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    Posted: 23 May 2010 at 10:34pm
I loved Triple Honour's run yesterday, he's been reinvigorated this prep.

John O'Shea is giving him his first go at 2400m next start, in the P J O'Shea Stakes.

Do we think that he'll stay 2400m?

If he does win the O'Shea, don't be surprised to see him in the Cups in the spring.
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Chris Waller - sorry, I was thinking about the O'Shea Stakes and just wrote John O'Shea.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote James0330 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 May 2010 at 10:57pm
Definately runs as if 2000m is his go these days as hes lost that speed/sprint from the year he won the Doncaster Handicap.

Not sure about 2400m though... his Sire Honours List wont get him too far and his distaff is suited to 2000m max.

He is racing as if it might suit...but then Weekend Hussler was going to win the Cups Double :-P

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Was a top run..
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I'd be very surprised if he wins over 2400m as he hasn't been able to win over 2000m yet.

BUT...Waller is a man in unstoppable form. I wouldn't doubt him if he thought Triple Honour could do it.
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Chris Waller is building a reputation as a trainer of stayers (and hurdlers). 

Triple Honour is a horse who has a reputation based on a win in a Doncaster on a heavy track.

He won 2/3 of his prizemoney total that day and has only won 1 of 22 starts since, and not for 21 months.

He has won only 2 of 27 Listed starts. He is a limited horse, past his best

He ran 4th in the Doomben Cup last year, yet it isn't till now are we hearing of a staying attempt.

This is clearly a last throw of the dice and nothing to be getting hopeful about as far as next Spring goes.

Had he thought he would stay, Waller would have identified it, and tested him well before this.


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A very hard horse to follow at times. 
 
His dam is by Nassipour which screams 2400m plus immediately.  Not to mention he is closely bred to Emerald, the outstanding Group 1 winning NZ mare who ran 2nd in a Wellington Cup over 3200m on her day.
 
Would love to see him win the O'Shea Stakes because it automatically qualifies him to both Cups.
 
Never thought I'd see the day that Triple Honour would be a Cups contender...........
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Originally posted by Browndog Browndog wrote:

Chris Waller is building a reputation as a trainer of stayers (and hurdlers). 

Triple Honour is a horse who has a reputation based on a win in a Doncaster on a heavy track.

He won 2/3 of his prizemoney total that day and has only won 1 of 22 starts since, and not for 21 months.

He has won only 2 of 27 Listed starts. He is a limited horse, past his best

He ran 4th in the Doomben Cup last year, yet it isn't till now are we hearing of a staying attempt.

This is clearly a last throw of the dice and nothing to be getting hopeful about as far as next Spring goes.

Had he thought he would stay, Waller would have identified it, and tested him well before this.
 
But you have to admit on his given day he can be competitive?
 
At his best he has won a Doncaster Handicap and Premiere Stakes like a world beater.  He has also placed in a Randwick Guineas, Chelmsford Stakes (x2), Theo Marks Quality, Liverpool City Cup and Queen Elizabeth Stakes.  Also has been 4th on several other occasions.
 
No he is not a champion, but past his best, far from it.  He has run in the top 3 in his past 2 runs over 2000m.  If he was past his best he would have run bottom 2.
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Never liked this horse & would never put a dollar him.  Won't be winning anything out of turn, that's for sure.  If anyone can get a win out of him (which I doubt), it's Waller.  He's on fire & a top trainer.
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yeah, i cant have him. have given him chances before and he has let me down so maybe i am biased but his strike rate tells the story imho....
 
every once in a while these type of horses (that do have some ability but lack consistency bob up....the most classic case i can think of is freemason knocking off northerley), but you go broke backing them.....
 
huxssen is another of these types....he frustrates the hell out of me.
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the problem is its a lazy horse, he doesnt like putting in effort but if u give him what he wants an inside barrier, and dont push him, thats why i liked him aswell for the doomben cuphes one of the lazyst horses iv seen, over composed horse, but just decided to start doing something he will runt he trip andy the trainers changed his mood, id say win or place his next staying race wilb e there in the melb cup and i think he will to, triple honour go u good old fella
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Hard to knock a horse who has won what he has won.

Also interesting that done say past his best, when this is clearly his best prep since the Donnie prep.
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Agreed Sunline.  Couple of G1 placings hardly put him in the 'past his best' category.
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Whether or not the horse runs 2400 is definitely a query. However you would surely run him. Its been a long long time since he had some form so i feel theyy're entitled to go again now that he has found some?
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Made a mistake, the O'Shea was 2200m. But the way he ran today, you'd think he'd get 2400m.

I think he stamped himself as a legitimate Caulfield Cup contender today if Waller wants to head that way.
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Originally posted by Browndog Browndog wrote:

Chris Waller is building a reputation as a trainer of stayers (and hurdlers). 

Triple Honour is a horse who has a reputation based on a win in a Doncaster on a heavy track.

He won 2/3 of his prizemoney total that day and has only won 1 of 22 starts since, and not for 21 months.

He has won only 2 of 27 Listed starts. He is a limited horse, past his best

He ran 4th in the Doomben Cup last year, yet it isn't till now are we hearing of a staying attempt.

This is clearly a last throw of the dice and nothing to be getting hopeful about as far as next Spring goes.

Had he thought he would stay, Waller would have identified it, and tested him well before this.



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Isnt Waller on fire! He has quite a bit of fire power for the spring even without rangi. Very interesting to see what they do with this horse.
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This was still 2200m and hardly the quality of the Doomben Cup( or a caulfield CupLOL), Soothsayer. If you want to support him in the Spring based on beating an old wet-tracker today , you have no respect for your money. Good luck to youWacko
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I disagree Browndog. I think he could be competitive in a Caulfield Cup. Good luck to you though.
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Originally posted by Browndog Browndog wrote:

This was still 2200m and hardly the quality of the Doomben Cup( or a caulfield CupLOL), Soothsayer. If you want to support him in the Spring based on beating an old wet-tracker today , you have no respect for your money. Good luck to youWacko

If you live by the sword, you have to die by the sword Browndog. 

No point bagging him after he wins, it just makes you look like a bad sport, as well as a pathetic judge.
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His win today would rate lower than his 3rd last start
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thats a pretty logical statement howabout without been smart, thats why he started fav today and blew them away. his form suggested he should win. Clap
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The horse has been working his way up to a win and did it well today.
 
Full stop.
 
Some of you guys need to take the sentiment out of punting as it turns you into bitches.
 
The only one allowed sentiment in respect of Triple Honour's win was Soothie.  Clap
 
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Some humble pie needs to go around.
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Originally posted by Sunline Sunline wrote:

Hard to knock a horse who has won what he has won.

Also interesting that done say past his best, when this is clearly his best prep since the Donnie prep.
 
Clearly not past his best it has to be said.
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If you think he's a Caul Cup horse he shouldnt have much trouble with the Brisbane Cup(2400m) next week
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Wasnt a great field and the time was nothing special for a good track. Win them as you can but no way was this Caulfield Cup pressure
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yeh i won't be sucked into him either ....only beat a bunch of money munchers...
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It is not uncommon for horses to relax better as they get older. Triple Honour is an honest miler, who with maturity has been able to extend his effective range to middle distance. It by no means makes him a stayer. Raffaello, was returned to Jim Marconi because Kav couldn't get him to progress to a stakes horse, and Newport is a winter stayer, who ran above himself on a less favored good surface. Take a deep breath before opening up on him in Spring 
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