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    Posted: 19 Feb 2013 at 11:17am
A lot of talk over the last few days on Black Caviar has been about her not holding any track records. 

this has got to be one of the most ridiculous statements ever, who remembers track records??

how many track records below are held by Phar Lap, Vein, Manikato?

BC holds as many track records as Makybe Diva.

Miss Andretti holds many track records but we rarely speak of her 

Would like to know why people think track records mean so much??

Randwick Track Records
DistanceTimeHorseWeightDateRating
1000m0:55.92De Lightning Ridge56.513/03/2010Good
1100m1:01.96Famous Seamus (Nz)54.020/10/2012Good
1200m1:08.19Better Than Ready57.020/10/2012Good
1300m1:15.54Judged5305/09/2009Good
1400m1:21.03More Than Great54.505/09/2009Good
1550m1:33.94Iron Cross5726/06/2002Good
1600m1:33.13Ike's Dream5418/12/2004Good
1800m1:48.50Jumpin' Pin5205/10/1981Fast
1800m1:48.50Our Shout (NZ)5229/01/1983Good
2000m2:00.43Dignity Dancer (NZ)55.503/10/1998Good
2400m2:26.36Spechenka53.026/12/2010Good
2600m2:40.80Balciano (NZ)50.505/10/1987Good
2800m2:55.40Beaux Art5229/04/1995Good
3200m3:19.00Apollo Eleven (NZ)54.523/04/1973Good
3200m3:19.00Just A Dancer (NZ)5206/04/1991Fast



Rosehill Track Records
DistanceTimeHorseWeightDateRating
900m0:50.80Been There53.023/10/1982Fast
1100m1:02.51Westicaro56.024/02/2007Good
1200m1:08.39All Our Mob57.001/03/1997Good
1250m1:14.52Quick Score54.014/08/1991Good
1300m1:15.08Alquoz (USA)56.008/09/1990Fast
1350m1:18.42Loretta's Wish51.519/11/1994Good
1400m1:21.38Somepin Anypin (NZ)53.522/10/2011Good
1450m1:24.60Hula Drum (NZ)53.523/03/1985Fast
1500m1:27.21Shindig (NZ)53.021/03/1998Good
1750m1:45.62Riverina Charm (NZ)54.516/09/1989Fast
1800m1:47.99Intergaze55.501/03/1997Good
1850m1:51.80Balmerino (NZ)54.003/04/1976Fast
1900m1:53.96Balmeressa (NZ)51.501/04/1995Fast
2000m1:59.99Danewin55.501/04/1995Fast
2000m1:59.99Octagonal (NZ)55.523/03/1996Good
2030m2:02.90Princely Sum53.014/01/1978Fast
2400m2:25.78Grand Zulu53.503/04/2004Good
2800m2:58.20Bouton D'Or54.001/12/1979Fast
3200m3:23.70Kilmallock Boy (IRE)48.019/05/1979Good

Flemington Track Records
Distance (m)TimeDateHorse
10000-55.42 16 Feb 2013Black Caviar
1100  1-02.20 18 Dec 2004 Don't tell Tom 
1200  1-07.16 1 Jan 2001 Iglesia 
1400  1-20.6012 Dec 1992 Lovey
1600 1-33.49 9 Nov 2002 Scenic Peak 
1700  1-40.8316 Feb 2013Niconoise
1800  1-47.052 Nov 1999Depeche Mode 
2000  1-58.73 12 Mar 2005Makybe Diva
2500  2-33.007 Nov 1992 Kawtuban 
2600  2-41.002 Oct 1965Jovial Knight 
28002-52.406 Nov 2012 Verdant (GB)
32003-16.30 6 Nov 1990Kingston Rule (USA)
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955 RECORD 31.12.11 General Truce 58kg (-3kg) 55.28 GOOD3 4.93 True
1000m RECORD 03.02.07 Miss Andretti 57kg 57.22 GOOD3 4.53 3m
1200m RECORD 16.09.06 Miss Andretti 55kg 1-09.29 GOOD3 4.34 True
1500m RECORD 12.9.09 Philda 54kg 1.29.77 GOOD 3 4.51 True
1600m RECORD 31.12.10 Cabeza 55kg (-1.5kg) 1.34.78 GOOD3 4.38 2m
2040m RECORD 24.10.98 Might and Power 58kg 2-03.54 GOOD 4.2 True
2500m RECORD 22.08.09 Pass Me By 54.5kg 2-35.58 GOOD3 4.34 4m
3000m RECORD 17.02.05 Phayes Tip 55kg 3-08.95 GOOD 4.38 7m

900m
Follow Me Through
51.40
53kg
13/10/1984
1000m
Lucky Secret
55.97
58.5kg
10/10/2009
1100m
Here De Angels
1.01.73
56.5kg
06/02/2010
1200m
Miss Andretti
1.07.74
56kg
10/03/2007
1400m
Exceed And Excel
1.21.20
52kg
21/09/2003
1600m
Fields of Omagh
1.34.28
58kg
04/03/2006
1700m
Niagara Falls
1.41.42
53kg
26/12/2004
1800m
Cent Home (NZ)
1.47.19
58kg
24/02/2001
2000m
Tremezzo
2.00.38
54kg
08/12/2007
2400m
Diatribe
2.25.32
52.5kg
21/10/2000
3000m Hurdle
Prince Keystone
3.14.28
64kg
24/07/1999
3200m Hurdle
Our Running Star
3.30.00
63.5kg
28/05/1994

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"A lot of talk over the last few days on Black Caviar has been about her not holding any track records."

I can't recall any. You mean in the general media or here? I have certainly never mentioned the lack of track records in any discussion of BC's merits.
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Pretty sure Phar Lap, Vain and Manikato all set track records but you're right on its own it's a poor measure of quality overall. In BC's case it is icing on an already rich cake.
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Frankel doesn't hold any track records and he's the greatest horse in history.
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Not according to some who saw Carbine and Phar Lap.
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I mentioned something along these lines in the Lightning thread when some were saying that the time was wrong or the distance etc...

I went on to say that 99% of records are due to the state of the track and only 1% due to the horse. That is why the list of records are not littered with superstars. 

For those that want to say that it was the track condition that made it possible to run such a time for BC and that she shouldn't hold the record and it was Special's record. How certain are they that the track on the day Special recorded the record wasn't very fast?
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Is Sandown's 1000m still the quickest on Metro tracks?
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Originally posted by kavg kavg wrote:

I mentioned something along these lines in the Lightning thread when some were saying that the time was wrong or the distance etc...

I went on to say that 99% of records are due to the state of the track and only 1% due to the horse. That is why the list of records are not littered with superstars. 

For those that want to say that it was the track condition that made it possible to run such a time for BC and that she shouldn't hold the record and it was Special's record. How certain are they that the track on the day Special recorded the record wasn't very fast?

Special broke the track record on a fast track IIRC
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I think much of the time when the top races are on, in the East. States anyway, the tracks are prepared to be at their best i.e. a decent cushion of grass which generally isn't conducive to track records, race ones maybe.
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If you're going to get track records in big races it will most likely be Melbourne in the autumn cos it's not autumn it's still summer and it's still hot and often dry so the tracks get fast.
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I was there for Special. The track rating that day might as well have been "road". It was lightning fast. 
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Boys On Tour holds the same number of track records as Black Caviar.
 
They don't mean a great deal.
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