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Rosehill Gardens: Australian Turf Club Saturday 22, March 2014

Meeting Type: Metro (TAB MEETING)
Rail Position: True
Track Condition: Slow 6
Track Type: Turf
Weather: Fine
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Acceptances Last Published: Wed 19-Mar-14 10:29AM AEDT
Total Number of acceptors for this meeting (including emergencies) 101 

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Race 1 - 12:20PM BACARDI UNTAMEABLE STAKES (1100 METRES)
Of $150,000.1st $90,000, 2nd $30,000, 3rd $15,000, 4th $7,500, 5th $3,000, 6th $1,500, 7th $1,500, 8th $1,500 GROUP 3
Quality, Minimum Weight 55kg, Three-Years-Old and Upwards, Weight Raised 1kg, Apprentices cannot claim.

Field Limit: 16 + 4 EM

NoLast 10HorseTrainerJockeyBarrierWeightPenaltyHcp Rating
18490x329x6TITLEJoseph PrideJay Ford758kg99
22133x15155FLAMBERGEPeter G MoodyChad Schofield157.5kg98
3x311511x43THAT’S A GOOD IDEAJoseph PrideGlyn Schofield356kg95
490x114540xVA PENSIEROJason CoyleTim Clark255kg90
518x113211KENCELLAJohn O'SheaJames McDonald655kg85
611x11xSENTA DE NOCHEKris LeesChristian Reith455kg80
7712350x527DIAMOND OASISJohn O'SheaGlen Boss555kg78
80738x14344SHIVARCHIRobert PriceTommy Berry855kg75
Race 2 - 12:55PM APN OUTDOOR HANDICAP (1200 METRES)
Of $85,000.1st $48,750, 2nd $16,750, 3rd $8,350, 4th $4,150, 5th $2,000, 6th $1,000, 7th $1,000, 8th $1,000, 9th $1,000, 10th $1,000
BenchMark 85, Handicap, Minimum Weight 53kg, Three-Years-Old and Upwards, Apprentices can claim.
BOBS Bonus available: $20,000

Field Limit: 18 + 4 EM

NoLast 10HorseTrainerJockeyBarrierWeightPenaltyHcp Rating
140x409631xCAMPANOLOGY (GB)Chris WallerJohn Kissick (a3/54kg)1259kg85
28613119x42HAUSSMANNPeter Snowden958.5kg84
31x1245x7BARBEDPeter Snowden1158kg85
41053x4131xZEPHYRON (NZ)Michael, Wayne & John HawkesJames McDonald1057kg81
584576x6723EARNEST ERNEST (NZ)Joseph PrideNash Rawiller456kg79
637395158x8TURNLEYClarry ConnersBrenton Avdulla555kg77
7116111x211JEFFERSON PARKCraig Martin154kg80
8x95020x131CASINO SWOOPJohn P ThompsonJim Cassidy354kg75
911x177xDESERT WIZARD (NZ)Nigel BlackistonChad Schofield854kg75
10x31131824xSTRONG BOYGuy Walter654kg68
1111xCHARGE MISSILEGerald RyanChristian Reith753kg72
12316x6POLARMOREJohn O'SheaGlen Boss253kg68
Race 3 - 1:30PM THE OTHER WOMAN TODMAN STAKES (1200 METRES)
Of $300,000.1st $180,000, 2nd $60,000, 3rd $30,000, 4th $15,000, 5th $6,000, 6th $3,000, 7th $3,000, 8th $3,000 GROUP 2
Set Weights, Two-Years-Old, Colts and Geldings, Apprentices cannot claim.

Field Limit: 16 + 4 EM

NoLast 10HorseTrainerJockeyBarrierWeightPenaltyHcp Rating
11311115UNENCUMBEREDBjorn BakerTommy Berry255.5kg
22x22JABALIMick PriceDamien Oliver755.5kg
33x253CORNROWMick PriceJim Cassidy155.5kg
41x3RISEN FROM DOUBTTony McEvoyHugh Bowman355.5kg
5712AWESOME ROCKLeon CorstensMichael Rodd855.5kg
6825x71SCRATCH ME LUCKYPaul PerryBlake Shinn1055.5kg
77x14WANDJINAGai WaterhouseNash Rawiller955.5kg
82x7LOCKROYMichael, Wayne & John HawkesJames McDonald455.5kg
94x35GHIBELLINESPeter Snowden655.5kg
105EQDAAMMick PriceGlen Boss555.5kg
Race 4 - 2:10PM PARRAMATTA LEAGUES CLUB REISLING STAKES (1200 METRES)
Of $300,000.1st $180,000, 2nd $60,000, 3rd $30,000, 4th $15,000, 5th $6,000, 6th $3,000, 7th $3,000, 8th $3,000 GROUP 2
Set Weights, Two-Years-Old, Fillies, Apprentices cannot claim.

Field Limit: 16 + 4 EM

NoLast 10HorseTrainerJockeyBarrierWeightPenaltyHcp Rating
11x11EARTHQUAKEPeter Snowden955.5kg
21142xOAKLEIGH GIRLDanny J BougoureCraig Newitt655.5kg
31x11MOSSFUNMichael, Wayne & John HawkesJames McDonald1055.5kg
411x41ALPHA MISSGary NicksonJason Collett555.5kg
53x61LUCKY RAQUIEGerald RyanGlyn Schofield255.5kg
611x2MEMORIALPeter Snowden155.5kg
71CLIFTON REDDavid HayesBlake Shinn455.5kg
8232TWIRLGai WaterhouseNash Rawiller755.5kg
93MORE RADIANTMick PriceGlen Boss855.5kg
102SHEEZALADYGai WaterhouseTommy Berry355.5kg
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Race 5 - 2:45PM MCGRATH ESTATE AGENTS SKY HIGH STAKES (1900 METRES)
Of $150,000.1st $90,000, 2nd $30,000, 3rd $15,000, 4th $7,500, 5th $3,000, 6th $1,500, 7th $1,500, 8th $1,500 GROUP 3
Quality, Minimum Weight 54kg, Three-Years-Old and Upwards, Apprentices cannot claim.

Field Limit: 14 + 4 EM

NoLast 10HorseTrainerJockeyBarrierWeightPenaltyHcp Rating
1x2431200x9JULIENAS (IRE)Gai WaterhouseJim Cassidy359kg105
23x7807x523BRIGANTIN (USA)Chris WallerHugh Bowman1057.5kg102
39564x38x46LIGHTINTHENITEJohn O'SheaJames McDonald556.5kg100
42x1x3116x6PRINCE CHERI (FR)David VandykeJay Ford456.5kg100
521x1x1235xDIAMETRIC (IRE)Chris WallerBrenton Avdulla955kg97
6x142423x87LET’S MAKE ADEALNigel BlackistonGlyn Schofield854kg99
700x7245147MIDSUMMER SUN (GB)Sam KavanaghJason Collett154kg95
88x30L7x724LUNAYIR (FR)Chris WallerCraig Newitt654kg91
9x24111x755DESERT JEUNEYNigel BlackistonChad Schofield254kg90
101x21322x11ENTIRELY PLATINUM (NZ)Michael, Wayne & John HawkesCorey Brown754kg83
Race 6 - 3:20PM HYLAND RACE COLOURS AJAX STAKES (1500 METRES)
Of $175,000.1st $105,000, 2nd $35,000, 3rd $17,500, 4th $8,750, 5th $3,500, 6th $1,750, 7th $1,750, 8th $1,750 GROUP 2
Quality, Minimum Weight 53kg, Three-Years-Old and Upwards, Apprentices cannot claim.

Field Limit: 20 + 4 EM

NoLast 10HorseTrainerJockeyBarrierWeightPenaltyHcp Rating
1212x2011x1MOURO (USA)Tony McEvoyCraig Williams158kg108
27x84811315MONTONRon QuintonSam Clipperton (a)457kg106
32x81039x70RIVA DE LAGOChris WallerJim Cassidy1055.5kg103
4x4165640x5MALAVIOSteve EnglebrechtBrenton Avdulla254.5kg101
502111x11x1MESSENEMichael, Wayne & John HawkesJames McDonald954.5kg101
621x1x1235xDIAMETRIC (IRE)Chris WallerJason Collett1153kg97
712852145x8LESS IS MORE (FR)David VandykeJay Ford553kg97
81x21126x11ECUADOR (NZ)Gai WaterhouseTommy Berry853kg96
95x2261070xDANCHAI (GB)Chris WallerCraig Newitt753kg93
1024x10137x6RHYTHM TO SPARE (NZ)Michael MoroneyGlen Boss653kg93
1126x6x244x3WEARY (FR)Chris WallerGlyn Schofield353kg89
Race 7 - 4:00PM COOLMORE CLASSIC (1500 METRES)
Of $600,000.1st $360,000, 2nd $120,000, 3rd $60,000, 4th $30,000, 5th $12,000, 6th $6,000, 7th $6,000, 8th $6,000 GROUP 1
Quality, Minimum Weight 53.5kg, Three-Years-Old and Upwards, Fillies and Mares, Weight Raised 1.5kg, Apprentices cannot claim.

Field Limit: 20 + 4 EM

NoLast 10HorseTrainerJockeyBarrierWeightPenaltyHcp Rating
1x221312x11CATKINSChris WallerHugh Bowman1458kg110
211x23205x4ROYAL DESCENTChris WallerNash Rawiller1358kg110
37x738320x3DEAR DEMIClarry ConnersDamien Oliver1057.5kg109
4x070x348x2STEPS IN TIMEJoseph PrideJim Cassidy757kg108
5114x102x09ARINOSAChris WallerGlyn Schofield456kg106
61x01533x65FIRE UP FIFIRobert HeathcoteDamian Browne1256kg106
7x462x6983xHANA’S GOAL (JPN)Kazuhiro Kato1556kg106
80x60114x42SHARNEE ROSEKris LeesBrenton Avdulla155kg104
9213x2x1117SWEET IDEAGai WaterhouseTommy Berry954.5kg104
10440204x311BONARIAPat HylandTim Clark854.5kg103
111x2350x121A TIME FOR JULIAPeter G MoodyGlen Boss354kg102
123025x910x6LONGPORTDanny J BougoureJay Ford554kg102
1311x111x37WHITE SAGEJohn O'Shea1153.5kg100
141311x42REAL SURREALMichael, Wayne & John HawkesCorey Brown1653.5kg94
15x376154x24GYPSY DIAMONDJohn O'SheaKerrin McEvoy1753.5kg91
16161F2x3LUCIA VALENTINA (NZ)Kris LeesChad Schofield653.5kg91
170x40003124SCORPIO QUEENLes KellyCraig Newitt253.5kg91
Race 8 - 4:40PM RANVET STAKES (2000 METRES)
Of $500,000.1st $300,000, 2nd $100,000, 3rd $50,000, 4th $25,000, 5th $10,000, 6th $5,000, 7th $5,000, 8th $5,000 GROUP 1
Standard Weight for Age, Three-Years-Old and Upwards, Apprentices cannot claim.

Field Limit: 18 + 4 EM

NoLast 10HorseTrainerJockeyBarrierWeightPenaltyHcp Rating
13x61431x11FIORENTE (IRE)Gai WaterhouseDamien Oliver459kg118
21112x418x2IT’S A DUNDEEL (NZ)Murray BakerJames McDonald159kg117
3810240x453FORETELLER (GB)Chris WallerCraig Newitt559kg113
4x714570x63HAWKSPURChris WallerJim Cassidy859kg110
5041503x834MORIARTY (IRE)Chris WallerHugh Bowman759kg109
624x46x0x92CARLTON HOUSE (USA)Gai WaterhouseTommy Berry259kg108
7x622121x23SERTORIUSJamie Edwards & Bruce ElkingtonRyan Maloney659kg105
824x0668x11SILENT ACHIEVER (NZ)Roger JamesNash Rawiller957kg112
97143215x86GONDOKORO (NZ)Pat CareyRhys McLeod357kg101
Race 9 - 5:20PM CELLARBRATIONS PHAR LAP STAKES (1500 METRES)
Of $175,000.1st $105,000, 2nd $35,000, 3rd $17,500, 4th $8,750, 5th $3,500, 6th $1,750, 7th $1,750, 8th $1,750 GROUP 2
Set Weights, Three-Years-Old, Apprentices cannot claim.

Field Limit: 20 + 4 EM

NoLast 10HorseTrainerJockeyBarrierWeightPenaltyHcp Rating
1113x93632xEQUATORGai WaterhouseTim Clark356.5kg82
213x114WOODBINEGai WaterhouseDamien Oliver1256.5kg82
36x124144x1BEST CASE (NZ)Anthony CummingsChristian Reith1056.5kg77
422x31225x3LIBERTY’S CHOICEGai WaterhouseTommy Berry1456.5kg78
57x5121TRAITORMichael, Wayne & John HawkesBrenton Avdulla1356.5kg73
6113x26MALICEPeter Snowden1156.5kg72
7241ROCK STURDYJoseph PrideMichael Rodd156.5kg68
82211HIGH TEC (NZ)Trent Busuttin & Natalie YoungHugh Bowman256.5kg68
911x2111x68GUELPHPeter Snowden954.5kg109
10x113233x11SOLICITMathew Ellerton & Simon ZahraDamian Lane854.5kg95
111x211x0CHATEAU LAFAITEChris WallerGlen Boss754.5kg79
123x6x3x112ALL CERISEChris WallerJames McDonald454.5kg76
13311x0MARMELOChris WallerGlyn Schofield554.5kg72
1421x417DEFINEChris WallerCraig Newitt654.5kg73

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This is where Sydney Autumn starts for me, I'm quite keen to stuck into some form for these meetings, looks a nice card, we should have perfect weather and track conditions, might be a bit soft but should suit most.


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Originally posted by Fiddlesticks Fiddlesticks wrote:

This is where Sydney Autumn starts for me, I'm quite keen to stuck into some form for these meetings, looks a nice card, we should have perfect weather and track conditions, might be a bit soft but should suit most.






Yep absolutely - rock solid racing here, the ranvet field brings no pace for me which will be real interesting, the coolmore is a cracking field, a lot of chances there, getting stuck in to form as well.

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Race 1 - so much pace! Do Kencella, that's a good idea and co keep going?
Race 3 - Jabali - seconds to Earthquake and Rubick will
Do me
Race 5 - Lets Make Adeal - 3.2 lengths behind Fiorente and drops class and 3kgs!
Race 6 -Messene - Hawkes/ McDonald
Race 7 - Dear Demi - great 2nd up
Race 8 - Fiorente - winners keep on winnng
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Rosehill 22.03.2014 G1S Ratings

 

Race 1 - BACARDI MAURICE MCCARTEN STKS - 1100m - 12:20pm 

5 Kencella 2.70 (2.90)

2 Flamberge 5.60 (4.60)

6 Sante De Noche 5.60 (7.50)

3 That’s A Good Idea 6.10 (2.90)

 

Race 2 - APN OUTDOOR (BM85) - 1200m - 12:55pm 

2 Haussmann 4.50 (11.00)

3 Barbed 4.90 (5.00)

8 Casino Swoop 4.90 (6.00)

11 Charge Missile 11.10 (5.00)

 

Race 3 - THE OTHER WOMAN TODMAN STAKES - 1200m - 1:30pm 

1 Unencumbered 3.00 (3.90)

5 Awesome Rocker 4.40 (21.00)

2 Jabali 5.20 (3.90)

4 Risen From Doubt 10.70 (4.20)

 

Race 4 - P'MATTA LEAGUES REISLING STKS - 1200m - 2:10pm 

1 Earthquake 3.10 (1.80)

3 Mossfun 3.40 (4.60)

6 Memorial 10.10 (10.00)

4 Alpha Miss 11.10 (19.00)

 

Race 5 - MCGRATH AGENTS SKY HIGH STAKES - 1900m - 2:45pm 

4 Prince Cheri 3.00 (4.20)

5 Diametric 4.60 (7.00)

3 Lightinthenite 8.70 (10.00)

10 Entirely Platinum 9.60 (5.25)

 

Race 6 - HYLAND RACE COLOURS AJAX STKS - 1500m - 3:20pm 

5 Messene 2.50 (3.80)

1 Mouro 4.70 (8.50)

8 Ecuador 8.00 (3.20)

2 Monton 15.00 (16.00)

 

Race 7 - COOLMORE CLASSIC - 1500m - 4:00pm 

1 Catkins 2.50 (4.50)

11 A Time For Julia 8.80 (17.00)

2 Royal Descent 13.90 (14.00)

9 Sweet Idea 13.90 (14.00)

14 Real Surreal 13.90 (13.00)

 

Race 8 - RANVET STAKES - 2000m - 4:40pm 

1 Fiorente 2.90 (2.75)

2 It’s A Dundeel 3.20 (3.20)

5 Moriarty 9.40 (16.00)

3 Foreteller 10.30 (11.00)

8 Silent Achiever 17.70 (13.00)

 

Race 9 - CELLARBRATIONS PHAR LAP STAKES - 1500m - 5:20pm 

9 Guelph 4.50 (3.80)

5 Traitor 6.40 (5.00)

1 Equator 9.20 (21.00)

4 Liberty’s Choice 11.00 (13.00)

8 High Tec 13.20 (9.00)

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Looking forward to seeing Hi Tec.

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What was the negative with Earthquake, G1, that generated the extraordinary price of $3.10 about a last start Group One winner in mixed company dropping back to a Group Two against her own kind?
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Don't think she will be fully wound out here, also believe that Mossfun and Memorial are her only opposition in the Slipper so I guess that means this is the best field she has faced. I don't rate the boys that strongly as she easily held Jabali, and the only Awesome Rock has the scope to improve in that race.
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Ranvet: 

I'm only looking at Waller's runners on the home track and he'll have them ready to win. 

Hawkspur is the best bet at e/w odds. On the home track, Moriarty lacks the class and Foreteller surely couldn't go back to back. Which leaves me at Hawkspur to cause the boilover of the day. Has solid Turnbull form and ran through the line well behind Boban and Dundeel. Carlton House sets the race up for the backmarkers and Hawkspur will get the last look.
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Am expecting a few horses to run much better than last start this week as Rosehill is a good track to measure up horses against each other. Going with 2 picks in each race - there's a rather large amount of pending bets in my account after unloading some $$$ last nite.

R1. Flamberge / Senta de Noche.

R2. Charge Missile / Desert Wizard. Lets hope Tim Martin's old horse gets up for him. DW is the best horse in the race and is unbeaten 1st up

R3. Jabali / Unencumbered

R4. Earthquake from Memorial

R5. Prince Cheri / Lunayir

R6. Mouro / Malavio

R7. Catkins / Fire up Fifi

R8. IADD from Moriarty. $4.30 the place for Moriarty

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yeh don't be surprised if mossfun crunches earthquake here, earthquake has already had a grand final, and there was something kind spooky how mossfun attacked that line in 3 rd gear think it had another few lengths left, for mine it pings first at the 300 makes a 2 length gap to earthquake and holds it to half a length on the line,

elsewise race 1 senta de noche may have to do too much work outside that's a good idea, kencella exposed here, wont get anywhere near the lead and would have to attack 3 wide on the turn ,

Ecuador can hold off messene if it gets the lead inside him, and puts the grind on from the front at the 600 metres ( think mouro is giving these 2 about a kilo too much),

think steps in time makes the pace up front a bit to gruelling for catkins having to first push across, can see either a time for Julia or bonaria with weight pull, alley, and on upward arc nutting catkins 30 metres out,

think fiorente wins safely in text book style, reminds me of makybe diva, really starting to seperate himself from any competition, sure carlton house will be trying , but me thinks gai will have it a bunny for fiorente just like desert war was a bunny for makybe diva ( kinda thinks gais plan for carlton house is a Sydney cup, and running second in bmw)..go the dragons out to 3 from 3
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Berry and Schofield both not riding tomorrrow!
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Group 1, how do you come to that price for diametric? Personally I have no way of rating these internationals first/second up accuratel and it is really starting to grind my gears as there seem to be 3-4 every meeting!
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Originally posted by withme withme wrote:

yeh don't be surprised if mossfun crunches earthquake here, earthquake has already had a grand final, and there was something kind spooky how mossfun attacked that line in 3 rd gear think it had another few lengths left, for mine it pings first at the 300 makes a 2 length gap to earthquake and holds it to half a length on the line
 
With Mossfun's form reading "1-11" and Earthquake's form reading "1x11", I am at a loss as to why you think one has had its "Grand Final" and the other has not.  You may chose not to believe him, but Peter Snowden said Earthquake wasn't fully wound up for the Blue Diamond.
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Not convinced that Carlton House is a 2 mile horse.

Diametric does seem to be a better class import.  A bit weird though that a German Group 1 is seemingly only equivalent to a French Listed race.  Shocked  I thought we'd been adjusting the European Pattern for a long time now, so that a Group 1 means Group 1, no matter which country it is.  That's why the Derby Italiano got reduced to Group 2 in 2009.
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Group 1, how do you come to that price for diametric? Personally I have no way of rating these internationals first/second up accuratel and it is really starting to grind my gears as there seem to be 3-4 every meeting!
  
 
Hey mate, I have found my ratings can be used anywhere especially with the world wide vision and data that can be found online. I rate each of its performances in Europe and then study the fields to see what the others in those fields did subsequently.
 
When they get to Australia I try and watch all their trials, the main thing I look for here is there natural cruising speed. As long as they can keep up in those trials and not be too dour usually the form holds up ok, Diametric has trialled very very well. Of course they then have to do it on track, but usually the value means you are not risking too much for reward.
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Originally posted by Group 1 Selections Group 1 Selections wrote:

Originally posted by The Nem The Nem wrote:

Group 1, how do you come to that price for diametric? Personally I have no way of rating these internationals first/second up accuratel and it is really starting to grind my gears as there seem to be 3-4 every meeting!
  


 

Hey mate, I have found my ratings can be used anywhere especially with the world wide vision and data that can be found online. I rate each of its performances in Europe and then study the fields to see what the others in those fields did subsequently.

 

When they get to Australia I try and watch all their trials, the main thing I look for here is there natural cruising speed. As long as they can keep up in those trials and not be too dour usually the form holds up ok, Diametric has trialled very very well. Of course they then have to do it on track, but usually the value means you are not risking too much for reward.


ahh didn't know you went those lengths! I assume you don't work full time if you can do all that for all runners...unless this is your full time job in which I am very envious of you.
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yeh don't be surprised if mossfun crunches earthquake here, earthquake has already had a grand final, and there was something kind spooky how mossfun attacked that line in 3 rd gear think it had another few lengths left, for mine it pings first at the 300 makes a 2 length gap to earthquake and holds it to half a length on the line

 

With Mossfun's form reading "1-11" and Earthquake's form reading "1x11", I am at a loss as to why you think one has had its "Grand Final" and the other has not.  You may chose not to believe him, but Peter Snowden said Earthquake wasn't fully wound up for the Blue Diamond.


mr chan , I said "a grand final" and id suggest mr snowden was having some showmanship saying his horse wasn't fully wound up, to suggest he purposefully was happy to not give the filly every chance to win a major group 1 in the diamond would be fraudulent to many facets of racing, owners punters etc, remember it is a lot easier to get a horse into the blue diamond ( ie all the maidens you see in the race) than it is to get into the golden slipper,
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Campanology an interesting import in the sprint h'cap.

Although he's been running at a mile both his sire and damsire were sprinters.

Also, he has run nine times on Good to Firm ground, which is as hard as it is allowed to get in the British Isles nowadays, and only ran badly once in those.

So, you've got a pommie fast ground sprinter.  Who'd have thunk it.

Dunno how badly handicapped he is though.
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Originally posted by withme withme wrote:

Originally posted by Mr Chan Mr Chan wrote:

Originally posted by withme withme wrote:

yeh don't be surprised if mossfun crunches earthquake here, earthquake has already had a grand final, and there was something kind spooky how mossfun attacked that line in 3 rd gear think it had another few lengths left, for mine it pings first at the 300 makes a 2 length gap to earthquake and holds it to half a length on the line

 

With Mossfun's form reading "1-11" and Earthquake's form reading "1x11", I am at a loss as to why you think one has had its "Grand Final" and the other has not.  You may chose not to believe him, but Peter Snowden said Earthquake wasn't fully wound up for the Blue Diamond.


mr chan , I said "a grand final" and id suggest mr snowden was having some showmanship saying his horse wasn't fully wound up, to suggest he purposefully was happy to not give the filly every chance to win a major group 1 in the diamond would be fraudulent to many facets of racing, owners punters etc, remember it is a lot easier to get a horse into the blue diamond ( ie all the maidens you see in the race) than it is to get into the golden slipper,

I actually agree with you, with me I just think the form around Mossfun is a little more exposed over the recent few weeks and has held up quite well .Not saying the Diamond form is inferior , ie Eloping And Zululand ,Earthquake is certainly the horse not flying under the radar, but this week we will see a much clearer picture in terms of the real chances for the big one . As to which one of these fillies has gone up a cog , we will know in about 14 hours .
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I just have a real problem with this concept of a "Grand Final" when it comes to horse racing. Firstly, I would argue that most winners of a feature race win at least one race along the way. Sometimes as many as three or four. Secondly, even if horses don't win anything along the way, I really doubt that it is by design. More likely, it is just down to bad luck or running into one or two better horses on the day or unsuitably wet or hard tracks.

I mean, let's take a look in recent years at the handful of races at the Sydney autumn carnival that might qualify as "Grand Final" races and the lead-up form of the winners:

2012 Tancred: Manighar: x1311
2012 Golden Slipper: Pierro: x11
2012 AJC Derby: Ethiopia: 332
2012 Doncaster Handicap: More Joyous: x11
2012 AJC Oaks: Streama: x2152

2013 Tancred: Fiveandahalfstar: x2222
2013 Golden Slipper: Overreach: x11
2013 AJC Derby: It's A Dundeel: x411
2013 Doncaster Handicap: Sacred Falls: x552
2013 AJC Oaks: Royal Descent: 113421
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R1: Flamberge $5 - keen
R4: I feel obliged to have a small bet on Clifton Red here at odds, was too good 1st up to ignore.
R5: Primce Cheri $4 (not sure it's available) but very keen.
R6: Rhythm to Spare $19
R8: IADD, saver on hawkspur.
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R1 - Kencella
R2 - Desert Wizard 
R3 - Risen From Doubt
R4 - Earthquake
R5 - Diametric 
R6 - Messene 
R7 - Catkins 
R8 - It's A Dundeel 
R9 - Guelph

Great Day to officially kick off the Sydney Carnival
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Weary is great odds here and I reckon he will go close down on the limit. Super run on his Aus debut off a slow tempo and reckon he can figure here!

Sharnee Rose in the Coolmore purely on weights and being 3rd up, she's really come up nicely this prep and is value. Just hoping she can get a split at the right time from barrier 1.

I actually think Title in the first is value too. Hasn't won in an age but he was good last start and this race has pace galore so it's the perfect race for him to get a smother and be produced for the last crack!

As mentioned in the other thread, don't think Eqdaam is the worst 100/1 shot and was pretty good on debut after having a tough run. I think the colts are pretty even so anything could happen here IMO. Would be all over Unencumbered if it were a good 3 though.
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Pet peeve #2: Dual-acceptors

The recent rule change where you can dual accept at a meeting but must immediately scratch from one of the two events is working great

This rule, however, does not apply if, say, you accept for races on Saturday and Sunday.

Clearly, the horse is not going to run in both and even after the decision has been made to run on Saturday, there is no obligation to scratch at that point from the Sunday race! As a result, fields for a number of races, such as tomorrow's Bert Lillye Memorial, are clogged with runners who are in fact going around today. Don't bother going to the TAB's web site to see the odds for the Sunday race. All the Saturday runners are still in the market.
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