious paramedic union boss, Danny Hill, has labelled the legislation “a dud”.
James Haberfield, 22, was sent to hospital after taking a cocktail of party drugs including MDMA, ketamine and ice at the Rainbow Serpent music festival on January 25th.
But four days later he escaped, roamed the streets of Coburg and broke into a home before an ambulance was eventually called.
While being treated in the back of the truck, Haberfield became aggressive and pushed Monica to the ground before putting her in a headlock and punching her in the face.
Witnesses in nearby homes recalled seeing the ambulance rock back and forth and “the silhouette of Haberfield attacking” the young woman.
Hearing his colleague’s screams, paramedic Sam Smith ran to Monica’s aid and was himself caught in a flurry of violent punches from the delirious Haberfield. Haberfield pleaded guilty assaulting an emergency worker on duty and recklessly causing injury. 
On the steps of the Melbourne Magistrates’ Court, Monica said she suffers from constant flashbacks and has been unable to return to work since.
Haberfield pleaded guilty to assaulting an emergency worker on duty and recklessly causing injury.
Magistrate Simon Zebrowski said while he agreed a message needed to be sent to the community that “emergency service workers are not punching bags”, he said Haberfield should not be jailed.
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27 September 2016

OPP PRINCIPAL SOLICITOR ADVOCATE APPOINTED A MAGISTRATE

Office of Public Prosecutions (OPP) Principal Solicitor Advocate Simon Zebrowski has been appointed a Victorian Magistrate, Attorney-General Martin Pakula has announced.

Mr Pakula said Mr Zebrowski has extensive experience in criminal law and will be a welcome addition to the Magistrates’ Court.

Mr Zebrowski was admitted to the Victorian Bar in 2003 and joined the OPP as an Early Resolution Advocate in December 2010.

He was appointed to the role of Principal Solicitor Advocate in July 2015 and appeared in many jury trials and plea hearings, bail applications, committal hearings, confiscations proceedings and coronial inquests.

Acting Director of Public Prosecutions Brendan Kissane QC said Mr Zebrowski has always produced work of a high standard in his time at the Victorian Bar and the OPP.

“He has performed important roles in early resolution and advocacy, and has made an excellent contribution to the OPP” Mr Kissane said.

Solicitor for Public Prosecutions John Cain also congratulated Mr Zebrowski on his appointment.

“The appointment is well deserved and a recognition of his hard work,” Mr Cain said. “It is also a recognition of the quality of our solicitor advocates.”

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A young thug who bashed two paramedics while high on drugs has walked free — despite the offence carrying a mandatory six months in prison.
Now Premier Daniel Andrews is calling on the DPP to launch an urgent review of the sentence after today’s verdict. About time Dopey Dan got ride of some of the judiciary in Victoria.
“Our thoughts are with the victims of this completely unacceptable attack,” Mr Andrews said.
“The DPP should give urgent consideration to appealing this matter.”
Paramedic Monica cried in court as she learned the man who repeatedly punched her in the face and pinned her against the wall of her ambulance would not be jailed.
Seasoned police prosecutors were in tears at the bar table and a furious paramedic union boss, Danny Hill, has labelled the legislation “a dud”.
James Haberfield, 22, was sent to hospital after taking a cocktail of party drugs including MDMA, ketamine and ice at the Rainbow Serpent music festival on January 25th.
But four days later he escaped, roamed the streets of Coburg and broke into a home before an ambulance was eventually called.
While being treated in the back of the truck, Haberfield became aggressive and pushed Monica to the ground before putting her in a headlock and punching her in the face.
Witnesses in nearby homes recalled seeing the ambulance rock back and forth and “the silhouette of Haberfield attacking” the young woman.
Hearing his colleague’s screams, paramedic Sam Smith ran to Monica’s aid and was himself caught in a flurry of violent punches from the delirious Haberfield. Haberfield pleaded guilty assaulting an emergency worker on duty and recklessly causing injury. 
On the steps of the Melbourne Magistrates’ Court, Monica said she suffers from constant flashbacks and has been unable to return to work since.
Haberfield pleaded guilty to assaulting an emergency worker on duty and recklessly causing injury.
Magistrate Simon Zebrowski said while he agreed a message needed to be sent to the community that “emergency service workers are not punching bags”, he said Haberfield should not be jailed.

This is the perfect situation where a non-custodial sentence is fine by me.

However, they should lock James Haberfield in a cell, naked and handcuffed, and allow Monica and Sam to have 20 minutes with him, armed with baseball bats.

... and no ambulance.
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... and when they are finished with Mr Haberfield, they should get equal time on equal terms with Mr Zebrowski, and then Mr Andrews.
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The virtue signallers are destroying this country.
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