Transgender Athletes

Scientist, Global Warming Expert, Amateur Gynecologist & Chicken Sexer ... you are a man(?) of many talents oneone, but not as many as Semenya!!!

oneonesit wrote: What is also bleeding obvious between Semenya & the rest of her opponents is the physical size difference. She is built like a well built bloke. Broad shoulders, flat chested & big muscly legs. Obviously from being a bloke most of her life - that's what happens - you look like a bloke. The others look like - well girls - standing next to her. Funny thing that

Thats basically what I said about my lovely lady in her twin set .   She looked physically like a bloke and the carefully styled hair, and twin set, and pearls, just couldnt change that fact.
Stand her next to a born female of the same age and there was just no comparison.   She looked like a bloke.  She was built like a bloke.  She sounded like a bloke.   Her feet and hands were mens size and shape.  Her shoulders stretched her lovely fine wool twin set.
I dont think it matters how much hormone they pump into a bloke,  or what they cut off,  its never going to alter the fact he will always have a physical ability that far exceeds a female born.  

She is female. As far as I know she simply produces more testosterone than normal.

She is a wonderful athlete and deserves more respect than she receives.

Smoke and Mirrors wrote: acacia alba wrote: Whats the story with Caster ???   She isnt a sex change person is she ???    Does she have both "bits " ?   I am not sure what her story is ???   She was born a woman, and now she’s married to one.

So is it SSM ??   Or what ??? 

djebel wrote: This is by no means the defining answer as to whether Caster Semenya is or should be allowed to compete in womans competition but I am curious, is she able to fall pregnant ?

Technically yes, but highly unlikely as she’s a Lesbian.

OK,   so SSM,  as in sheilas ??    Whats the other half like ???    Pretty and pettite or butch , like Casta ??
I mean, good on her for finding her soul mate, but if her hormones say she is mostly male, why should she be allowed to compete against females ?
Its all too much for me but I would hate to be a normal girl faced with running against Casta. 

Dunno about that .  Am in 2 minds.  
Yes she can carry,  but my friend,s daughter carried , for 9 months,  in a SS relationship,
It didnt really make her of either sex.  So to speak. 
The baby was born.  They went home.   They share parenting duties. 
If Casta can have a baby, naturally, then she must surely be a female ?? 
But OMG, how does one explain her very manly look ??
If I was to have to compete against her I would be very very sad.

Her wife’s name is Violet Raseboya

If you google both names together you should be able to see wedding pictures

It is a hermaphrodite (allegedly).

Tlazolteotl wrote: djebel wrote: She is female. As far as I know she simply produces more testosterone than normal. She is a wonderful athlete and deserves more respect than she receives. She has no womb or ovaries. She has internal testes. She produces testosterone at 3 times the level of women.

As far as I can see that was from a story in the Daily Telegraph based on an anonymous source supposedly from leaked medical records. Has any of that been verified?

Dr E wrote: A huge % of the female population can not fall pregnant, are they not female? ... ridiculous argument. Semenya has been the subject of extensive testing, the results have been concealed, and the only way she could compete as a woman, was by reducing her testosterone levels in competition - a bit like the old days when geldings were pumped up with testosterone whilst in the paddock!  Now that the authorities seem likely to listen to reason and change the rules, she will be retiring with all of it's ill gotten gains ... that says it all wouldn't you think?

None of her medical records have been made public. (Privacy laws)
However leaks showed that she has internal testes, has no womb or ovaries. But externally she has breasts and a vagina.

Smoke and Mirrors wrote: None of her medical records have been made public. (Privacy laws) However leaks showed that she has internal testes, has no womb or ovaries. But externally she has breasts and a vagina.

“Leaks showed”? Or an anonymous source blabbed that to the Tele? Is there more than that? Genuine question.

It was a leaked report- now safely buried in a bomb shelter under 10 metres of PC reinforced  concrete.

I'm happy for semenya to compete against women, at the very liberal testosterone level limit that was in effect from 2010- 2015.

"Specifically, we know that Semenya was identified as having elevated testosterone levels after her gold medal in Berlin (1:55.45, as an 18-year old).  We know that some intervention was applied, and we can, through pretty basic deduction, figure out that it involved lowering her testosterone levels.  How?  Well, at the time Semenya emerged, from nowhere, the IAAF and IOC policies on gender verification (they should call it ‘sex verification’, by the way, because sex is biological, gender is social, but anyway) were vague and unrelated to testosterone.

It was as a result of Semenya, and the absolutely disastrous handling of that situation, that the policy changed, and until last year, the policy in place said that women could compete only if their testosterone levels were below an upper limit.  That upper limit, 10 nmol/L, was set up based on a study done on all the women competing in the World Championships in 2011 and 2013.  The researchers took the average testosterone levels of women with a condition called Polycystic Ovary Syndrome, which was already elevated at 4.5 nmol/L, and then added 5 SD to it.

The addition of 3 SD (which created a level of 7.5 nmol/L) would have meant that 16 in 1000 athletes would exceed the cutoff.  That’s why the extra 2 SD were added, to make sure that the upper limit would apply only to those with hyperandrogenism (or those who are doping).

99% of female athletes, by the way, had testosterone levels below 3.08 nmol/L. So the upper limit of 10 nmol/L was three fold higher than a level that applies to 99 in 100 women participants.

Semenya’s performances, under this policy of reducing testosterone, dropped off in a predictable manner.  Having run the 1:55.45 at 18, she never got close again, though did win Olympic silver in London (behind a doper), and a World silver in 2011.  Last year, she failed to advance beyond the semi-finals in Beijing, and hadn’t even made the qualification mark for the preceding year’s Commonwealth Games.  2:00 had become a significant barrier, when the world record had been plausible at 18.

Now, she is untouchable.  People will (and have said) that it’s down to her focused training, recovery from injury and so forth, but I’m not buying that.  The change has happened for an obvious reason – the restoration of testosterone levels, and that is thanks to the courts – CAS, the Court of Arbitration for sport, last year ruled that the IAAF could no longer enforce the upper limit of testosterone, and in so doing, cleared the way for Semenya, and at least a handful of others, to return to the advantages that this hormone clears provides an individual.  That CAS ruled this way because they felt that there was insufficient evidence for the performance benefits is one of the stupidest, most bemusing legal/scientific decisions ever made."

https://sportsscientists.com/2016/05/hyperandrogenism-women-vs-women-vs-men-sport-qa-joanna-harper/

This is the most scientifically accurate analysis of the whole Semenya saga you will find.

http://sportsscientists.com/thread/caster-semenya/?doing_wp_cron=1523521166.0635280609130859375000

Surely if she has all her "bits" as Acacia says she would have come out & said so. The whole arguement would have been shut down years ago I would have thought. I'd say she is lacking in woman "bits" - what "bits" I'm not sure !