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vontastic 
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[QUOTE=Rosscoe]How does Savoire Vivre stack up with his successes on a $4400 fee?
Overall 163 runners 88 winners 54% his first and 5 th crops are his largest with 66 / 67 foals slow maturers 3/4yo jury still out on him wait and see how his 5th crop perform now 3 yo
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EverydayImShufflin
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Posted: 11 May 2011 at 9:49pm |
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Explained about Bianconi in the other thread - pocket talking.
and Blevic, I'm not really sure. He just isn't my sort of horse, again that wouls seem strange given his figures but he's just not a horse I'd personally use. I guess we all have likes and dislikes.
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Lucky777
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Posted: 12 May 2011 at 10:13pm |
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surely your happy with a sire who gets 58% runners to winners ??
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vontastic
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Posted: 13 May 2011 at 1:07pm |
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[QUOTE=EverydayImShufflin]Value breed to race options are becoming harder and harder to find in my opinion. Many have mentioned Blevic, but personally I couldn't have him, nor could I have Bianconi - I know the latter is doing little wrong, but personally I think he is very much overrated.
Dubleo on the other hand is exceptional value, and capable of getting a top horse for your buck.
Mossman was the horse last year.
Both Dubleo and Mossman stand at Vinery Do you have an interest in Vinery ? |
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EverydayImShufflin
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Posted: 14 May 2011 at 11:55pm |
No, not at all. Again, talking from previous experience, but overall I feel Dubleo represents the best value for money - and for me he's not just a breed to race option.
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gonski gonski
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Posted: 15 May 2011 at 12:11am |
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Move on from Vinery. Boring. Anyone else have ideas. What about a Vic stallion.
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acacia alba
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Posted: 15 May 2011 at 1:29am |
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Bel Esprit ???
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animals before people.
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My charmer
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Posted: 15 May 2011 at 9:54am |
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Amadeus Wolf has beautiful bloodlines and is a great type, yet had suprisingly low patronage in his first visit last season. Inexpensive too. Best value in Victoria
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Posted: 15 May 2011 at 12:48pm |
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as mentioed before Grey Swallow,foreplay is also reasonally priced,No deals on Bel Esprit this year
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piemad1
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Posted: 15 May 2011 at 2:23pm |
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pendragon could be a smoky
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Posted: 15 May 2011 at 8:15pm |
I agree. Interesting that they kept this one as a stallion prospect but hardly surprising given his dam is a G1 winner and his fourth dam gave us Marscay.
And I don't think they are fussed if he doesn't produce early two year olds.
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EverydayImShufflin
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Posted: 16 May 2011 at 12:09am |
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King Of Prussia perhaps?
Appears to be doing an okay job considering the mares he would have covered.
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gonski gonski
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Posted: 16 May 2011 at 1:32am |
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Grey swallow now great value. Bushranger drop in price helps. Love street boss but too dear.
Econsul now right price. Gonski great value. The winner is grey swallow by a few grand. Value. That's the blog. Cheers. |
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Posted: 07 May 2015 at 1:20pm |
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Excites
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Top Echelon @ $4000
Fast'n'famous @ $4000 Turrfontain @ $11000 better still, buy them, it's even better value |
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Both Fast'n'Famous and Tuffontein are from the Betty Box family .
I like both of them but have a big watch on FnF as he should Australia far more than NZ . I'd like to know why he didn't attract mares in NZ and was sold on , but if you read some of the NZ forums most will say he now looks like one that got away . |
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Posted: 07 May 2015 at 5:51pm |
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That should read Fnf should suit Australia - I need an edit function .
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Posted: 07 May 2015 at 10:12pm |
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Lucas Cranach reckon will get in for $3k- types ive seen 10/10 mostly
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Posted: 07 May 2015 at 11:58pm |
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Danerich. An absolute gun
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If you like Dubleo he has moved from Vinery this season so should be appealing price wise, a beautifully bred horse & a lovely type, I am also a fan of Lucas Cranach my opinion is we never saw the best of him , love Mawingo the German horse sadly too far to send my mares as we have too many in his bracket in Qld but will watch with interest:
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Lordy
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Posted: 08 May 2015 at 1:00pm |
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When talking breed to race value we really shouldn't be including stallions who haven't produced any runners yet. Its total speculation and there's no evidence to support an argument either way.
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Posted: 08 May 2015 at 2:12pm |
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Al maher now at the 10k region is breed to race and 60.5% W/R and over 6% SW/R is a good sire if you can be patient as they don't tend to make 2yo's
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3..2..1..Big rocket go now!
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Slipper
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Posted: 08 May 2015 at 9:09pm |
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I'm going to throw in a vote for Bianconi. With little fanfare, he churns out winners every day of the week. There are worse (IMO) standing for a lot more.
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Posted: 08 May 2015 at 11:42pm |
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I'll punt on Salade being a great value breed to race stallion , love his female line , I'm a fan of Brueghel feeding in on the bottom line .
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I will throw in I am Invincible.
If he has done this job off the quality of book he has generally had, what will it look like in 12-24 months!
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acacia alba
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Posted: 09 May 2015 at 12:27am |
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I think I A I might be a good'un too.
And Testa Rossa always got some decent horses , but he is getting old now.
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animals before people.
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Posted: 09 May 2015 at 9:57am |
Still quite capable but as is the way the quality of older stallions books decline as breeders rush their mares off to overhyped over priced freshman's. The buyers read syndicators and stallion owner buybacks then lap it up in the sale ring leading to articles about x stallion performing like a champion in the sales ring. 5 years later when 80% have proven they can't run they are moved to a backwater farm or shipped off to China or chile, the stallion owners and syndicators having made a good return, and the owners of the progeny sporting a big pineapple up their are. |
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Ops I read from the bottom up and I thought you were calling a member that Bradjm.
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