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Originally posted by maccamax maccamax wrote:

The TBV "Dog Pack" must be almost ready to start attacking Boring Boris .

He is now PM and that means he cannot be supported by the Local loons..

Our rusted on Lefties can't allow anything like that to happen.

Son't be silly Macca, he is not a lying, crooked, racist,bullying, thieving piece of trash.
Some may disagree with his statements or actions but he is not filth 
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There were no attacks on Theresa May or David Cameron maxie. Why would there now be attacks on Boris?

Lol. It starts...
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I'm interested to see a no-deal WTO rules Brexit because the fear of it looks greatly exaggerated to me. But if I'm wrong then it's no skin off my nose.
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They have been discussing this for a while now since it became apparent that a hard Brexit was more than a possibility. I think Britain will be locked out of WTO for 6 or 7 years. Some of the more dire prediction have global GDP implications. Hard to see it though.
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Originally posted by Tlazolteotl Tlazolteotl wrote:

When you compare the US electoral process to the Australian electoral process, from beginning to end, we look like geniuses.

Every part of the US system is rotten, beginning with disenfrachising millions, ending at the Electoral College, and all stops in between.

 

Excellent piece on the electoral college and how Trump's vile racist agenda is a strategy to win it again.


Trump’s Racist Electoral Chess Board

His racism is turning off lots of people, but mostly those who live in blue states that he lost in 2016.
 
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A follow up


Electoral College

Richard North Patterson has a great piece up today about how, in 2020, the Electoral College is, in a sense, incentivizing Trump's racism.

Here's RNP:
 
Trump sees his racial provocations as strategic. Notes the Atlantic: “nstead of campaigning on his administration’s signature achievements — cutting regulation, appointing conservative judges, presiding over steady economic growth — [Trump] seems intent on reprising his 2016 run, a campaign largely built on fear, resentment and division.” 

Ironically, his malign electoral incentives are embedded in our most revered foundational document: the Constitution. Explains The New Yorker: “To restate the obvious: the president is unpopular. Despite this… he’s concentrating on turning out his base of disaffected white voters, particularly those living in the Midwestern states that tipped the Electoral College his way.” In the New York Times, Nate Cohn amplified Trump’s electoral calculus — given his advantage in the Electoral College, Cohn estimates, he “could win while losing the national [popular] vote by as much as five percentage points.” 

 

Read the whole thing. There's a lot in there and it's all very interesting.

But there are two follow-on points that I think are worth making.

The first is that it didn't have to be this way. Trump supporters like to say that Trump was the only candidate in 2016 who could have beaten Hillary Clinton.

This seems very wrong to me.

I'm open to the idea that Trump is the only candidate who could have beaten Hillary Clinton in the way he did: Which is to say, lose the popular vote and then win Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin.

2016 presented two electoral pathways for Republicans. The first was to become a white-identity party and try to win a narrow EC victory by flipping industrial Midwestern states. That's what Trump did.

The other pathway was to become a majority party. If someone else had been the nominee—Marco Rubio, Chris Christie, Scott Walker, take your pick—the likely EC map would have had Democrats holding Pennsylvania and Michigan and Republicans taking Wisconsin, New Hampshire, Virginia, Colorado, and Nevada.

At which point the party is set to try to expand the map further in 2020 and integrate even more groups into their coalition.

As it is, the party is now mortgaged to white identity politics and has no real pathway forward except to hope that Trump draws a radical challenger and then hold on for dear life.

The second thing I wanted to say about the Electoral College is that it is an under-appreciated aspect of our republican system.

Because people are generally garbage—that's just a fact; science—direct democracy should be mediated at every possible juncture.

The EC does that. But it does a lot more. It essentially enforces a two-party system by not allowing third parties to gain any purchase unless they can win entire states. This has the effect of taking every policy dispute and having it sorted in a binary way by the two parties.

Are there downsides to this? Sure.

But there are very real upsides, too. A parliamentary system with dozens of parties is fine for smaller countries. The smaller the political system, the more nimble it can be.

But America has 330 million people in it. Our government handles like an aircraft carrier. Which means that our political system should have as many hedges built into it as possible. We want issues to be digested slowly by our political parties.

So two cheers for the Electoral College. The problem we face today isn't the EC. It's the GOP.
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The number of Democratic members of the House of Representatives who support impeachment today rose to 114, up from 83 prior to Me Mueller testifying last week. A majority of the House Judiciary Committee where impeachment begins supports it.
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Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

The number of Democratic members of the House of Representatives who support impeachment today rose to 114, up from 83 prior to Me Mueller testifying last week. A majority of the House Judiciary Committee where impeachment begins supports it.
Of course. All are Dems. Running out of info to post, are you?
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I said they are Dems. That is still where impeachment starts isn't it Shammy, in the House Judiciary?

 While the dotard believes he can stop impeachment in the courts, his loyal puppy Barr hasn't explained how it works  to him yet. #MoscowMitch told Donald he would take care of it for him and that's all that matters, and Barr wouldn't dare tell him anything different.

Anyway, Nancy's grand plan is going along terrific. The Judiciary is holding their pre impeachment inquiry, getting the legal stuff sorted, sending out subpoenas etc. 

All tentative Dems on break will hold town halls and talk to constituents before returning in 6 weeks to report where their districts stand. Nancy as House leader has her majority and particularly the 40 new members to protect. September is when it all advances quicklyThumbs Up
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#MoscowMitch got a run at the Democratic debate today and got big applause.

It has been trending for 4 days now and he hates it. It is a winner for Democrats.

Moscow Mitch undermines Impeachment of Trump and his Russia conspiracy is not going to be a good headline for next year.
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117 now Shammy. Only one more needed.
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A very helpful update from Nancy on the progress of the various House committees efforts to bring back rule of law to the gigantic Trump swamp.

Pelosi Statement on Progress of House Investigations

AUGUST 2, 2019

Washington, D.C. – Speaker Nancy Pelosi released this statement on the progress of the House’s investigations:

“When we take the oath of office, we solemnly vow ‘to support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic.’  The Mueller report states unequivocally that Russia interfered in the 2016 election ‘in sweeping and systematic fashion.’  And the Intelligence Community informs us that Russia is working 24/7 to undermine our elections.  This assault on our elections is a serious national security matter which the President chooses to ignore.

“The Mueller report and his testimony last week confirmed that the President’s campaign welcomed Russian interference in the election, and laid out ten instances of the President’s obstruction of justice.  The President’s more recent attempts to prevent us from finding the facts is further evidence of obstruction of justice.

“To protect our democracy and our Constitution, Democrats in the Congress continue to legislate, investigate and litigate.

Litigation:

  • Last week, Jerry Nadler, Chair of Judiciary, took a significant step when he filed a petition to obtain the grand jury testimony underlying the Mueller report, for the House to ‘have access to all the relevant facts and consider whether to exercise its full Article I powers, including a constitutional power of the utmost gravity — approval of articles of impeachment.’
  • Elijah Cummings, Chair of Oversight and Reform, is winning in court in the Mazars case, seeking the President’s financial statements and reports prepared by his accountant to determine financial conflicts, violations of the Emoluments Clause, and the truthfulness of representations contained in the President’s statutorily required financial disclosure forms;
  • Maxine Waters, Chair of Financial Services and Adam Schiff, Chair of Intelligence are winning in court in the Deutsche Bank case, seeking the President’s bank account records to assist with the Committees’ investigation of unsafe banking practices, including money laundering, illicit transactions and foreign investments;
  • Richie Neal, Chair of Ways and Means, is pursuing the President’s tax returns to assist with the ongoing investigation of the IRS’s presidential tax audit program;
  • Eliot Engel, Chair of Foreign Affairs, on another front, is investigating the Russia connection with hearings seeking the facts from the Trump-Putin meetings;
  • In addition, last week, the House voted to reiterate its oversight authority, and ratified and affirmed the subpoenas already issued by the committees and any subpoenas to come.  Responding to the subpoenas gives the President an opportunity to provide information that could exonerate him.  If he has nothing to hide, he should cooperate with the subpoenas.

Investigation:

  • Our litigation has been strengthened by the months of work from our six committees which are engaged in the investigations.  54 percent of House Democrats serve on these committees engaged in hearings and investigations, and I am very proud of their work.

Legislation:

  • We have sent the Securing America’s Federal Elections Act to the Senate.  However, Mitch McConnell refuses to take up this legislation or any other legislation to protect our democracy.  Why do the President and the Republican Leader in the Senate choose to protect Russia rather than to protect the integrity of our elections?  We will continue to lead a drumbeat across the country demanding the GOP Senate act.

“The assault on our elections and our Constitution is a grave national security issue.  We owe it to our Founders to sustain our system of checks and balances and our democracy.  We owe it to our heroic men and women in uniform who risk their lives for freedom to defend our democracy at home.  We owe it to our children to ensure that no present or future president can dishonor the oath of office without being held accountable.

“In America, no one is above the law.  The President will be held accountable.”


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Nadler: ‘This is formal impeachment proceedings’

House Judiciary Committee Chairman Jerry Nadler said publicly for the first time on Thursday that his panel is conducting an impeachment inquiry into President Donald Trump, adding that the committee will decide by the end of the year whether to refer articles of impeachment to the House floor.

The committee has said as much in recent court filings as it seeks former special counsel Robert Mueller’s grand jury materials and testimony from his investigation’s star witnesses. But it was a rare rhetorical escalation from the New York Democrat, who has privately pushed Speaker Nancy Pelosi to support a formal inquiry of whether to remove the president from office.

“This is formal impeachment proceedings,” Nadler said in a CNN interview. “We are investigating all the evidence, gathering the evidence. And we will [at the] conclusion of this — hopefully by the end of the year — vote to vote articles of impeachment to the House floor. Or we won’t. That’s a decision that we’ll have to make. But that’s exactly the process we’re in right now.”

That timeline would put an impeachment battle in the middle of the Democratic presidential primary contests, which begin in early 2020 — a concern for Democrats who believe that the window to act on impeachment is quickly closing. more....

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It might be worth pointing out to whale and rusty that the impeachment thing is useless.
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I thought you said you actually read these threads before you snipe.

I didn't really believe you. Just like the Mueller Report Embarrassed
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Democrats Plan Vote to Formalize Procedures for Impeachment Investigation

Sept. 8, 2019, 6:01 p.m. ET

WASHINGTON — The House Judiciary Committee plans to vote this week to formalize procedures for a growing impeachment inquiry, clarifying its investigative authorities and granting President Trump new due process, a draft resolution shows.

The Judiciary Committee took similar steps in the 1970s and 1990s when it conducted impeachment inquiries into Presidents Richard M. Nixon and Bill Clinton. Now, as then, Democrats believe the resolution, a copy of which was reviewed by The New York Times, will allow the panel to speed up its work and potentially elicit more information than it otherwise could about instances of possible obstruction of justice and abuses of power by Mr. Trump.

The development carries significant symbolic weight, as well.

Though the committee has already informed federal courts and the public that it is in the midst of a full-scale impeachment inquiry, the three-page resolution will be the first time lawmakers have recorded a vote to that effect. Committee leaders hope the move will send a signal to Congress and the White House that their investigation is not only proceeding but intensifying, even as the broader Democratic Party caucus remains divided over the merits of ultimately voting to impeach Mr. Trump.

Based on the committee’s investigative plans, the new procedures could be put to the test quickly in the coming weeks.

The committee is preparing to rapidly broaden the substance of the inquiry this fall beyond the investigation into any role by Trump associates in Russia’s meddling in the 2016 presidential election. On the agenda for new scrutiny are Mr. Trump’s role in illegal hush payments to women who said they had affairs with him, reports that he dangled pardons to immigration officials and whether his hotels and resorts have illegally profited from government spending.

If adopted, the new procedures would allow the committee’s chairman, Representative Jerrold Nadler of New York, to designate hearings of either the full Judiciary Committee or its subcommittees to be a part of the inquiry and subject to special rules. Though it sounds inconsequential, including the smaller, nimbler subcommittees in the inquiry would allow Democrats to speed up their work or steer less significant witnesses to the smaller panels.

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Another provision says that after lawmakers themselves have exhausted time for questioning, committee staff members would be allowed to question a witness “for an additional hour equally divided between the majority and minority.” Democrats hope the arrangement will allow for more detailed, uninterrupted questioning.

The resolution also sets out standards that say information collected by the committee from witnesses or grand jury information shared by the courts should be kept private unless Mr. Nadler chooses otherwise.

And, for the first time, Mr. Trump and his legal team would be afforded specific due process by the committee, allowing them to regularly offer input on the findings of the investigation.

“The president’s counsel may respond in writing to information and testimony presented to the committee in open session,” the resolution says, adding that Mr. Trump’s lawyers may also be invited to review and respond to information kept secret if the chairman chooses.

One of the aides involved in drafting the resolution said that the president’s lawyers could yet play a larger, in-person role, as well, if they requested it.

There may be other benefits to taking a procedural vote, too. Though the resolution does not mention matters of decorum, Democrats believe the vote to adopt it will allow lawmakers to get around normal House rules that limit their ability to accuse the president of crime, the aide said.

The Judiciary Committee plans to finalize the resolution on Monday, the aides said, and could vote as soon as Wednesday to adopt it. Details of the procedures were first reported on Friday by Politico after Judiciary Committee aides briefed lawmakers on the planned vote, but the draft text has not previously been reported.

Lawmakers from the president’s party have oscillated between criticizing the mechanics of Democrats’ investigation and dismissing their’ impeachment efforts as a pathetic and futile hunt for nonexistent evidence to oust Mr. Trump. But without the votes to overpower the Democrats, they have little recourse but to vocally object.

“If they really want to do this, they have to bring impeachment to the floor,” the top Republican on the committee, Representative Doug Collins of Georgia, said on Fox News on Sunday. “This is simply a show. It is a travesty. And, frankly, they should be ashamed.”

The Judiciary Committee has been edging toward a full-scale impeachment inquiry since the spring, when Democrats began calling witnesses and demanding evidence related to a range of potential presidential misconduct.

But only in July, after testimony from Robert S. Mueller III, the special counsel, did the committee formally declare to a judge that what had begun as a regular congressional oversight investigation was now primarily focused on whether to recommend articles of impeachment.


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I could not care less about this cobblers - however the following headline caught my eye - "Democrats Plan Vote to Formalise Procedures for Impeachment Investigation". Bit of a mouthful isn't it. So they are going to vote to try to formailse a procedure to INVESTIGATE impeachment. I thought that had been going on for years already - Deary Me ! Think its pretty fair it wont be happening too soon
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Give up on this one PT. Scraping of the Sydney Lockout Laws by caving into the Hotels Assosn lobbyists would be a better project. Few noses in the trough there i would suggest.
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It is a complicated process oneone. They cant just punt a dud like we did with Abbott. 

Democrats are entering the formal part of it. Going to be an interesting and lively lead up to the next election. 
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It is a complicated process oneone. They cant just punt a dud like we did with Abbott. Rudd

Democrats are entering the formal part of it. Going to be an interesting and lively lead up to the next election. 
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I could not care less about this cobblers - however the following headline caught my eye - "Democrats Plan Vote to Formalise Procedures for Impeachment Investigation". Bit of a mouthful isn't it. So they are going to vote to try to formailse a procedure to INVESTIGATE impeachment. I thought that had been going on for years already - Deary Me ! Think its pretty fair it wont be happening too soon

They'd better call up Oprah fast because they are looking beyond ridiculous. The best non-Trump candidate if you want to bet might be a republican challenger - it certainly won't be Bernie et al.
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America is done with reality tv show personalities after the current disaster.
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When you hate America and the US Citizens with a real passion, and someone mentions how successful Trump and Capitalism have been!Angry

IMPEACH!!!!!

RRRRRREEEEEEEE!!!!!

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I dont hate America. I been praying for Alabama all week.Star
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You must have been disappointed when Trump fixed that Hurricane/Climate Change threat PT ... what was the final body count in the USA ... zero? ... just turned into some localised flooding didn't it? ... never mind, maybe the Trump Deranged will have something to blame him for, next time.Cry

Hope you didn't pop a blood vessel like Old Mate Creepy Joe did!LOL
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The catastrophic storm has left at least 44 people dead in the Bahamas and at least two people dead in the US. As many as 70,000 people have been left homeless due to the storm in the Bahamas, and roughly 800 people were stranded on an island off the coast of North Carolina, cut off by flooding.
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Oh look Donny has sent Kremlin Barbie to assess the damage in Alabama. That will be 2 disasters dumped on them in a week. 

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The catastrophic storm has left at least 44 people dead in the Bahamas and at least two people dead in the US. As many as 70,000 people have been left homeless due to the storm in the Bahamas, and roughly 800 people were stranded on an island off the coast of North Carolina, cut off by flooding.

2 Dead and 800 stranded ... that's terrible!Cry

Ask the citizens of Socialist Venezuela if they would like to swap ... Embarrassed
In reference to every post in the Trump thread ... "There may have been a tiny bit of license taken there" ... Ok, Thanks for the "heads up" PT!
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