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    Posted: 18 Aug 2011 at 4:01pm
Anyone recommend a good city fringe trainer in Melbourne ...and approx fees per week/month please? Thanks! Smile
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You could do worse than Sadler. 26.6 percent winning strike rate in their first few months. Have just opened a brilliant training facility at Ballarat, so horse has option of being city or country trained. Not sure rates, but certainly value for money if you respect their strike rate.
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Jason Warren, great setup and a good guy.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote correctweight Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Aug 2011 at 9:03pm
Recommend Ellerton and Zahra racing, fees have just gone up a bit though because of Flemington. But still worth it.
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all 3 mentioned look the goods....sutton-=mutton
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Luke Oliver is your man about $75.00 a day I think , does well with the cattle he has.
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Mick Price is great. Very honest. Great staff. wont be wasting your money. I think he's about $95..
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I'd go to Malua(Sadler/T Corstens) or Ellerton/Zahra because they have the best communication with their owners which is what I'd want if I'm spending that much coin.
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Originally posted by Bonjour Bonjour wrote:

Anyone recommend a good city fringe trainer in Melbourne ...and approx fees per week/month please? Thanks! Smile


for training of a whole horse or a group of owners ?
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Thanks for the heads up team, I'm more interested in the city fringe trainer not the metro as I reckon there are plenty of great trainers at Cranbourne, Bendigo etc and a tad cheaper than paying city rates.. Have a reasonable well bred filly owned outright and goes ok...would be better placed at VIC provincials I think. Just wanting some educated opinions......and all appreciated. ...Thanks!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Xolento Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Aug 2011 at 1:13pm
whereabouts are you located, I assume you want someone on "your" side of town 
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No not at all X.........anywhere provincial does me, as long as they come recommended and fit my $$$$. Have had horses trained in town and bush so in this instance think this filly would be suited by a good trainer reasonably close to town who doesn't charge the earth,...and hands on too......have seen plenty actually trained by the foreman...as you have I spose./......thanks.Smile
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Myself and a few mates have one with Darren Weir and he has been great with communication regarding the horse, always up for a chat, regular emails, etc. Plus he seems to place most of his horeses very well which is evident in his strike rate.

$71 per day i think which isn't bad given the new "hill" facilities just opened at the Ballarat track
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The trick is to get a trainer who is good,who is a good communicator but doesnt cost the earth.The experiance of owning a horse has to one where you dont feel like that your are left in the dark.
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The Village filly is with Robbie Griffiths at Cranbourne and I've been very impressed with his communication so far.
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not helping original post,but if i was looking for a trainer, i would speak to mick kent.
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No idea of prices but I'm never frightened to back anything trained by Shawn O'Dwyer @ Bendigo & certainly agree with the Mick Kent suggestion tho' reckon he'd be nearer to city charge due to the high tech training methods.
Experience is something you gain a few minutes after you could have used it!
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robbie laing around $76 a day Robbie Griffiths was $88 a day last year but has plenty of extras
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Arthur Pace at Bendigo small trainer gets good results does get some cast offs from the Moody stable top bloke.
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Originally posted by jimdog jimdog wrote:

The trick is to get a trainer who is good,who is a good communicator but doesnt cost the earth.The experiance of owning a horse has to one where you dont feel like that your are left in the dark.
 
Could not agree more - we have recently raced a horse with a top trainer who won 3 races with her over 6 months and it was the WORST experience we have had in racing, no enjoyment factor whatsoever!!!
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I had a very similiar time with a trainer,it was great that we won 3 racea but i only saw one of the wins and the other 2 i did not no that it was running until an hour before the race ,when i was looking at the form guide and the morning of the race ,so i could not get there.Now that we have changed trainers we havent won a race but have placed 5 out of the last 6 starts ,kept upto date and enjoying it
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Yes,yes,yes re. comments  on communication. I consider myself a low maintenance owner - I pay the bills (on behalf of a syndicate), the trainer trains the horse, the trainer communicates with me, I report back to the syndicate. I have sent horses to capable trainers but ultimately have been left disappointed by the experience (and it has nothing to do with the average  ability of the horses).  Most trainers struggle to make a decent living from the game, but so many do themselves no favours by not  communicating with owners. For example, if  the horse has been floated to a pre-trainer a couple of hours away, that is fine - but let the people paying up for the horse know where it is located. Recently I've had monthly invoices from a trainer that contained  errors month after month. Will be interested to hear where you land on this Bonjour and what your experience is because I will have another one coming into work next year and will be trying to place it with a non-metro trainer on the western side of Melbourne.
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I've had similar communcation issues with some of the trainers in Sydney. I quite like the idea off having my horse spending time in a paddock of a day rather than in a stall. Can anyone recommend a trainer around the Sydney provincials?

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Originally posted by Adladain Adladain wrote:

Mick Price is great. Very honest. Great staff. wont be wasting your money. I think he's about $95..
He is the most overated trainer in Australia... very very ordinary.. although he does not think so...
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Originally posted by chinaguy chinaguy wrote:

Originally posted by Adladain Adladain wrote:

Mick Price is great. Very honest. Great staff. wont be wasting your money. I think he's about $95..
He is the most overated trainer in Australia... very very ordinary.. although he does not think so...


Fair enough,

All I can say is, I've had a very positive experience so far.
I saw he was 7th on the Australian premiership with a strike rate of 19.4% (3rd in Vic). We have been incredibly impressed with the communication, very honest in giving their opinion on your horses, they produce the winners, the horses are never in work just for the money.. going out as soon as they show they've had enough.  Im also good friends with one of his track riders, and know that he has a strong team behind him, with plenty of his staff having been there for many years.


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Chaff per kilo is the same every where.

You send a horse to a trainer to get a winner.

Spend a bit more, and send to a $100+ trainer per day to get access to the good stuff.
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Thanks for all the great input fellas. It will be interesting to see what transpires. I have had very ordinary experiences with metro trainers over the years......last one was at Sydney metro track. All communication was with trainers missus except for one phone call per month from the trainer. Since moving the horse to country trainer the communication has improved so much the pleasure is back. Plus is watching all races on sky minus is not being able to go to trackwork. But a cliche it may be, keep your self in the best company and your horse in the worst does pay off! well, generally. I have no problem supporting good young trainers trying to make a go of it. The punt doesn't stretch a young trainers capabilities like it once  did and they can make the odd mistake and move on...as long as there is a forgiving owner in the background. So the search goes on...maybe P Payne, J Warren, R Maund etc......keep the suggestions coming please, all appreciated and treated with respect....Thanks.
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If a trainer doesn't charge you enough and if too CHEAP they have to cut costs.  if you get a trainer for less than say 70 a day here in Vic , they will have to cut corners or they will be eating the paint off the stable walls. Wink

Kaine Harris would be one of my recommendations that may fit your needs
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Can recommend Todd Balfour at $68 a day.  Has a small team and can give them the attention they deserve.  Have had one with him and very happy.
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