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    Posted: 12 Jul 2019 at 1:23pm
I am happy to announce, albeit a little belatedly, an update to the existing ANZ chefs-de-race list.  These were compiled by John Hutchinson from Scone Bloodstock who has been instrumental in the development of this list originally with the TesioPower program.  They are listed below but I have put more detail on these stallions, and some of the reasoning behind their classification at one on the dosage websites, www.dosages.com.au.

Exceed and Excel (B)

Pivotal (I/C)

Fastnet Rock (B/C)

Rossendale (C)

Galileo (C/S)

Seeking The Gold (I)

High Chaparral (C)

Shamardal (I/C)

Hussonet (I)

Storm Cat (I)

I Am Invincible (B)

Sunday Silence (C)

Lonhro (I)

Testa Rossa (B/I)

Made of Gold (B)

Thorn Park (I/C)

Northern Meteor (B)

The Welkin (B/C)

Pantheon (S)

Thunder Gulch (C)

Peintre Celebre (I/C)

Woodman (I/S)

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Thanks Progold and JH.

My understanding is that the Tesio database is no longer supported.

I'm running an old program which I update with new stallions and mares as required, however can't see how I can enter these new chefs for dosage purposes.

Can you please help?
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If yours is the same as mine 10? just go to the icon at the top and click on tables then Chefs de race, scroll down to the bottom and you can add on new stallions.. I Hope??
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Thanks Progold Thumbs Up  I was going to ask the same as 2nd Chance; in my case TP10.
We can update the Stallion database at will & for free but not form & new horses etc. There appears to be no add Chef de R options
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should be able to Gay, I've done it, but it is a manual task.. I have a huge list here, some were on but many not and I'm still not finished loading mine, I'm not sure what I do with my days Wink
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I have been in touch with Alistair from TesioPower and he will hopefully update the list in the near future.  I still use TP8, and had to buy a new computer still operating Windows 7 in order to not have to update all of my databases that cannot be converted to TP10.  With TP8 it was always a matter of going to the end of the chefs list and clicking the empty row and adding the new name.
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Thanks Progold & GAJ but on TP10 I can't find a chefs list to update/add to.
Could you 1/2/3 step by step or screenshot it GAJ? The latter has to be saved to desktop then uploaded to postimages or whatever uploaded you have then Copy Forum link onto here.

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It should be under Tools at the top.  Click that for the drop down menu and Chefs de Race should be found in there.  Then go to the end of the list to add a new chef.
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As a final note, I would suggest including all of these under the ANZ tab and setting that as your default dosage list.
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Sorry, can't find "tools". Where exactly does this appear on the screen?
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Just had a look at the website and the screenshot, and I am guessing if you click on the Tesipower 10 symbol on the top left of the screen it will have a dropdown menu.  TP8 had a series of tabs with File, Edit, Reports, Tools and Help so they probably moved them behind that button.
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Yes very top left, little circle icon with 10 on it, click on it go to tables and across to chefs.. I'll do some screen shots Gay3 soon..
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I am very happy to announce that the very good resource, pedigreequery.com, has included the updated ANZ chefs-de-race list for their pedigree service.  Great news for followers of dosage who do not have access to their own database.  
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and who pray tell designated these?
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what i meant is who does the appraisals/designations for pedigreequery?
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Originally posted by Progold Progold wrote:

I am happy to announce, albeit a little belatedly, an update to the existing ANZ chefs-de-race list.  These were compiled by John Hutchinson from Scone Bloodstock who has been instrumental in the development of this list originally with the TesioPower program.  They are listed below but I have put more detail on these stallions, and some of the reasoning behind their classification at one on the dosage websites, www.dosages.com.au.

Exceed and Excel (B)

Pivotal (I/C)

Fastnet Rock (B/C)

Rossendale (C)

Galileo (C/S)

Seeking The Gold (I)

High Chaparral (C)

Shamardal (I/C)

Hussonet (I)

Storm Cat (I)

I Am Invincible (B)

Sunday Silence (C)

Lonhro (I)

Testa Rossa (B/I)

Made of Gold (B)

Thorn Park (I/C)

Northern Meteor (B)

The Welkin (B/C)

Pantheon (S)

Thunder Gulch (C)

Peintre Celebre (I/C)

Woodman (I/S)

i can agree to eight of them,but need some justification to the rest of them rather than a hunch
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my list for what its worth and i have had these in my db for some years, the ones i omitted dont cut the mustard with me, good stallions BUT i feel some of them are becoming slightly irrelevent in pedigrees, i am invincible is prob the only one i may include in my list, incidently i have 474 "chefs" on my list correct or not leaning toward vuillier as a backup to dosage appraisal, upside for vuillier is that you can use it to define defincies of certain influences within a pedigree, and breed to them, dosage great, + vuillier mmmm mmm

Exceed and Excel (B)


Fastnet Rock (B/C)


Galileo (C/S)


High Chaparral (C)


Hussonet (I)

Storm Cat (I)

Lonhro (I)

Sunday Silence (C)






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dont forget though whatever method of keyboard analysis of a pedigree you subscribe to, nothing beats the proof in the pudding, ie wins, for the racing ones  and nice conformation and tractability (for the unrcaced juvenile brigade)
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If you are interested in some of the reasoning behind the new classifications in the Australia and New Zealand list of chefs-de-race, please have a look at http://www.dosages.com.au/about.
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with all due respect pro, i do know how dosage works, i should, only been a devotee ever since an australian thoroughbreds article on it n the early 70's,and regularly corresponded with roman, lol, i think i got bamboozled with the reference to pedigreequery, a good site in its own right, didnt realise till after that jh asigned them, still, i do rememeber some from years ago taking a crack at me for designating danehill as more than a speed influence (proven), what most people, let alone dosage aficionado"s, don"t realise, is that as stallions crops age ther ability to get over distances usually increases rather than decreasing and or staying the same, so in most cases a stallions get will get further distances as they age, and ,like i said dosage gr8 add vuillier greater, problem is not too many understand how vuillier works, mores the pity
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With Dr Roman's retirement, we have found that the lack of classification of international stallions has led to a number of horses having trivial dosage profiles. This is not necessarily an issue, as it tells us something on its own, but we were seeing some that had no points within 4 generation profiles which in my view detracts from the study of dosages.  Pedigreequery.com were happy to utilise the ANZ chefs list developed by John Hutchinson over many years as it gives a more complete picture. Hopefully we will get more international input in the not too distant future and I have been in touch with some overseas dosage experts and we can make some announcement shortly. The link was for some of the reasoning behind the latest additions and their impact on their progeny.  An interesting point regarding stallions having more of a stamina influence as they age.  Possibly there is a physical impact of ageing on a stallions offspring, but I would caution on this assumption. Danehill of course is a quite unique example, as he largely had a bit of a different impact between Australia and England albeit incredible success in both countries. There is a chance that as a stallion achieves success with early 2yo's, they are rewarded with better mares who usually have more stamina laden pedigrees.  Danehill for example was able to givee us Nothin' Leica Dane and Arena in his early crops and horses like Fastnet Rock and Exceed And Excel in his later crops.
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i mentioned to jh years ago that in retrospect, it would have been better right from the getgo if stallions were assigned as either a "chef" (creme de la creme) or assigned to a suplementary list, similar to hh tak and vuillier in the trans categorie, trans brilliant etc and those in the second category recognised by their inclusion, for upgrading the breed without having the basics to achieve a chef's status. doing that would more than likely have given clearer aptitudinal traits, a point that should be recognised is the fact the vuillier included mares in his lists, many people assume that he had one list, which is not the case, in fact up until the recent past mme vuillier, in her nearly 90's was still in the employ of hh the ak (karim) the ak studs continue to excel and still follow the tenets set down by vuillier and the old ak, and like i said, basic horse sense and the ability to "spot" a horse was also employed ala lmbton and others, once vuilier and the ak had identified a "hit list" lambton and hos successors went to work with theirphysical analysis side of things which contributed to the phenomenal run of success since the earlys days of the 20th century

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