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    Posted: 13 Dec 2018 at 8:40am
It's complicated, but Europe and May have basically agreed on terms including 39 billion pound divorce settlement visa issues, most regulatory stuff. The sticking points are at home around Ireland mostly. It is a 3 point plan where the third is a concern because of the soft or hard border issue and the transition period that. May has made open ended with a date of 20XX instead of 2020. It raises concerns of the 2 Irelands becoming united over time and possibly leaving Britain as a single unit. More issues but Ireland is the main sticking point.
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All the arrangements they currently enjoy with European nations (many, varied and complex (especially with regards to financial markets)) would disappear overnight. The scary part is no one really knows what will happen, after all this time. Can’t happen now enyway, it’s May’s deal or remain.

Recklessly they put a vote for a concept, not a plan. They got chaos. Cameron needs to take his share of blame for all this.
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I really can't see what all the fuss is about. No-deal Brexit, the UK can trade with the EU the way every other non EU country does under WTO rules. Lot of scaremongering going on I suspect.
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May survives 200 -117.
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May says if she is replaced new leader would have to delay Brexit

Theresa May says she is going to contest the confidence vote “with everthing I’ve got”.

She says she has been a member of the party for 40 years, and has served it in various posts, including as PM.

She has done so because she wants a better future for the country.

And her priority now is delivering Brexit.

She says she has a passionate belief that a better future is available. And that is now within the country’s grasp.

She met EU leaders yesterday. She was due to go to Dub

She says having a new leader now would put “our country’s future at risk”.

She says a new leader would not have time time reopen the negotiations, and so parliament would be able to take over the process.

And she says that a new leader would have to delay or revoke article 50.

  • May says if she is replaced a new leader would have to delay Brexit.

She says the only people who would benefit would be Jeremy Corbyn and John McDonnell.

She says the Conservatives are a modern, pragmatic party.

She refers to the agenda she set out in her “burning injustices” speech when she became PM. She intends to finish the job, she says.

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Timetable for the day

On the Today programme Sir Graham Brady said that Theresa Maywould address the backbench 1922 Committee at 5pm tonight.

The no confidence vote will then be held between 6pm and 8pm, with the result announced soon afterwards.

So here is the timetable for the day.

12pm: Theresa May faces Jeremy Corbyn at PMQs.

2pm: May chairs cabinet

5pm: May addresses the 1922 Committee.

6pm: The no confidence ballot opens,

8pm: The ballot closes. The result is announced soon afterwards.

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The conservative ruling part in GB is so totally bereft of credibility that it's understood to be asking ScoMo for advice. Sick
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Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

Theresa May is to face a no confidence vote in Parliament tomorrow.

Who would want to replace her facing this Brexit mess?

she was always on a hiding to nothing - there is no good outcomes with such a spectacularly bad hand
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Theresa May is due to make a statement in Downing Street at 8.30am.

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Theresa May is to face a no confidence vote in Parliament tomorrow.

Who would want to replace her facing this Brexit mess?
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Originally posted by Shammy Davis Shammy Davis wrote:

Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

Good piece in today's New Yorker laying out the weekend's outcomes and future questions on the realignment of not only French but much broader politics

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<div id="" style="border: 0px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-size: 16px;"><div itemprop="article" ="article" id="article" style="border: 0px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; : relative;"><p ="Msonormal">As Emmanuel Macron and his supporters celebrated his big
victory in the French Presidential election outside the Louvre on Sunday night,
you could almost hear the sighs of relief from other parts of Europe, and also
from this country. After a long and fractious campaign, which saw the two
parties that have run France for decades humiliated, and the far-right National
Frontenjoying record levels of support, the center ultimately held. Which is
good news all around.<o:p></o:p>

<p ="Msonormal"><o:p> </o:p>

<p ="Msonormal">Last November, it looked as if Donald Trump’s election,
which followed the Brexit vote in Britain, might herald a wave of successes for
far-right nationalist parties across Europe. That hasn’t happened. First in
Austria, then in the Netherlands, and now in France, the spiritual home of
European democracy, the extremists have been defeated in national elections.
For now . . .


Macron has as much chance of forming a successful working coalition as his elderly wife has of getting pregnant. Overtaking FR, China is now GE largest trading partner and FR has dropped to 12th with the USA. Not to mention the societal problems facing FR with open borders, high unemployment, and liberal welfare programs. Countries like France, Italy, Belgium, Holland etc have historically been cowardly when faced with societal decision-making. Like the link says, the nationalist conservative movements have been stalled for now, but not stopped.

    You might be right Shammy...

          She is rather Old.



















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Originally posted by JudgeHolden JudgeHolden wrote:

So May’s canned plan A. Apparently there is no plan B. Possibly hurtling towards two very different but wildly divisive scenarios here- no deal or even remain. Making the Yanks and the French look good atm. What a sh1tshow.

Bloody hopeless.

Just reread the first few posts of this thread in the context of recent french news. Pretty interesting before it turned to crap about racecourses or something.

The one good thing about Macron's address to the nation today was that it started with the French, not the EU, anthem.
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So May’s canned plan A. Apparently there is no plan B. Possibly hurtling towards two very different but wildly divisive scenarios here- no deal or even remain. Making the Yanks and the French look good atm. What a sh1tshow.
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LOL. Those Rutherglen fortifieds sure beat the Yarra Valley crap Doc. I like Campbells, Morris and Buller. Have been going to all three vineyards for decades. 
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Your taste buds are varied Doc,..so it appears your not a one pot screamer.
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Oh Carioca !   LOL  Whats wrong with a flagon of white lady ???Wink

Loved a white lady AA,..but not in a flagon.


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Oh Carioca !   LOL  Whats wrong with a flagon of white lady ???Wink

Loved a white lady AA,..but not in a flagon.
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... and it would be remiss not to make special mention of Northern Victoria for their Durifs and fortifieds - particularly Rutherglen. Big smile
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What are you trying to say Carioca? ... what do you think happens to the millions of refugees that don't drown at sea, who keep flooding into the UK and Europe under the UN open borders policy - the same policies we will soon be adopting if Mal and Jules get their way, and Shorten or Albo will most certainly push for if given a sniff? ... do you think they just assimilate and become valuable contributors and an integral part of those societies ... like they do in Bankstown?LOL 

McLaren Vale Shiraz blends are far from fake - I could almost take offence at that statement!Wink

Forgot to put a little smile Doc, only having my usual dig, when you attain a little class in the drinking dept. you might like to try Penfolds ST.Henri, just saying.

I haven't actually tried a St Henri that i can recall C, but I'll take your tip and try one (eventually) - they don't do a bad job the old St George Dragons sponsor - Famous for their Reds and Whites! Wink

Gotta say, I did enjoy their '88 Grange (they often include McLaren Vale grapes in the blend), but wasn't too fussed with their '99 RWT when I cracked that a couple of years ago (gave the others away!) - one of the best buys I ever made was their Koonunga Hill (just their cheap quaffer) a few years ago now, it was around an early 2000 vintage, but had been put down for about 10 years - it was pure, only paid about $15 a bottle, wish I'd bought more!Cry

If you like a bold, full bodied, berry fruits red, you can't go past McLaren Vale though - Wirra Wirra, Coreole, d'Arenberg are the commercial "go to's", Marius (cellar club) is my favourite.  

Not real fussed on European wines though ...
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Originally posted by Dr E Dr E wrote:

What are you trying to say Carioca? ... what do you think happens to the millions of refugees that don't drown at sea, who keep flooding into the UK and Europe under the UN open borders policy - the same policies we will soon be adopting if Mal and Jules get their way, and Shorten or Albo will most certainly push for if given a sniff? ... do you think they just assimilate and become valuable contributors and an integral part of those societies ... like they do in Bankstown?LOL 

McLaren Vale Shiraz blends are far from fake - I could almost take offence at that statement!Wink

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Oh C,mon, Dr E . Everyone knows there are no  "no go zones " , either in London or Sydney !!!Big smile Just areas taken over completely by those that come to these cities for a better life, and then refuse to assimilate and integrate.

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Of course, nothing like this would happen in Europe's "Multicultural Utopia" ...



 
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What are you trying to say Carioca? ... what do you think happens to the millions of refugees that don't drown at sea, who keep flooding into the UK and Europe under the UN open borders policy - the same policies we will soon be adopting if Mal and Jules get their way, and Shorten or Albo will most certainly push for if given a sniff? ... do you think they just assimilate and become valuable contributors and an integral part of those societies ... like they do in Bankstown?LOL 

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Originally posted by Dr E Dr E wrote:

Much of Europe is beautiful and accessible and retains it's heritage, culture and character ... the places that the tour guides take you at least!

The Muslim no go zones and ghettos are growing exponentially though, and the tourist tracks will soon shrink.

The future is certainly looking Islam!Thumbs Up

Well spotted Dr Doom, now go back to your bottle of fake red.
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Much of Europe is beautiful and accessible and retains it's heritage, culture and character ... the places that the tour guides take you at least!

The Muslim no go zones and ghettos are growing exponentially though, and the tourist tracks will soon shrink.

The future is certainly looking Islam!Thumbs Up
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Spot on there Stayer. Britain is crumbling under the weight of absent minded social revolution. 
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