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djebel
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By Sean Cronin
5th-LLD, €18,000, Mdn, 4-29, unraced 2yo, 5 1/2fT, 1:13.63, gd. |
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reductio ad absurdum
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Glencoe
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Not much action thus far for this bloke in Europe 3 rnrs 1 wnr on Continent
8 rnrs 1 wnr & 16th on first seasons sire list in Eng/Ire Is it yet too early to make an assessment
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Red Hare
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Bought a little slice of one with Will Clarken, ex Al Nova (Al Samer, Carnegie).
I’ll just clear a bit of space in the trophy room. |
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acacia alba
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Dream on .
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animals before people.
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slowdown
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all the best Red Hare. we have a two year in the stable who goes nice. should win her first very quickly . 2nd on debut....
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Rebel - racing. Lionel - in work. Glory - spelling. Ray - spelling. A Wee Nip - in work.
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Sister Dot
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We now have an Excelebration, a Deep Field and a Toronado, all planned by breeding consultants. Fingers crossed at least one of them gets it right 😁 and maybe all
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“Where in this wide world can man find nobility without pride, friendship without envy, or beauty without vanity? Here where grace is laced with muscle and strength by gentleness confined”
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Red Hare
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Prince of Sussex is a real nice horse.
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Red Hare
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goldey
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Starting to hit his straps, I hear there are a few to come yet as 3yos ,he will have a serious horse from his first crop IMHO.
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Glencoe
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I would have to agree with you Goldey. He had so many nice 3YO miler types in the Yearling sales that some of them just have to be good. How many will be good? We'll have to wait and see
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Gay3
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Noblet trained filly Backpedal just streeted them at B/rat, albeit on the syntho, breaking the 1100m record. Eased down too
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Wisdom has been chasing me but I've always outrun it!
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goldey
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I have her in my 2018 yearling comp 😊
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Second Chance
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Sister Dot
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We own a couple of whiskers of a Toronado filly, starting to get excited. 🙏
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“Where in this wide world can man find nobility without pride, friendship without envy, or beauty without vanity? Here where grace is laced with muscle and strength by gentleness confined”
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gonski gonski
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Times are getting faster as the track settles.
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furious
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Great find Goldey. Hope it eventually keeps up your good record with the Everest!
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goldey
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Thousand Guineas would be just dandy, Gay, have put on a couple of dollars each way when she was named and found a certain owner involved who seems to have the Midas touch.
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furious
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Nice yearling shot showing on Racenet also. The Toronado's I've followed haven't started yet so I'm hoping they have some ability. The Shooting to Win yesterday I've got marked. They are also coming out and showing good form. It's nice to see the young middle distance types getting going also.
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Glencoe
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Is he losing interest in "the great pastime" this season? Anyone know
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Red Hare
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Now known as Lucky Express in HK. Has had four trials, so must be getting close to a race start. Moreira rode all four, winning two and running on strong in the other two from wide draws. I think Matt Laurie is pretty capable as a trainer. At least, from a punting perspective. No way known would I be able to say no to a $1.75m offer, but this fella looks pretty capable of pocketing that sort of money on the track - in either jurisdiction. His older half sister Algadon Miss, by Equiano, is an above average mare with just short of $300k to her name. Plus, there is a yearling full sister to come.
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Red Hare
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Covered 197 mares. I suppose it might get a bit vanilla once you clear 175.
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Red Hare
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He's won the longevity battle against Olympic Glory & Dawn Approach, though it's certainly tougher to make it in the Hunter...mind you, the other two went backwards in service fee from the outset and Toronado has just had his biggest year off an increase.
Does anyone have an opinion (better yet, analysis) of the mares that he's serviced? How do they compare to his since-departed contemporaries?
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Second Chance
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He received a far better book than Dawn Approach which was always a hard sell in Oz. Mind you DA had five stakes winners from two crops in 2019 the moment they rightly kept him home, and reckon he'll get a few more from his remaining crops if they don't push his stock too early.
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Red Hare
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Cheers SC. Do you have the numbers (group winners, group producers, etc) at hand, or just a gut feel?
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Second Chance
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Don't have a list RH, though believe his books can be downloaded from somewhere (the Stud Book?).
Was just going by what Adam said to me and others about his first book, which hopefully was more than marketing.
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Red Hare
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Fair enough. Thanks mate.
They're in the Stud Book, but unless you know them by name it's a good 3-4 hours of clicking through links... i.e. where a hobby becomes a chore.
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Gay3
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Wisdom has been chasing me but I've always outrun it!
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Red Hare
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Good info Gay, but more about him and the crops. I'm interested in the mares.
I'll put something together. Unraced Metro winner Blacktype winner Group winner Group 1 winner First season mare Progeny winning ratio when served (i.e. two winners from four of racing age) Blacktype producer Group producer Group 1 producer ??? Something to fill the gap where the mare has nothing but her family to bring to the table - i.e. The Broken Shore, Ten Carat Rock or Lago Ovation. Could yet do a Chautauqua here...
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Glencoe
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For all stallions after 3 seasons of runners the stats that tell the story quite bluntly are;
1) runners to foals ratio 2)winners: runners 3) A.E.I.Index & APEX ratings 4) S.Wnrs to rnrs ratio Hence Stallions such as Fighting Sun, Fiorente, Sizzling, Eurozone & Akeed Mofeed all nned a very good 6 months ahead or no amount of advertising will have them in the upper echelon of their respective year
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acacia alba
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Got the winner of the Tasmanian Oaks the other day, for Bill Ryan. Have a look at her race record.
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animals before people.
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