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Tail female families 1 & 14 tend to work well together, from the research I've done on my own mare who is a family 1. I note Dylan Thomas and Grand Slam are both family 9-C mares cover by family 2 stallions, which possibly may like each others blood... then the French House on the tail, and Nearctic both trace to the same mare...

There's a bit going on there...
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Originally posted by Second Chance Second Chance wrote:

Will no doubt be shown the error of my ways quick smart, but can't quite see what a breeding consultant like KM would see in the Toronado - The French House match.  Confused

ps  the above photo of Toronado does him no justice whatsoever.


Ime, Kristen is a fan of duplicating Blue Hens & family affinities so the Doubly Sure dups & high incidence of the No. 2 families would have appealed along with almost all males on her side being carried by Toronado too.
Furious would no doubt manage to dissect her reasoning far better than I tho' Wink
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Any chance of getting that pedigree blown up please Gay ?

I understand you probably would have if you could have but I thought I would ask anyway.




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I was hoping someone might suggest how as it's got me Censoreded Unhappy
The forum won't accept it as a copy/paste & I don't like the HTML format.
Might be better by going to View then Zoom, I'll try it.
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h Chaparral
1999
Sadler's Wells
1981
Northern Dancer
1961
Nearctic
1954
Nearco
1935
Pharos
1920
Phalaris
Scapa Flow
1913 - 1-i
1914 - 13-e
Nogara
1928
Havresac II
Catnip
1915 - 8-h
1910 - 4-r
Lady Angela
1944
Hyperion
1930
Gainsborough
Selene
1915 - 2-n
1919 - 6-e
Sister Sarah
1930
Abbots Trace
Sarita
1917 - 4-j
1924 - 14-c
Natalma
1957
Native Dancer
1950
Polynesian
1942
Unbreakable
Black Polly
1935 - 4-i
1936 - 14-a
Geisha
1943
Discovery
Miyako
1931 - 23-b
1935 - 5-f
Almahmoud
1947
Mahmoud
1933
Blenheim
Mah Mahal
1927 - 1-e
1928 - 9-c
Arbitrator
1937
Peace Chance
Mother Goose
1931 - 10-d
1922 - 2-d
Fairy Bridge
1975
Bold Reason
1968
Hail To Reason
1958
Turn-To
1951
Royal Charger
Source Sucree
1942 - 9-c
1940 - 1-w
Nothirdchance
1948
Blue Swords
Galla Colors
1940 - 7
1943 - 4-n
Lalun
1952
Djeddah
1945
Djebel
Djezima
1937 - 5-j
1933 - 13-c
Be Faithful
1942
Bimelech
Bloodroot
1937 - 1-x
1932 - 19-b
Special
1969
Forli
1963
Aristophanes
1948
Hyperion
Commotion
1930 - 6-e
1938 - 9-c
Trevisa
1951
Advocate
Veneta
1940 - 4-k
1940 - 3-b
Thong
1964
Nantallah
1953
Nasrullah
Shimmer
1940 - 9-c
1945 - 6
Rough Shod
1944
Gold Bridge
Dalmary
1929 - 22-d
1931 - 5-h
Kasora
1993
Darshaan
1981
Shirley Heights
1975
Mill Reef
1968
Never Bend
1960
Nasrullah
Lalun
1940 - 9-c
1952 - 19-b
Milan Mill
1962
Princequillo
Virginia Water
1940 - 1-b
1953 - 22-d
Hardiemma
1969
Hardicanute
1962
Hard Ridden
Harvest Maid
1955 - 16
1949 - 3-j
Grand Cross
1952
Grandmaster
Blue Cross
1942 - 1-k
1946 - 1-l
Delsy
1972
Abdos
1959
Arbar
1944
Djebel
Astronomie
1937 - 5-j
1932 - 9-e
Pretty Lady
1942
Umidwar
La Moqueuse
1931 - 3-e
1925 - 1-e
Kelty
1965
Venture VII
1957
Relic
Rose O'Lynn
1945 - 8-f
1944 - 7
Marilla
1957
Marsyas
Albanilla
1940 - 9-e
1951 - 13-c
Kozana
1982
Kris
1976
Sharpen Up
1969
Atan
1961
Native Dancer
Mixed Marriage
1950 - 5-f
1952 - 2-f
Rocchetta
1961
Rockefella
Chambiges
1941 - 7-a
1949 - 5-i
Doubly Sure
1971
Reliance
1962
Tantieme
Relance
1947 - 20-a
1952 - 16-h
Soft Angels
1963
Crepello
Sweet Angel
1954 - 16-d
1955 - 2-o
Koblenza
1966
Hugh Lupus
1952
Djebel
1937
Tourbillon
Loika
1928 - 13-c
1926 - 5-j
Sakountala
1942
Goya
Samos
1934 - 9-e
1932 - 19
Kalimara
1960
Norseman
1940
Umidwar
Tara
1931 - 3-e
1932 - 13-c
Montana
1943
Mirko
Indiara
1939 - 22-d
1935 - 1-n
Wana Doo
2000
Grand Slam
1995
Gone West
1984
Mr Prospector
1970
Raise A Native
1961
Native Dancer
1950
Polynesian
Geisha
1942 - 14-a
1943 - 5-f
Raise You
1946
Case Ace
Lady Glory
1934 - 1-k
1934 - 8-f
Gold Digger
1962
Nashua
1952
Nasrullah
Segula
1940 - 9-c
1942 - 3-m
Sequence
1946
Count Fleet
Miss Dogwood
1940 - 6
1939 - 13-c
Secrettame
1978
Secretariat
1970
Bold Ruler
1954
Nasrullah
Miss Disco
1940 - 9-c
1944 - 8-d
Somethingroyal
1952
Princequillo
Imperatrice
1940 - 1-b
1938 - 2-s
Tamerett
1962
Tim Tam
1955
Tom Fool
Two Lea
1949 - 3-j
1946 - 23-b
Mixed Marriage
1952
Tudor Minstrel
Persian Maid
1944 - 9-c
1947 - 2-f
Bright Candles
1987
El Gran Senor
1981
Northern Dancer
1961
Nearctic
1954
Nearco
Lady Angela
1935 - 4-r
1944 - 14-c
Natalma
1957
Native Dancer
Almahmoud
1950 - 5-f
1947 - 2-d
Sex Appeal
1970
Buckpasser
1963
Tom Fool
Busanda
1949 - 3-j
1947 - 1-x
Best In Show
1965
Traffic Judge
Stolen Hour
1952 - 3-n
1953 - 8-f
Christmas Bonus
1978
Key To The Mint
1969
Graustark
1963
Ribot
Flower Bowl
1952 - 4-l
1952 - 4-d
Key Bridge
1959
Princequillo
Blue Banner
1940 - 1-b
1952 - 2-n
Sugar Plum Time
1972
Bold Ruler
1954
Nasrullah
Miss Disco
1940 - 9-c
1944 - 8-d
Plum Cake
1958
Ponder
Real Delight
1946 - 23
1949 - 9-c
Wedding Gift
1993
Always Fair
1985
Danzig
1977
Northern Dancer
1961
Nearctic
1954
Nearco
Lady Angela
1935 - 4-r
1944 - 14-c
Natalma
1957
Native Dancer
Almahmoud
1950 - 5-f
1947 - 2-d
Pas De Nom
1968
Admiral's Voyage
1959
Crafty Admiral
Olympia Lou
1948 - 8-c
1952 - 4-n
Petitioner
1952
Petition
Steady Aim
1944 - 16-h
1943 - 7-a
Carduel
1978
Buckpasser
1963
Tom Fool
1949
Menow
Gaga
1935 - 8-g
1942 - 3-j
Busanda
1947
War Admiral
Businesslike
1934 - 11-b
1939 - 1-x
Minstrelete
1973
Round Table
1954
Princequillo
Knight's Daughter
1940 - 1-b
1941 - 2-f
Gay Violin
1964
Sir Gaylord
Blue Violin
1959 - 2-s
1951 - 19-b
Such Style
1977
Sassafras
1967
Sheshoon
1956
Precipitation
1933
Hurry On
Double Life
1913 - 2-d
1926 - 2-i
Noorani
1950
Nearco
Empire Glory
1935 - 4-r
1933 - 14-a
Ruta
1960
Ratification
1953
Court Martial
Solesa
1942 - 1-p
1940 - 1-u
Dame D'Atour
1955
Cranach
Barley Corn
1938 - 12-e
1950 - 8-c
Regal Lady
1970
Relko
1960
Tanerko
1953
Tantieme
La Divine
1947 - 20-a
1943 - 12
Relance
1952
Relic
Polaire
1945 - 8-f
1947 - 16-h
Noble Lassie
1956
Nearco
1935
Pharos
Nogara
1920 - 13-e
1928 - 4-r
Belle Sauvage
1949
Big Game
Tropical Sun
1939 - 6-e
1940 - 1-d
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onado
2010
High Chaparral
1999
Sadler's Wells
1981
Northern Dancer
1961
Nearctic
1954
Nearco
1935
Pharos
Nogara
1920 - 13-e
1928 - 4-r
Lady Angela
1944
Hyperion
Sister Sarah
1930 - 6-e
1930 - 14-c
Natalma
1957
Native Dancer
1950
Polynesian
Geisha
1942 - 14-a
1943 - 5-f
Almahmoud
1947
Mahmoud
Arbitrator
1933 - 9-c
1937 - 2-d
Fairy Bridge
1975
Bold Reason
1968
Hail To Reason
1958
Turn-To
Nothirdchance
1951 - 1-w
1948 - 4-n
Lalun
1952
Djeddah
Be Faithful
1945 - 13-c
1942 - 19-b
Special
1969
Forli
1963
Aristophanes
Trevisa
1948 - 9-c
1951 - 3-b
Thong
1964
Nantallah
Rough Shod
1953 - 6
1944 - 5-h
Kasora
1993
Darshaan
1981
Shirley Heights
1975
Mill Reef
1968
Never Bend
Milan Mill
1960 - 19-b
1962 - 22-d
Hardiemma
1969
Hardicanute
Grand Cross
1962 - 3-j
1952 - 1-l
Delsy
1972
Abdos
1959
Arbar
Pretty Lady
1944 - 9-e
1942 - 1-e
Kelty
1965
Venture VII
Marilla
1957 - 7
1957 - 13-c
Kozana
1982
Kris
1976
Sharpen Up
1969
Atan
Rocchetta
1961 - 2-f
1961 - 5-i
Doubly Sure
1971
Reliance
Soft Angels
1962 - 16-h
1963 - 2-o
Koblenza
1966
Hugh Lupus
1952
Djebel
Sakountala
1937 - 5-j
1942 - 19
Kalimara
1960
Norseman
Montana
1940 - 13-c
1943 - 1-n
Wana Doo
2000
Grand Slam
1995
Gone West
1984
Mr Prospector
1970
Raise A Native
1961
Native Dancer
Raise You
1950 - 5-f
1946 - 8-f
Gold Digger
1962
Nashua
Sequence
1952 - 3-m
1946 - 13-c
Secrettame
1978
Secretariat
1970
Bold Ruler
Somethingroyal
1954 - 8-d
1952 - 2-s
Tamerett
1962
Tim Tam
Mixed Marriage
1955 - 23-b
1952 - 2-f
Bright Candles
1987
El Gran Senor
1981
Northern Dancer
1961
Nearctic
Natalma
1954 - 14-c
1957 - 2-d
Sex Appeal
1970
Buckpasser
Best In Show
1963 - 1-x
1965 - 8-f
Christmas Bonus
1978
Key To The Mint
1969
Graustark
Key Bridge
1963 - 4-d
1959 - 2-n
Sugar Plum Time
1972
Bold Ruler
Plum Cake
1954 - 8-d
1958 - 9-c
Wedding Gift
1993
Always Fair
1985
Danzig
1977
Northern Dancer
1961
Nearctic
Natalma
1954 - 14-c
1957 - 2-d
Pas De Nom
1968
Admiral's Voyage
Petitioner
1959 - 4-n
1952 - 7-a
Carduel
1978
Buckpasser
1963
Tom Fool
Busanda
1949 - 3-j
1947 - 1-x
Minstrelete
1973
Round Table
Gay Violin
1954 - 2-f
1964 - 19-b
Such Style
1977
Sassafras
1967
Sheshoon
1956
Precipitation
Noorani
1933 - 2-i
1950 - 14-a
Ruta
1960
Ratification
Dame D'Atour
1953 - 1-u
1955 - 8-c
Regal Lady
1970
Relko
1960
Tanerko
Relance
1953 - 12
1952 - 16-h
Noble Lassie
1956
Nearco
Belle Sauvage
1935 - 4-r
1949 - 1-d
The French House
2011
Dylan Thomas
2003
Danehill
1986
Danzig
1977
Northern Dancer
1961
Nearctic
1954
Nearco
Lady Angela
1935 - 4-r
1944 - 14-c
Natalma
1957
Native Dancer
Almahmoud
1950 - 5-f
1947 - 2-d
Pas De Nom
1968
Admiral's Voyage
1959
Crafty Admiral
Olympia Lou
1948 - 8-c
1952 - 4-n
Petitioner
1952
Petition
Steady Aim
1944 - 16-h
1943 - 7-a
Razyana
1981
His Majesty
1968
Ribot
1952
Tenerani
Romanella
1944 - 6-d
1943 - 4-l
Flower Bowl
1952
Alibhai
Flower Bed
1938 - 6-d
1946 - 4-d
Spring Adieu
1974
Buckpasser
1963
Tom Fool
Busanda
1949 - 3-j
1947 - 1-x
Natalma
1957
Native Dancer
Almahmoud
1950 - 5-f
1947 - 2-d
Lagrion
1989
Diesis
1980
Sharpen Up
1969
Atan
1961
Native Dancer
Mixed Marriage
1950 - 5-f
1952 - 2-f
Rocchetta
1961
Rockefella
Chambiges
1941 - 7-a
1949 - 5-i
Doubly Sure
1971
Reliance
1962
Tantieme
Relance
1947 - 20-a
1952 - 16-h
Soft Angels
1963
Crepello
Sweet Angel
1954 - 16-d
1955 - 2-o
Wrap It Up
1979
Mount Hagen
1971
Bold Bidder
1962
Bold Ruler
High Bid
1954 - 8-d
1956 - 3-n
Moonmadness
1963
Tom Fool
Sunset III
1949 - 3-j
1950 - 1-p
Doc Nan
1963
Francis S
1957
Royal Charger
Blue Eyed Momo
1942 - 9-c
1944 - 1-x
Betty W
1957
Mossborough
Doniazade
1947 - 6-e
1949 - 9
Deraismes
2003
Grand Lodge
1991
Chief's Crown
1982
Danzig
1977
Northern Dancer
1961
Nearctic
Natalma
1954 - 14-c
1957 - 2-d
Pas De Nom
1968
Admiral's Voyage
Petitioner
1959 - 4-n
1952 - 7-a
Six Crowns
1976
Secretariat
1970
Bold Ruler
Somethingroyal
1954 - 8-d
1952 - 2-s
Chris Evert
1971
Swoon's Son
Miss Carmie
1953 - 12
1966 - 23-b
La Papagena
1983
Habitat
1966
Sir Gaylord
1959
Turn-To
Somethingroyal
1951 - 1-w
1952 - 2-s
Little Hut
1952
Occupy
Savage Beauty
1941 - 23-b
1934 - 4-r
Magic Flute
1968
Tudor Melody
1956
Tudor Minstrel
Matelda
1944 - 9-c
1947 - 1-n
Filigrana
1953
Niccolo Dell'arca
Gamble In Gold
1938 - 4-r
1948 - 14-b
Assertive Lady
1993
Assert
1979
Be My Guest
1974
Northern Dancer
1961
Nearctic
Natalma
1954 - 14-c
1957 - 2-d
What A Treat
1962
Tudor Minstrel
Rare Treat
1944 - 9-c
1952 - 8-c
Irish Bird
1970
Sea Bird
1962
Dan Cupid
Sicalade
1956 - 4-m
1956 - 2-n
Irish Lass
1962
Sayajirao
Scollata
1944 - 3-n
1952 - 8-c
Cairene
1982
Artaius
1974
Round Table
1954
Princequillo
Knight's Daughter
1940 - 1-b
1941 - 2-f
Stylish Pattern
1961
My Babu
Sunset Gun
1945 - 1-w
1955 - 14-c
Jem Jen
1977
Great Nephew
1963
Honeyway
Sybil's Niece
1941 - 9-h
1951 - 14-c
Io
1957
Tenerani
Fatimite
1944 - 6-d
1941 - 14-c


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Yes I was going to suggest the Double Sure son cross but was off to the physio.  As well as the 14c sireling of Nearctic and 14c female line.  You see it more often as the sireline of the dam (in the 5th generation) and the damline of the sire.
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Hello,
the third dam Cairene shows linebreeding to "Pretty Polly", Sire Artaius and damsire Great Nephew to PP and the damline is from the same branch of Fam. 14-c. Her daughter is by Assert tracing to Nearctic, more PP. Deraismes is by Grand Lodge, tracing to a Adula, a FS of Pretty Polly.
 
Toronado traces to "Belle Sauvage" Family of Vaguely Noble (Ace of Aces, Terreno, Gay Menece, Dahlia, etc.) and Lombard (Allegretta/Alya, Galileo, Sea the Stars, Adlerflug, etc.)
 
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Redoutes mare with Toranado at foot - what a ripper Star



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This foal, or an older sibling depending on when the shot was taken, is Lot 474 in the Melbourne Premier.
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Originally posted by Gay3 Gay3 wrote:

Redoutes mare with Toranado at foot - what a ripper Star

Pretty hard to lose out on $16k for that package.
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Gay    1) $16k does seem on the light side
 
          2) Check the Grand Slam part of the pedigree above.   Both Stud book & Stallions use the Gone West stallion
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Originally posted by Gay3 Gay3 wrote:

Originally posted by Second Chance Second Chance wrote:

Will no doubt be shown the error of my ways quick smart, but can't quite see what a breeding consultant like KM would see in the Toronado - The French House match.  Confused

ps  the above photo of Toronado does him no justice whatsoever.


Ime, Kristen is a fan of duplicating Blue Hens & family affinities so the Doubly Sure dups & high incidence of the No. 2 families would have appealed along with almost all males on her side being carried by Toronado too.
Furious would no doubt manage to dissect her reasoning far better than I tho' Wink
 
She has bred more slow horses than anyone in the last 20 years.
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Many thanks to Glencoe Thumbs Up whose eagle eye picked up a software data error in that TP had the wrong Grand Slam.
This has now been corrected in both above charts. 
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Sold 5 of 6 for $55k avg, including a $50k colt from the Arletty family.

Didn't see that coming.
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Selling a lot lower than I would have thought. We had planned to send our girl last year but changed to Star Witness... glad we did now
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I'm sure BiCarb she would also have more success if she had access to better mares.  We all know that things don't work 100% of the time but class helps with getting the better genes across.  If you have a non winning family and a winning family (same family but different branches) even with the best of intentions you'll still have more chances with the better winning family.
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I was most interested but went off him also, basically because this is his dam's record at stud other than Toronado:

Cherrington - unraced 4yo
Christmas Joy - unraced 6yo
Effect - last at its only start
Seventh Cloud - maiden from 10 starts
Wedding Dance - last at its only start
Wan - one win over Steeples in Italy.

That said, I do hope he makes it.


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2 weeks ago she broke thru' for 100 individual horses or winners (forget) & I remembered most of them, especially Wowee who I think was stakes winner or placed.
She's very astute off a tiny budget & Bonfire Night by Golden Snake won last week as well.
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Kristen Manning to THE FRENCH HOUSE
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As you all know I love sons of High Chaparral (aka Toronado) for Dylan Thomas mares such as our lovely girl! Dundeel is another great match but one we could not afford - it is however gratifying to see that Dundeel's first winner Cutadeel is out of a Dylan Thomas mare!

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Second Chance look at Star Kingdom again please.  From a great female line but his first four dams couldn't produce any stakes results.  This one is also from a great female line - that of Vaguely Noble.  Yes dam wasn't great but the bloodlines are there to help.  He may or may not make it but it won't be because of his dam.
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Or even go closer to home with Danehill's dam.  Only one stakes winner from at least 13 named foals.  All well breed most by Danzig.  But Danehill got the right genes and the others well we all know they didn't.
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Looking a bit better at Premier (so far).

Cat - 30
Sold - 12
PI - 3
W - 1
Agg - $1,400,000
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They're certainly magnificent types Big smile
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Like any Stallion might get the odd good one but in general doubt they will be able to run.
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I think any stud would be happy with a few good ones.. comparing that to .. multiple lemons and no good ones LOL

you can at least market the good...

its the bad, that you cant say much about and god knows there's lots of sires with just plain average stock not getting metro winners, yet highly priced

I like the look of Toronado myself & if I had the money (or mare) I would give him a go

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You've gone Troppo !!!
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Some lovely yearlings at Premier . He leaves far better types than his dad High Chap.
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I just LOVE the Toronado ex She's Got Gears colt Hawkes got at Premier $340k...CAN'T WAIT TO SEE WHAT HE CAN DO..
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I believe this is his first runner anywhere on the planet. She goes around in the first in Ireland tonight.

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Toronado (IRE)
Bay 2010
High Chaparral
Bay 1999
Sadler's Wells
Bay 1981
Northern Dancer
Bay 1961
Nearctic
Natalma
1954
1957
14-c
2-d
Fairy Bridge
Bay 1975
Bold Reason
Special
1968
1969
19-b
5-h
Kasora
Brown 1993
Darshaan
Brown 1981
Shirley Heights
Delsy
1975
1972
1-l
13-c
Kozana
Brown 1982
Kris
Koblenza
1976
1966
2-o
1-n
Wana Doo
Bay 2000
Grand Slam
Bay or brown 1995
Gone West
Bay 1984
Mr Prospector
Secrettame
1970
1978
13-c
2-f
Bright Candles
Chestnut 1987
El Gran Senor
Christmas Bonus
1981
1978
8-f
9-c
Wedding Gift
Bay or brown 1993
Always Fair
Bay 1985
Danzig
Carduel
1977
1978
7-a
19-b
Such Style
Bay 1977
Sassafras
Regal Lady
1967
1970
8-c
1-d
Suite (IRE)
Bay 2011
Invincible Spirit
Bay 1997
Green Desert
Bay 1983
Danzig
Bay 1977
Northern Dancer
Pas de Nom
1961
1968
2-d
7-a
Foreign Courier
Bay 1979
Sir Ivor
Courtly Dee
1965
1968
8-g
A4
Rafha
Bay 1987
Kris
Chestnut 1976
Sharpen Up
Doubly Sure
1969
1971
5-i
2-o
Eljazzi
Bay 1981
Artaius
Border Bounty
1974
1965
14-c
7-a
Rakiza
Bay or brown 2004
Elnadim
Bay or brown 1994
Danzig
Bay 1977
Northern Dancer
Pas de Nom
1961
1968
2-d
7-a
Elle Seule
Chestnut 1983
Exclusive Native
Fall Aspen
1965
1976
10-a
4-m
Filfilah
Chestnut 1995
Cadeaux Genereux
Chestnut 1985
Young Generation
Smarten Up
1976
1975
13-e
10-b
El Rabab
Brown 1989
Roberto
Brave Raj
1969
1984
12-c
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