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Originally posted by Occy22 Occy22 wrote:

Of course its not bet reactive. It could be, but thats not the way they designed it. Its pre-programmed, pre-determined, and very readable and easy to predict for the keen mathematical eye.
If it was bet reactive, they would rig it to "lowest common denominator".
(only honouring the least bet number per race)
Trackside is a scroll of numbers that were decided ages ago. And the animation just gradually goes through the entire scroll.
 
Very big call Occy - who do u know that has been able find the winners in an "easy to predict" manner ? - ridiculous statement to make !
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Considering every prediction Ive made on this thread, Ive been correct, there is no merit in your statement. Proof in the pudding.
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It sounds pretty much like a poker machine, different name, same result.
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Did you forget page7 where you dropped a lazy $3k?

And you talk about needing to access the info from home, but in reality you casn go to a tab and see three screens with all the last 20 results, latest result, current race, etc. So you seem confused about most things. Why you needed a mathematical formula to determine that Trackside is non-reactive to bets is beyond me when it's their main selling point.

If it was simple your system would have far much error and losing bets.

Let's say you're right, and all the random numbers/sequence is generator in advance and not race by race. Then you are too dumb to reverse algo the system or you'd know every result in advance. Instead you rely on dumb luck. You're plenty dumb so you get a fair share of luck.

Have you ever been to the headquarters in St Kilda Rd and seen the random number generator? It uses sound as the seed to generate a near pure random number. They don't use the same seed to generate an entire sequence. They generate each and every race again.

In any event the randomness is weighted to the fav and the odds are published and audited. 20.6%

The numbers you pick have no bearing on your system. You are waiting for a draught in 9,10,11 then backing them until they win. I haven't bothered working it out but with 3 runners your chances are probably about the same as backing the 1 only.

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In all fairness to you, you are assuming we only know one thing about it.
We know EVERY numbers patterns. But we bet on the bigger numbers, for one simple reason. They pay more (thus less outlay).
But I can tell you whats going on with all 12 numbers and what will happen the next 60 games.

And yes, fully aware of sound technology and other random generators.
Light can also be used. There are many ways to create random numbers.

To answer you as briefly as possible, we simply know the numbers are decided in advance.
And when I say " in advance" I mean thousands and thousands of games have already been decided. Its a scroll, already written, and the animation just matches it.
How do I know this? That part I wont reveal.
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Its pointless arguing about the "random" generators though, because trackside isnt random.
Its totally rigged, and thats why we love it.
Normal horse racing is random, which is why more people win on trackside, than on normal horse racing.
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Why is your strike rate so poor?

Once you have the decipher key then you would know the entire sequence of results with 100% accuracy. Also why wait for draughts if you know even the low numbers. Better bet on the winners while you wait for the high numbers.

And why back 3 numbers if you know the winner? By backing 3 runners you aren't saving money. It's offset by the higher odds.  Why not back 2 runners. I'm sure 5, 9 would work just as well as 9.10,11.

You're just guessing. Your results are indicative of that. Patchy at best.
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Internat - full marks for trying to explain a few things to her - but honestly - save the typing finger - one thing to be as thick as 2 planks - another 2 be a blowhard as well !
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Examples Ive given on here are a basic overview. Very very basic.
I can be extremely intricate in detail if need be, to explain how the trends and nature of it work.
Thats exactly what it has. A "nature".
Every number plays a part in counterbalancing the sequences.

Just a tiny example of over a thousand I could give., lets say a game result is this,,
3,10,12
To most people, that just looks like one smaller number, with two big numbers.
But we know it means so much more than that. This particular example(as said, there are over a thousand) (1320 to be exact),, this example of 3,10,12, is what we refer to as a Foundation Power.
We know when it will happen and what will happen after it.
We have names for all sorts of sequences and moments.
Understanding its intricate nature of 1320 possibilities, isnt done in a few hours. Several years was spent on it.

If this was a true random generator, I wouldnt at all be interested in it. Simple fact, we found out its not.
And like any smart blackjack player, you dont destroy the casino.
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How long did it take you to figure out their are 1320 trifecta combinations 12x11x10. And that 1,2,3 is the favourite combination and pays the least and that 12,11,10 is the least likely combination and pays the most. It's all their on their website, the odds and returns for each trifecta combo.

Sounds like you make very little from years of research. You back high numbers because your worried about your outlay. Indicates you have a very small bankroll. Especially considering you're betting on a certainty.

And you need to wait for draughts and indicators like 3,10,12. Which may happen once, twice, never per day. And when the sequence does happen you still need to double up race after race because you get it wrong more often than right. Goodluck. Trackside is a poor mans game and you love it.
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Per Capita, there are more winning tickets handed in at TAB's on Trackside, than on the normal horses.

You know what I love about some people on here, is their view of "gambling" in general.

Gambling, in its total essence, is all about outlaying money on a "prediction".
Whether its on a horse, a deck of cards, a greyhound or a sports team.
You are attempting to PREDICT what you believe might happen.
But apparently its a sin to predict a computers algorithmic nature.

I would love to know the alternate way of gambling that some people must use on here, if they dont attempt to use predictions.
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So are you predicting ("guessing") or do you claim to KNOW the results via a system?

I have no issue with your system. I believe it works. I've used it myself with great success. But its just a martingale system. Back a group of runners and keep doubling up until they salute. Yet it took you years to devise the system. And you try to claim its something special. You record and your method say otherwise.

Your claim about "per capita" is just BS. TAB cant lose on physical/real horse races. They get a percentage cut around 20% but varying for the different bet types.

Trackside is fixed odds and non-reactive. Means they can lose money on any given race. If more people are winning on trackside then TAB must be making a long term loss? Why do they persist?
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Internat, you are now saying you make a profit from Trackside?
You stated in a post earlier, that "droughts" require too much patience, have to wait around all day etc?
Thats one of the big reasons we win.
It only takes a few minutes to scroll through the past 200 results.
If the results show us that are drought has occurred, then it makes it a great time to bet.

You are incorrect about TAB's winning tickets per capita. I know several TAB managers personally, in Melbourne, and per capita they hold more winning tickets for Trackside, than normal horse racing.
For example, 100 tickets might be purchased on normal horse racing, and 30 given back to counter assistant(making it 30 percent success rate)
And Trackside might have 30 tickets purchased and 12 given back over counter, making it over 30 percent.
Per capita, the percentage success rate is higher for trackside.

You downplayed what we know about it, because you dont actually know what we really know.
That example I gave of 3,10,12 result, you dont know what it means. If you did, you would have replied to it properly and mathematically.
Each number represents an empowered base, and we dont just count the numbers coming in. We count the dividends. We calculate the dividends and work out what numbers empowered those dividends.
Example,   7,9 10 trifecta is roughly $6,000 dividend.
And 3,10,12 trifecta is roughly $6,000 dividend.
So the common punter might just look at that as a $6,000 "average" for 2 totally different trifectas.
But we read it totally differently.
The "3" which won that race, to produce the $6,000 trifecta, is then a high risk number for the next few hours of games.

As is the 7, which won the result 7,9,10.
There are intricate mathematical reasons that would take me hours to type as to why this happens.
The same applies for every other number and many different results have reasons behind them.
The entire programme is constantly counterbalancing, balancing, and compensating for each result, to produce certain results there-after.
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Yes. I make a profit when I can be bothered. But generally im 80% sport, 15% horses/dogs, 5% trackside. But I'm not claiming to have a special system. I just back a couple runners until they salute then leave with the profit. Sometimes it's 5minutes work. Sometimes 30mins.

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When you make claims like above, you are slandering TAB. If someone bothered to forward these posts you would be sued and you'd lose. TAB stata that each race is independent of prior result. Number 1 is 20.6% chance of winning. If it wins race 1, it is no more or less likely to win race 2.

TAB also state its random but weighted to the odds. Now you say its not random but counterbalancing for each result.

These are serious and slanderous claims and brings into question the integrity of TAB/trackside and possible loss of revenue. You would lose hands down.

But I guess you're used to losing.

Your system is to flawed to be true. We've seen you post example after example of losing bets. On page 7 you reached your $3k stop loss. Most other times you eventually win. But why does it take you so long to hit the winner if you can predict it with high accuracy using prior results?

Should you be able to find the draught then bet and win with 1-3 races if you system had any merit?

What's the point of your system when you back 3 runners (combined chance of 10.2%) if you dont atleast beat those odds? ie they need to win 1 in 10.  Not to mention you bet each way and regularly not only do the 3 runners lose but they don't even run a place.

I don't want to slander the TAB, but assuming you were correct about some of your assumptions. Then what it means is you're on the right track but just not mathematically talented enough to harness and fine tune your system.

With the odds of winning (9, 10, 11) being about one in ten, I'd say a system that consistently won in under 5 races would be beating the odds enough to be considered worthwhile. But that would only double your money.

Are you telling me that when a $1.50fav wins horse race that less winning tickets (as a percentage) are handed over at TAB than trackside? Tracksides most favoured runner is $4 and has 20.6% chance of winning. I'd say with confidence that more horses start fav under $4 odds and salute.  That doesn't even take into account place betting. Trackside fav is $1.60/place and salutes roughly 13 out of 20 races.

Horses consistently have $1.04, $1.10, $1.20 place runners. They have a very high place rate. More winning tickets by far.

If you wanted to take out short priced favs from your argument and just compare $4fav with $4fav then the difference is negligible. The bias on trackside is roughly 20%. ie bet $1 on #1 in 20 races. Spend $20 return $16. Loss of 20%.

The take out on real horse racing is also 20%. So it's really negligible.

The difference is real races have more factors and their are perceived price mismatches. Sometimes a $4fav is paying $3 other times $5. If it's unders dont bet. Overs offers value.

For martingale based betting systems, Trackside is probably marginally better because it's purely random and removes outside factors like poor ride, interference, corruption, weather, track bias. But compared with roulette or blackjack then Trackside isn't good value but is more convenient.

Good luck and I hope you can fine tune the system or get someone more knowledgeable to help you. You deserve a change of luck.
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Hehehe, considering I have a high distinction in mathematics and won national awards for such, and one of our team members for trackside is a highly respected maths professor, we are in pretty good company.

You are stating all the very basics about trackside.
Its far more intricate than that. You are just stating the things from the board.
eg a fave wins about 200 races out of 1000 on average.
these are the very basic stats, geared towards making sure the balances are correct.

You seem to be giving trackside backhanded compliments.
In one breath you say you profit, the next breath you say its a fools game.

I would agree, its totally foolish if it was completely random, with random generator technology. I wouldnt go near it with a barge pole if I knew it was a random generator. But we found out its not, and we even approached the TAB headquarters about this very subject, questioning their integrity on marketing, as we believe its misleading.
So forget your "slander" crap. WE are the ones that approached them regarding it. They should technically be sued for false advertising.
But its no different to many other misleading things. Eg, Luxbet is owned by the TAB. But most people assume corporate betting agencies are totally independant. Is that false advertising too??
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Originally posted by Occy22 Occy22 wrote:

Hehehe, considering I have a high distinction in mathematics and won national awards for such, and one of our team members for trackside is a highly respected maths professor, we are in pretty good company.dependant. Is that false advertising too??


That is hilarious,another fantastic claim,from what I have seen in your posts in the 9,11,13 threads you don't have a 10 yrs old understanding of statistics Confused

Goes with other unbelievable claims such as inventing Rapid Roulette,being undefeated in all sprint and long distance running events for 7 yrs and winning multiple state titels,the list just goes on an on.Nobody believes you Broccy,well maybe Quez
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How did you go race 1 at Flemington whale?
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I just spent 10 mins of my life reading this dribble. How sad
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Serious questions Broccy

1. Did you use your brilliant mathematical ability to gain a degree in maths,physics,actuarial science.?

2.How is it that a brilliant mathematical mind like yours cannot insert a link or a You Tube video correctly on this forum,surely it is not more difficult than solving complicated mathematical equations?

I didn't bet on race 1,did you?
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It's not a backhand compliment. It's simple. You pay for the convenience.

What's better value, Roulette or Trackside? Roulette. Which is more convenient? Trackside.

What's better value, TAB tote or oncourse bookies? Bookies. Which is more convenient? TAB.

Do you consider roulette random? Why is betting on something random such a bad thing when statistically the house take/edge is much smaller on roulette than Trackside.

Why would you go to the tab and try to shutdown the one feature that enables you to win? You told them their marketing is misleading. Yet the lack of true randomness is what you rely on?

The claims you have made are 100% slanderous. You have said many times their is a "marketing" aspect that high numbers must appear in certain circumstances. This is totally against the randomness of the algorith. Yes high numbers must appear but only inline with the reorted percentages. It's not rigged. It's NOT "predetermined". These are false claims. These are detrimental claims. That is defamtion/slander any day of the week.

I see you've backed away from the "Trackside has more winners per capita" claim. Rightly so. It was so obvious someone even with your basic "state level" mathematics would know that a $1.04 fav is going to have many collects. After all tote is a pool. The lower the odds the more winners.

Maybe you're lacking a computer expert. Someone to reverse algo the system. You're missing something because you lack results. This is proven by your own posts detailing your bets. It's there for everyone to see.

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Originally posted by internat internat wrote:

It's not a backhand compliment. It's simple. You pay for the convenience.

What's better value, Roulette or Trackside? Roulette. Which is more convenient? Trackside.

What's better value, TAB tote or oncourse bookies? Bookies. Which is more convenient? TAB.

Do you consider roulette random? Why is betting on something random such a bad thing when statistically the house take/edge is much smaller on roulette than Trackside.

Why would you go to the tab and try to shutdown the one feature that enables you to win? You told them their marketing is misleading. Yet the lack of true randomness is what you rely on?

The claims you have made are 100% slanderous. You have said many times their is a "marketing" aspect that high numbers must appear in certain circumstances. This is totally against the randomness of the algorith. Yes high numbers must appear but only inline with the reorted percentages. It's not rigged. It's NOT "predetermined". These are false claims. These are detrimental claims. That is defamtion/slander any day of the week.

I see you've backed away from the "Trackside has more winners per capita" claim. Rightly so. It was so obvious someone even with your basic "state level" mathematics would know that a $1.04 fav is going to have many collects. After all tote is a pool. The lower the odds the more winners.

Maybe you're lacking a computer expert. Someone to reverse algo the system. You're missing something because you lack results. This is proven by your own posts detailing your bets. It's there for everyone to see.




She's lacking much more than just a computer expert, that's for sure! LOLLOLLOL
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Originally posted by internat internat wrote:

It's not a backhand compliment. It's simple. You pay for the convenience.

What's better value, Roulette or Trackside? Roulette. Which is more convenient? Trackside.

What's better value, TAB tote or oncourse bookies? Bookies. Which is more convenient? TAB.

Do you consider roulette random? Why is betting on something random such a bad thing when statistically the house take/edge is much smaller on roulette than Trackside.

Why would you go to the tab and try to shutdown the one feature that enables you to win? You told them their marketing is misleading. Yet the lack of true randomness is what you rely on?

The claims you have made are 100% slanderous. You have said many times their is a "marketing" aspect that high numbers must appear in certain circumstances. This is totally against the randomness of the algorith. Yes high numbers must appear but only inline with the reorted percentages. It's not rigged. It's NOT "predetermined". These are false claims. These are detrimental claims. That is defamtion/slander any day of the week.

I see you've backed away from the "Trackside has more winners per capita" claim. Rightly so. It was so obvious someone even with your basic "state level" mathematics would know that a $1.04 fav is going to have many collects. After all tote is a pool. The lower the odds the more winners.

Maybe you're lacking a computer expert. Someone to reverse algo the system. You're missing something because you lack results. This is proven by your own posts detailing your bets. It's there for everyone to see.





Whats with you and the slander crap?
How many of us think and say that Poker Machines are rigged? Pretty much all of us and I assume even you.

Why did we challenge the TAB about its trackside system. Thats an answer Im not giving. But its also the way we found out how it works.

As for you whale, (heil the great whale), I can also count cards in blackjack. You got any probs with that? I can also type 125 words per minute, with any document you shove in my face. any probs with that too whale?

as for you Internat, you are saying people cant win on trackside. Is that slander? They can win, do win, and profit longterm from it.
If we were a bunch of idiots, we would take thousands from it every hour.
But we just take what we believe is a safe amount to prevent it from being shutdown.
There are also stories of people travelling from tab to tab, collecting the jackpots. we clearly arent the only ones that have worked a few things out about it.

one thing in the tabs favour, is they can change the system, whenever they wish, to lowest or middle common denominator(paying out to least bet numbers). In that sense, its rigged in a different way, and it wont be the first time that type of rigging is done to a computer based betting model. That means it would become "bet reactive".

Ive heard stories of people winning $20,000 on just one race on trackside. Certainly wasnt us. So its clearly still not bet reactive. its a genuine programme (be it a pre-determined one).

Internat, can you prove its not pre-determined?
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Originally posted by Occy22 Occy22 wrote:

Originally posted by internat internat wrote:

It's not a backhand compliment. It's simple. You pay for the convenience.

What's better value, Roulette or Trackside? Roulette. Which is more convenient? Trackside.

What's better value, TAB tote or oncourse bookies? Bookies. Which is more convenient? TAB.

Do you consider roulette random? Why is betting on something random such a bad thing when statistically the house take/edge is much smaller on roulette than Trackside.

Why would you go to the tab and try to shutdown the one feature that enables you to win? You told them their marketing is misleading. Yet the lack of true randomness is what you rely on?

The claims you have made are 100% slanderous. You have said many times their is a "marketing" aspect that high numbers must appear in certain circumstances. This is totally against the randomness of the algorith. Yes high numbers must appear but only inline with the reorted percentages. It's not rigged. It's NOT "predetermined". These are false claims. These are detrimental claims. That is defamtion/slander any day of the week.

I see you've backed away from the "Trackside has more winners per capita" claim. Rightly so. It was so obvious someone even with your basic "state level" mathematics would know that a $1.04 fav is going to have many collects. After all tote is a pool. The lower the odds the more winners.

Maybe you're lacking a computer expert. Someone to reverse algo the system. You're missing something because you lack results. This is proven by your own posts detailing your bets. It's there for everyone to see.





Whats with you and the slander crap?
How many of us think and say that Poker Machines are rigged? Pretty much all of us and I assume even you.

Why did we challenge the TAB about its trackside system. Thats an answer Im not giving. But its also the way we found out how it works.

As for you whale, (heil the great whale), I can also count cards in blackjack. You got any probs with that? I can also type 125 words per minute, with any document you shove in my face. any probs with that too whale?

That is very impressive,I can't do either.It just doesn't make sense to me that with your brilliant analytical mind you can't insert a link or post a You Tube video properly,not having a go ,just genuinely puzzled

as for you Internat, you are saying people cant win on trackside. Is that slander? They can win, do win, and profit longterm from it.
If we were a bunch of idiots, we would take thousands from it every hour.
But we just take what we believe is a safe amount to prevent it from being shutdown.
There are also stories of people travelling from tab to tab, collecting the jackpots. we clearly arent the only ones that have worked a few things out about it.

one thing in the tabs favour, is they can change the system, whenever they wish, to lowest or middle common denominator(paying out to least bet numbers). In that sense, its rigged in a different way, and it wont be the first time that type of rigging is done to a computer based betting model. That means it would become "bet reactive".

Ive heard stories of people winning $20,000 on just one race on trackside. Certainly wasnt us. So its clearly still not bet reactive. its a genuine programme (be it a pre-determined one).

Internat, can you prove its not pre-determined?
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Im going to give you an example of 50 games and tell you what the math means on it.

3 1 4
7 1 10
2 4 6
3 1 5
8 7 1
2 4 5
6 3 1
6 3 4
1 7 9
8 6 7
2 4 3
1 2 4
1 2 5
9 1 4

Okay, lets assume you were boxing numbers 1 to 8. You would be doing very well in this section.
See that game above, 8 6 7,,,,, thats a powerful trifecta payout. (within the box 8, 1 to 8, cost $336)

Okay, now if many games are this,,,

1 4 6
1 6 7
8 4 1
3 4 2

They are weaker trifecta payouts.
This is what we refer to as a "non trigger".
So it means smaller numbers can easily keep coming it, as its under-valuing the $336 box.
But when the $336 box exceeds its true value average, with a 8,6,7, this is a trigger moment.
Numbers 9 to 12 become highly likely in the next 40 games, to exceed the 1 to 8 box.
They will more than likely be accompanied with smaller numbers, eg, 1,2 3 4..
Also numbers 1 to 7 will get squashed down into smaller boxed trifectas,. eg 1,4,5,   1 3 6,,, deflating the value of the box 8,,,, and better still for trackside, when numbers 9 to 1 come in2, make the box 8 miss entirely.
This is why its critical for it to keep counter balancing.
Knowing "when" is the key. The trigger moments can be read, by what has come in.
In this respect, its no different to counting cards in blackjack. certain cards are left in the deck, and you are counting them.
Trackside is like a novel, and you read each chapter, count its worth, and work out how it will counter-act, counter balance, and what the triggers are.
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speaking of typos, hehe, thats meant to say 15 games, as example.
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Now, we are either bloody nostradamus, or have a high average of knowing whats going on with it.
9 times out of 10, we know exactly what is happening with it.
It takes me about 2 minutes to see whats happened, then about 20 minutes to study its math, do the count, and workout what triggers have happened, then decide what to do.
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For the record, I personally dont go into tab's, dont like them. I certainly dont sit there and study trackside.
i watch it online, and have a small team and we relay some info to each other.
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Now, lets say if you were boxing 1 to 7, (cost $210), the same rules apply.
If results are like this,,,
6,7,4
1,3,5
7,6,4
6,2,7

You are exceeding the $210 and profiting.
In this scenario, its a box 7 trigger.
This means numbers 6 to 1 are highly likely, but squashed down, eg 1 3 4,, 5 1 2, etc. De-valuing the box 7, and once again, increased likelihood of 8 to 12 coming in,,, totally missing the box 7.

So you have to count whats going on. In more simple form we watch the droughts, but its far from the only thing we are watching. We are watching for the triggers.
To the untrained eye, its just a mess of numbers. To us, its very readable.
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