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Van Nistelrooy staying home

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    Posted: 10 May 2007 at 9:43pm
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OH NO!Cry

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I don't think he would have got any mares going on results so far.
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Going on that article all seemed good, is this another case of a major stud farm talking the talk and the horse not walking it?
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Bare stats from his first crop:
 
116 mares covered for 84 foals.
 
From those 84 foals 14 starters, 1 winner, no SW's, $23,000 in stakes as at May 2007 of his first season.
 
 
Mare quality high including (believe it or not) Ethereal.
 
30 lots in the 2006 Premier Sale at Karaka ( 6% of the catalogue) off a $15,000 service fee.
 
This is a stallion who only raced at 2 and achieved a Timeform rating of 108.
 
And the winners are??? Coolmore, the standing studs, and those vendors fotunate enough to sell their yearlings at good prices.
 
The losers??? All the purchasers !!!
 
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This horse was a horror from day 1.
 
What surprised me most were the people involved here with him.
 
He failed on nearly every facet of consideration for downunder, not least of all his conformation.
 
His Timeform rating also fully summed him up.
 
His yearlings were as poorly constructed as himself.
 
Great news he's not coming back. The gullible breeders wasted some good mares on him.
 
GIVE IT A BREAK.
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The aspect of the studs involved bothered me too. He stood at Trelawney, in conjunction with Chequers Stud, Curraghmore Stud, Fairdale Stud, Haunui Farm and Pencarrow Stud.
 
A cynic would say that this group comprised very experienced and knowledgeable stud masters who must have known they had a dud but knew there was a profit to be turned on a second rate son of Storm Cat.
 
The charitable view would be that aren't all that smart, genuinely thought they had a serious stallion prospect and priced him accordingly.
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They did send most of their own good mares to him.  Why waste a season of a good mare if you think he's no chance, unless to convince others to spend up large.
The problem with Opportunity is that it wears overalls and looks like work.
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Originally posted by idle hour idle hour wrote:

The aspect of the studs involved bothered me too. He stood at Trelawney, in conjunction with Chequers Stud, Curraghmore Stud, Fairdale Stud, Haunui Farm and Pencarrow Stud.
 
A cynic would say that this group comprised very experienced and knowledgeable stud masters who must have known they had a dud but knew there was a profit to be turned on a second rate son of Storm Cat.
 
The charitable view would be that aren't all that smart, genuinely thought they had a serious stallion prospect and priced him accordingly.
 
Totally agree with your point Idle Hour.
 
I noted that in most cases they put their second string mares to him, but they still must've considered him worthy of a go.
 
When looking back at the bloodstock agents who sourced his ugly looking yearlings for clients, I would certainly avoid their services as well.
 
GIVE IT A BREAK.
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I'd love to own their best mares then if you think Ethereal and co are their second stringers :)
The problem with Opportunity is that it wears overalls and looks like work.
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Give Me A Break, do you actually inspect stallions before bagging them on conformation?
This horse was a $6mill+ sale topping yearling at Keenland, bought buy the best judge on earth!!
How about giving us a break from your clueless shyte?
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Originally posted by Minoru Minoru wrote:

Give Me A Break, do you actually inspect stallions before bagging them on conformation?
This horse was a $6mill+ sale topping yearling at Keenland, bought buy the best judge on earth!!
How about giving us a break from your clueless shyte?
 
I've seen this horse and he and his record would suggest even the best of judges either make the odd decent mistake or that they drink a bit,Hug
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Minoru, I like ye but are you outside of ye mind?? Dont get me wrong I love the Irish but honestly. Look at these Demi specials
 
The Green Monkey - $16 Million - Unraced
 
La Boisselle - $1.5 Million - Murray Bridge winner
 
Geronimo - $1.05 Million - 1 win 23K
 
Crackenback - $775K - Beaten 25.2 lengths in barrier trial at Mornington
 
Sarasota - $850K - 1 win 34K
 
El Capitan - $675K - Dual Moonee Valley winner!!!!
 
Lake Tahoe - $500K - Hawkesbury winner
 
Best judge in the world.....I'd swear on the farms peat you'd be mistaken sonWink
 
 
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i always have a laugh at these sales when the crowd all claps when some joker like this bloke 'pays' the big big bucks for a horse.
they bask in the glory and the glamour of the moment and yet no-one takes the time to reflect much on these massive failures.
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Absolutely right Crownie.
 
Reminds me of the $1.6m sale of Columbia [Zabeel/Eight Carat]. Rumoured all around town as a crock before he even went through the ring and he never got to the races.
 
Any half decent judge can see that VAN NISTELROOY is very upright in the shoulder and predominantly short in the rein. Not suited to firm turf racing.
 
TIMEFORM ignored him. 3 lines only and 108 for trying.
 
And unfortunately for this horse, he left them like himself. Some very poor judges bought them.
 
GIVE IT A BREAK.
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