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    Posted: 16 Jun 2018 at 12:53pm
Very classy WA horse having his first Melbourne run today.
Now trained by Jarrod McLean in the magic waters of Warrnambool.
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Details of crucial late scratching of Trap For Fools:
Jarrod McLean is foreman of Darren Weir Racing’s Warrnambool stable as well as having own training set-up at Yangery. Trap For Fools was based at Weir’s ‘Bool stable in recent days, where McLean works every day
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nothing short of a complete f**king joke, weir the protected species 
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nothing short of a complete f**king joke, weir the protected species 


Huh? Weir isn’t the trainer?
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More uneformed comments of Weiry
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Glad they scratched it. But why not recently when Weir has done the same thing (twice recently and a whole heap of them at the Bool carnival)?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Prince of Penzance Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Oct 2018 at 4:29pm
Originally posted by anabel anabel wrote:

Glad they scratched it. But why not recently when Weir has done the same thing (twice recently and a whole heap of them at the Bool carnival)?


Weir doesn’t train this one?
And every other time this rule is broken , regardless of trainer, horse is scratched.
Standard practice
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote anabel Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Oct 2018 at 4:46pm
Originally posted by Prince of Penzance Prince of Penzance wrote:

Originally posted by anabel anabel wrote:

Glad they scratched it. But why not recently when Weir has done the same thing (twice recently and a whole heap of them at the Bool carnival)?


Weir doesn’t train this one?
And every other time this rule is broken , regardless of trainer, horse is scratched.
Standard practice


Weir, Maher have both been fined for it recently, horses weren’t scratched. Read the stewards report from the May carnival, an enquiry was opened into why a heap of Weir runners weren’t stabled where they were meant to be, none were scratched. They only difference is they were at alternate stables of the same trainer, but the result is the same - stewards can’t monitor them for Raceday treatments .
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That’s a different offence.
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Failing to update your stable return is different to having your horse trained at a location you are not licensed to train from. Hence those horses weren’t scratched.
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Didn’t Platelet get scratched from a group race for that same thing though?
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Originally posted by anabel anabel wrote:

Didn’t Platelet get scratched from a group race for that same thing though?


Like 6 years ago
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Again I’ll point out, Platelet was trained by Weir

Not sure how that is relevant to today’s circumstances.

Trap for Fools is the responsibility of Mclean
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Originally posted by Prince of Penzance Prince of Penzance wrote:

Again I’ll point out, Platelet was trained by Weir

Not sure how that is relevant to today’s circumstances.

Trap for Fools is the responsibility of Mclean


The stable housing the horse (Weir) will surely be involved too.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Prince of Penzance Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Oct 2018 at 5:11pm
Originally posted by anabel anabel wrote:

Originally posted by Prince of Penzance Prince of Penzance wrote:

Again I’ll point out, Platelet was trained by Weir

Not sure how that is relevant to today’s circumstances.

Trap for Fools is the responsibility of Mclean


The stable housing the horse (Weir) will surely be involved too.


How?

When we go and stay at stables we don’t get asked by the hosts to provide proof the paperwork has been lodged. And I’ve been travelling horses between states for 4 years.
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I think the relevance is clearly about the relationship weir has with McLean and he has had form for similar things.

I think the argument is based around the fact freeman, McLean since going on their own or prior to joining weir have faced charges yet weir doesn’t.

I think the fact when Australis leading trainer failed to comment on the Smerdon or moody saga when others stood up such as Hayes does make it hard to swallow that he’s turned over a new leaf and is clean and when something like today comes out it brings up previous doubts held over him
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Originally posted by Prince of Penzance Prince of Penzance wrote:

Originally posted by anabel anabel wrote:

Originally posted by Prince of Penzance Prince of Penzance wrote:

Again I’ll point out, Platelet was trained by Weir

Not sure how that is relevant to today’s circumstances.

Trap for Fools is the responsibility of Mclean


The stable housing the horse (Weir) will surely be involved too.


How?

When we go and stay at stables we don’t get asked by the hosts to provide proof the paperwork has been lodged. And I’ve been travelling horses between states for 4 years.



You're quite biased towards the Weir stabke. Your loyalty is good to see
It's always good when a WA horse does well in the Eastern States or abroad.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Prince of Penzance Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Oct 2018 at 5:33pm
Originally posted by Jamal Jamal wrote:

Originally posted by Prince of Penzance Prince of Penzance wrote:

Originally posted by anabel anabel wrote:

Originally posted by Prince of Penzance Prince of Penzance wrote:

Again I’ll point out, Platelet was trained by Weir

Not sure how that is relevant to today’s circumstances.

Trap for Fools is the responsibility of Mclean


The stable housing the horse (Weir) will surely be involved too.


How?

When we go and stay at stables we don’t get asked by the hosts to provide proof the paperwork has been lodged. And I’ve been travelling horses between states for 4 years.



You're quite biased towards the Weir stabke. Your loyalty is good to see


No bias here. Never met the bloke.
I’m just sticking to the facts, which others here have trouble comprehending
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The only ‘fact’ is that a change of stable should of been lodged.
Are these people semi professional or something?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Jamal Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Oct 2018 at 5:39pm
Originally posted by Prince of Penzance Prince of Penzance wrote:

Originally posted by Jamal Jamal wrote:

Originally posted by Prince of Penzance Prince of Penzance wrote:

Originally posted by anabel anabel wrote:

Originally posted by Prince of Penzance Prince of Penzance wrote:

Again I’ll point out, Platelet was trained by Weir

Not sure how that is relevant to today’s circumstances.

Trap for Fools is the responsibility of Mclean


The stable housing the horse (Weir) will surely be involved too.


How?

When we go and stay at stables we don’t get asked by the hosts to provide proof the paperwork has been lodged. And I’ve been travelling horses between states for 4 years.



You're quite biased towards the Weir stabke. Your loyalty is good to see


No bias here. Never met the bloke.
I’m just sticking to the facts, which others here have trouble comprehending



If people can't stick to facts then that's their problem
It's always good when a WA horse does well in the Eastern States or abroad.
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Sounds like a costly stuff up missing out on an important run today in terms of the rest of his campaign.

So where does he go now? MV Cup perhaps?
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How would you feel if you owned the horse. If it were mine it would be out of there immediately
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Known raceday treatment aficionados lose a horse among their stables... again. Pull the other one!
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Originally posted by linghi11 linghi11 wrote:

Known raceday treatment aficionados lose a horse among their stables... again. Pull the other one!


I'm guessing you do not know the horse.






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Good Ol’ Prince Of Penzance to rescue!!!!.......Love It
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Perhaps somebody can post an update on last weeks scratching.

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It’s at the bottom of the stewards report.
Naughty boy.
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JARROD MCLEAN CHARGED

Charge: AR 175(gg)

The Principal Racing Authority (or the Stewards exercising powers delegated to them) may penalise:



(gg) Any person who makes any false or misleading statement or declaration in respect of any matter in connection with the administration or control of racing.



A summary of the particulars of the charge are as follows:



1.        At 6:09pm on 19 October 2018, Mr McLean sent a text message to a Racing Victoria Steward in which he stated that Trap For Fools would be sent to Darren Weirs Warrnambool stables at 4:30am the next day.



2.        At 3:50am on 20 October 2018, Racing Victorias Compliance Assurance Team attended Mr Weirs Warrnambool Stable to conduct a race day stable inspection and identified that Trap for Fools was already stabled at Mr Weirs Warrnambool Stables.



3.        Mr McLean was questioned by Stipendiary Stewards from Racing Victorias Compliance Assurance Team and he told them that Trap For Fools was brought to Mr Weirs stables the previous night between approximately 6:30pm and 7:00pm.



4.        The text message was false and/or misleading in that Mr McLean knew at the time of sending it that Trap for Fools was already at Mr Weirs Warrnambool Stable and had been for some time. The statements then made to Racing Victorias Compliance Assurance Team were false and/or misleading in that he knew that Trap for Fools was not transferred to Mr Weirs Warrnambool Stable at the time he said it was.





Mr McLean will appear before the RAD Board in relation to the above charge on a date to be fixed.
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Despite only running 2nd today, that placing has seen him pass the first ballot clause for the Melb Cup. So he’d potentially spike up to the low-mid 30’s in the order of entry.

A few above him are in doubt, so the slim hope of a WA horse making the Cup field is still alive.
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Originally posted by Lord Hybrow Lord Hybrow wrote:

Despite only running 2nd today, that placing has seen him pass the first ballot clause for the Melb Cup. So he’d potentially spike up to the low-mid 30’s in the order of entry.

A few above him are in doubt, so the slim hope of a WA horse making the Cup field is still alive.



Any comparisons to past WA stayers? He has been comletitve so far in the eastern states.
It's always good when a WA horse does well in the Eastern States or abroad.
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