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Petition for Grand Jury materials from the Mueller Inquiry.



APPLICATION OF THE COMMITTEE ON THE JUDICIARY, U.S. HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES, FOR AN ORDER AUTHORIZING THE RELEASE OF CERTAIN GRAND JURY MATERIALS 

Pursuant to Local Rule 57.6, the United States House of Representatives, Committee on the Judiciary (the Committee), through undersigned counsel, respectfully requests that this Court issue an order pursuant to Federal Rule of Criminal Procedure 6(e) authorizing the release to the Committee of: (1) all portions of Special Counsel Robert S. Mueller III’s Report on the Investigation Into Russian Interference In The 2016 Presidential Election (the Mueller Report) that were redacted pursuant to Federal Rule of Criminal Procedure 6(e); (2) any underlying transcripts or exhibits referenced in the portions of the Mueller Report that were redacted pursuant to Rule 6(e); and (3) transcripts of any underlying grand jury testimony and any grand jury exhibits that relate directly to (A) President Trump’s knowledge of efforts by Russia to interfere in the 2016 U.S. Presidential election; (B) President Trump’s knowledge of any direct or indirect links or contacts between individuals associated with his Presidential campaign and Russia, including with respect to Russia’s election interference efforts; (C) President Trump’s knowledge of any potential criminal acts by him or any members of his administration, his campaign, his personal associates, or anyone associated with his administration or campaign; or (D) actions taken by former White House Counsel Donald F. McGahn II during the campaign, the transition, or McGahn’s period of service as White House Counsel. 

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You could have made it more accurate and appropriate ... 

"The Final Demise of the Democrates and Socialism in America Thread"
In reference to every post in the Trump thread ... "There may have been a tiny bit of license taken there" ... Ok, Thanks for the "heads up" PT!
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Did you see Donald lashing out on twitter today at Fox? 

They aren't lying for him about his horrible poll numbers any more and he is upset with them.

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He is a whiny bastard. 
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Whine and Win!Thumbs Up
In reference to every post in the Trump thread ... "There may have been a tiny bit of license taken there" ... Ok, Thanks for the "heads up" PT!
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Not with 42%

Why do you think he is lashing out at everyone?
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Republicans have to be testing the name President Pence.
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This has a familiar ring to it, except that the Dems are even more on the nose than when Shrillary was their feckless leader and in the process of losing the unloseable election (oh wait, or was that Bill Shorten?) - who IS their leader now, btw???... is it John Setka too?Sleepy
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Why, do you see me in your nightmares?LOL
In reference to every post in the Trump thread ... "There may have been a tiny bit of license taken there" ... Ok, Thanks for the "heads up" PT!
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How it works.

The Supreme Court has explained that Congress has not only the power, but the duty, to investigate so it can inform the public of the operations of government:

It is the proper duty of a representative body to look diligently into every affair of government and to talk much about what it sees. It is meant to be the eyes and the voice, and to embody the wisdom and will of its constituents. Unless Congress have and use every means of acquainting itself with the acts and the disposition of the administrative agents of the government, the country must be helpless to learn how it is being served; and unless Congress both scrutinize these things and sift them by every form of discussion, the country must remain in embarrassing, crippling ignorance of the very affairs which it is most important that it should understand and direct. The informing function of Congress should be preferred even to its legislative function.[25]

 

House of Representatives: Impeachment

 

 

Impeachment proceedings may be requested by a member of the House of Representatives on his or her own initiative, either by presenting a list of the charges under oath or by asking for referral to the appropriate committee. The impeachment process may be requested by non-members. For example, when the Judicial Conference of the United Statessuggests a federal judge be impeached, a charge of actions constituting grounds for impeachment may come from a special prosecutor, the President, or state or territorial legislaturegrand jury, or by petition. An impeachment proceeding formally begins with a resolution adopted by the full House of Representatives, which typically includes a referral to a House committee.

The type of impeachment resolution determines the committee to which it is referred. A resolution impeaching a particular individual is typically referred to the House Committee on the Judiciary. A resolution to authorize an investigation regarding impeachable conduct is referred to the House Committee on Rules, and then to the Judiciary Committee. The House Committee on the Judiciary, by majority vote, will determine whether grounds for impeachment exist. If the Committee finds grounds for impeachment, it will set forth specific allegations of misconduct in one or more articles of impeachment. The Impeachment Resolution, or Articles of Impeachment, are then reported to the full House with the committee's recommendations.

The House debates the resolution and may at the conclusion consider the resolution as a whole or vote on each article of impeachment individually. A simple majority of those present and voting is required for each article for the resolution as a whole to pass. If the House votes to impeach, managers (typically referred to as "House managers", with a "lead House manager") are selected to present the case to the Senate. Recently, managers have been selected by resolution, while historically the House would occasionally elect the managers or pass a resolution allowing the appointment of managers at the discretion of the Speaker of the United States House of Representatives. These managers are roughly the equivalent of the prosecution or district attorney in a standard criminal trial.

Also, the House will adopt a resolution in order to notify the Senate of its action. After receiving the notice, the Senate will adopt an order notifying the House that it is ready to receive the managers. The House managers then appear before the bar of the Senate and exhibit the articles of impeachment. After the reading of the charges, the managers return and make a verbal report to the House.

Senate: Trial

 

 

The proceedings unfold in the form of a trial, with each side having the right to call witnesses and perform cross-examinations. The House members, who are given the collective title of managers during the course of the trial, present the prosecution case, and the impeached official has the right to mount a defense with his or her own attorneys as well. Senators must also take an oath or affirmation that they will perform their duties honestly and with due diligence. After hearing the charges, the Senate usually deliberates in private. The Constitution requires a two-thirds super majority to convict a person being impeached.[26] The Senate enters judgment on its decision, whether that be to convict or acquit, and a copy of the judgment is filed with the Secretary of State.[19] Upon conviction in the Senate, the official is automatically removed from office and may also be barred from holding future office. The trial is not an actual criminal proceeding and more closely resembles a civil service termination appeal in terms of the contemplated deprivation. Therefore, the removed official may still be liable to criminal prosecution under a subsequent criminal proceeding. The President may not grant a pardon in the impeachment case, but may in any resulting Federal criminal case.[27]

Beginning in the 1980s with Harry E. Claiborne, the Senate began using "Impeachment Trial Committees" pursuant to Senate Rule XI.[19] These committees presided over the evidentiary phase of the trials, hearing the evidence and supervising the examination and cross-examination of witnesses. The committees would then compile the evidentiary record and present it to the Senate; all senators would then have the opportunity to review the evidence before the chamber voted to convict or acquit. The purpose of the committees was to streamline impeachment trials, which otherwise would have taken up a great deal of the chamber's time. Defendants challenged the use of these committees, claiming them to be a violation of their fair trial rights as this did not meet the constitutional requirement for their cases to be "tried by the Senate". Several impeached judges, including District Court Judge Walter Nixon, sought court intervention in their impeachment proceedings on these grounds. In Nixon v. United States (1993), the Supreme Court determined that the federal judiciary could not review such proceedings, as matters related to impeachment trials are political questions and could not be resolved in the courts.[2]

In theory at least, as President of the Senate, the Vice President of the United States could preside over their own impeachment, although legal theories suggest that allowing a defendant to be the judge in their own case would be a blatant conflict of interest. If the Vice President did not preside over an impeachment (of anyone besides the President), the duties would fall to the President pro tempore of the Senate.

To convict an accused, "the concurrence of two thirds of the [Senators] present" for at least one article is required. If there is no single charge commanding a "guilty" vote of two-thirds majority of the senators present, the defendant is acquitted and no punishment is imposed.

Results of conviction.

Conviction removes the defendant from office. Following conviction, the Senate may vote to further punish the individual by barring him or her from holding future federal office, elected or appointed. However, conviction does not extend to further punishment, for example, loss of pension. After conviction by the Senate, "the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment and Punishment, according to Law" in the regular federal or state courts.

 


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Senate rules on Impeachment. The first section will become important as this process progresses, as it may not happen.


RULES OF PROCEDURE AND PRACTICE IN THE SENATE WHEN SITTING ON IMPEACHMENT TRIALS [Revised pursuant to S. Res. 479, 99–2, Aug. 16, 1986] 

I. Whensoever the Senate shall receive notice from the 100 House of Representatives that managers are appointed on their part to conduct an impeachment against any person and are directed to carry articles of impeachment to the Senate, the Secretary of the Senate shall immediately inform the House of Representatives that the Senate is ready to receive the managers for the purpose of exhibiting such articles of impeachment, agreeably to such notice.

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Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

Senate rules on Impeachment. The first section will become important as this process progresses, as it may not happen. . .

Ah! The light bulb has finally turned on in PT'S thinking. Now picture this as Pelosi stalls and Nadler whines.

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Now that the process is under way.
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Originally posted by Shammy Davis Shammy Davis wrote:

Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

Senate rules on Impeachment. The first section will become important as this process progresses, as it may not happen. . .

Ah! The light bulb has finally turned on in PT'S thinking. Now picture this as Pelosi stalls and Nadler whines.


You are funny Shammy. LOL

You know I told you what the strategy would be last Nov and several times since. Jerry has just taken the first ptep towards obtaining grand jury materials(you know all the times Donald and his kids were blacked out) 

The difference is that Jerry is very smart and is sidestepping that corrupt Senate Leader MoscowMitch who boasts that he will shut down the Senate vote before it happens. Wink
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They have to get the full story out there PT and once they do it should all happen very quickly. Trump can’t be impeached if the Republicans stick solid with him, but that would be pretty hard for them to do once the so far hidden info is out there. It’s all very interesting!
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That is the point of what Democrats are trying to do Baguette.

Impeachment only happens in Republicans vote with Democrats and deliver a 67% verdict. That simply wont happen, and McConnell has said he will shut down the Senate vote.

Democrats job is to investigate and hand their findings to the Senate who hold a trial.

Democrats inform the Senate of their Manager choices and the Senate then select their Managers and the process begins.

What Democrats are doing is to not name Managers but continue with the pre Impeachment investigations. With no  Senate Managers the process ends with a vote on the House floor to presumably find Trump guilty but to not continue to a Senate trial.

This pre Impeachment inquiry they believe allows them to obtain what they want from the court and it adds weight to a judge forcing all the Trump obstructers from appearing before them 
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The Republicans are getting away with it at the moment because they can frame it as a “ fake news witch hunt” only because we don’t know the full story. The extent they’re going to to make sure we don’t know that full story to me is highly suspicious. Surely an innocent person would want it all out there to prove their innocence? To me this has never been a political left versus right situation . This is a criminal in the Whitehouse situation. I find it so strange that all Americans aren’t demanding it gets sorted ASAP!
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They got a jump on the process with William Barr declaring Trump had not done anything wrong and Trump declaring he was exonerated.

Wednesday was the first time people not actually paying attention got to hear the facts of the situation, 9 weeks later. 9 weeks for those lies to go unchallenged. 

Just as after Mueller's 12 minute public statement, it changed views with some Republicans saying they had never heard it suggested Trump had done anything wrong.

Wednesday was devastating for Trump and there is now 6 weeks of no Congress where members go back to their districts and hold town hall meetings and talk to constituents to explain what happened last Wednesday. On returning, hopefully a lot of the ongoing legal stuff is cleared up and public hearings will continue unobstructed.

Last Wednesday, not a single Republican questioned Mueller's findings, they just tried to discredit the process, the inquiries origins and the people conducting the inquiry.

Not one asked Mueller a question on the substance of his finding, because they couldn't.
Also none asked questions on the basis of the inquiry, the Russian attack on their elections, because they are relying on it again next year.
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Trump will have to leave the Oval Office though.
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He desperately hopes he is re-elected but 2024 wont save him from prison though.

Who was the last President whose sole reason for needing re-election was to try to avoid prison?
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Originally posted by Shammy Davis Shammy Davis wrote:

Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

Senate rules on Impeachment. The first section will become important as this process progresses, as it may not happen. . .

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You are funny Shammy. LOL

You know I told you what the strategy would be last Nov and several times since. Jerry has just taken the first ptep towards obtaining grand jury materials(you know all the times Donald and his kids were blacked out) 

The difference is that Jerry is very smart and is sidestepping that corrupt Senate Leader MoscowMitch who boasts that he will shut down the Senate vote before it happens. Wink


But, but, but, nothing is going to happen. Didn't Jerry tell you that Congress is in recess until September 6th? When they convene again it will be just in time to recess for the holidays.

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Keep up please Shammy. How many times have I told you this whole process is about the timing of the public hearings. Maximum impact Shammy, and that isn't doing it now. 

I know you Trumpers would love to have this over with very soon so that the Trump/Russia/Hannity propaganda machine can roll back into action with plenty of time before the elections.

What did Nancy say in a candid moment? I dont want him Impeached, I want him in prison. 
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When you compare the US electoral process to the Australian electoral process, from beginning to end, we look like geniuses.

Every part of the US system is rotten, beginning with disenfrachising millions, ending at the Electoral College, and all stops in between.
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Very true tlaz. In an article this week it was suggested that things are so badly skewed now that Trump could technically lose the popular vote by 5 million this time and still win. He lost by 3 million to Hillary.
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Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

Keep up please Shammy. How many times have I told you this whole process is about the timing of the public hearings. Maximum impact Shammy, and that isn't doing it now. 

I know you Trumpers would love to have this over with very soon so that the Trump/Russia/Hannity propaganda machine can roll back into action with plenty of time before the elections.

What did Nancy say in a candid moment? I dont want him Impeached, I want him in prison. 


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The TBV "Dog Pack" must be almost ready to start attacking Boring Boris .

He is now PM and that means he cannot be supported by the Local loons..

Our rusted on Lefties can't allow anything like that to happen.
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There were no attacks on Theresa May or David Cameron maxie. Why would there now be attacks on Boris?
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