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    Posted: 04 Jun 2019 at 12:13pm
A prominent local trainer has a Dawn Approach 2yo colt, running on Monday at Ballina, He has a very high opinion of him, The colt is a heavy type too.
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Thanks for everyone's input.  Thumbs Up

In answer to comments/questions:

. agree he could get heavy topped and something to keep a close eye on
. is with Robbie Griffiths
. Robbie always does the jowl testas a matter of routine.
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Sister Dot tails can ruin an overall impression for sure, I like to imagine it is there LOL
 
His head does look better in the second photo, Second Chance, did you feel between his jowls? 
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I asked hubby to take a look, and he said “his tail could have been a bit longer” 🙄😁
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Originally posted by GAJ GAJ wrote:


He looks correct and balanced in the overall view, his head looks plane but maybe the photo?, Legs look good. Nice deep girth. Looks strong.


Agree with GAJ, also like his sloping shoulder and big rear end. Very strong all over. Built like a sprinter, look forward to seeing him race fit
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My first thought upon seeing the picture was, he looks Storm Cat-ty.  Not at all surprised to see that he has both Storm Cat and Gone West on his damside.  The head and neck set that look kind of heavy, etc.

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Who is training him?

He reminds me of a horse I bought (but by New Approach) who also had a similar dam line. We gelded him too late, he was very top heavy, and we ended up with knee problems throughout his career. He was talented but unsound. I liked this one at the sales but he made too much for me - good luck with him!
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Nice little fella SC, I like him fwiw.
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Thanks GAJ.  Here's an earlier tubbier, maybe better headed pic for comparison.  

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He looks correct and balanced in the overall view, his head looks plane but maybe the photo?, Legs look good. Nice deep girth. Looks strong.
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Cheers Furious.  Believe some trainers are making a mistake with him here, trying to get his stock up too quick.Even so he is/was still among the Top 10 1st and 2nd season sires.

His own best performances were Gp 1 wins in the Dewhurst over 1400m as a late 2yo and the 2000 Gns over 1600m as a 3yo.  His own sire was an Epsom Derby winner, his brother a Gp 2 winner over 1400m, and his two cousins were a Gp 3 winner over 1400m and a Listed place-getter over 2000m.  That speaks volumes imo.

I'll be trying to convince the trainer not to go too hard with him as he'll arguably be a Spring or Autumn 3yo over the 1400-1600 range.  Not that Robbie listens to much I suggest over the 30 years we've been associated.  CryEmbarrassed

But back to photos that can sometimes lie, or not.  What do people think on face value?
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Got a love a grey.  Loved the sire from Royal Ascot on our Black Caviar trip and he's having a really good (if unlucky) week in England.  But wish he'd do a bit more here.  Maybe this boy can buck the trend.
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We've taken a share in the following yearling.  Any comments welcome.

 

GREY COLT (AUS)

 

Foaled 29th August 2017

SireNew ApproachGalileoSadler's Wells
DAWN APPROACH (IRE) Park ExpressAhonoora
2010Hymn of the DawnPhone TrickClever Trick
  Colonial DebutPleasant Colony
DamShamardalGiant's CausewayStorm Cat
DISTANT DREAMS (AUS) HelsinkiMachiavellian
2009Miss ChaskiGone WestMr. Prospector
  ZelandaNight Shift

DAWN APPROACH (IRE) (Chestnut 2010-Stud Ire. 2014, Aust. 2014). 8 wins-6 at 2, The Two Thousand Guineas, Gr.1. Sire of 183 rnrs, 65 wnrs, inc. SW Madhmoon (Leopardstown Champions Juvenile S., Gr.2), Musis Amica, Second Generation, Haddaf, Mary Tudor, SP Bold Approach, Court House, Dawn Delivers, Fajjaj, etc. His oldest Aust.-bred progeny are 3YOs and inc SP Alyaasaat, Dawn Patrol, Gongs, Dawn Passage, Tahitian Dancer and of Condemned, Approach Discreet, Fairedu, Inflammable, Light My Day, etc.

 

1st dam

DISTANT DREAMS, by Shamardal. 7 wins from 1200m to 1600m, A$150,285, MVRC Sportingbet William Hill H., MRC Fisher & Paykel H., 2d MRC Isuzu Trucks H., 3d Ballarat TC Beyondblue H., MRC (Mornington) Car & Tyre Services H. Half-sister to DEJA BLUETriple Gold. This is her first foal.

 

2nd dam

MISS CHASKI, by Gone West. Winner at 2, 2d Newmarket Drink VK 2YO Fillies S. Sister to PEARL GREY, three-quarter-sister to TIME PRISONERChatham Islands (dam of BALTY BOYS), half-sister to ZENNOR. Dam of 7 named foals, all raced, 5 winners, inc:-

DEJA BLUE (Denman). 7 wins-1 at 2-to 1400m, A$294,725, to 2017-18, Geelong RC Rosemont Stud S., L, VRC Meadow Mist H., MVRC Fisher & Paykel H., MRC Le Pine Funerals H., Blue Star Group H., 2d MRC Le Pine Funerals H., Ladbrokes Odds Boost H., 3d TRC Bow Mistress S., Gr.3, MRC Catanach's Jewellers H.

Triple Gold (Teofilo). 2 wins at 1600m, 1750m, A$113,865, 2d VRC Taj Rossi Series Final H., L, MRC Bert Bryant H., Le Pine Funerals H., SAJC Book Fiesta Raceday H.

Distant Dreams. 7 wins. See above.

Conch. 9 wins from 1100m to 2000m, A$112,880 in Aust. Producer.

Racorza. Winner at 1400m in 2018-19 in Aust.

 

3rd dam

ZELANDA, by Night Shift. 4 wins-1 at 2-at 5f, 6f, Pontefract Flying Fillies S., L, Newmarket Bunbury S., Baileys' Irish Cream Liqueur S. Half-sister to EMILY BRONTE (dam of EARNSHAWLOCKWOOD). Dam of 10 foals, all raced, 7 winners, inc:-

TIME PRISONER (Elusive Quality). 6 wins from 1100m to 1600m, €107,600, 778,040Dhs in France and U.A.E, Maisons-Laffitte Prix de Ris-Orangis, Gr.3, Meydan Dubal Trophy, Longines Saint Imier Collection H., Saint-Cloud Prix Tarentelle, Maisons-Laffitte Prix le Pacha, 2d Maisons-Laffitte Prix Crystal Palace, Prix Mordant, 3d Meydan Dubai Duty Free H., Maisons-Laffitte Prix Dagor, 4th Meydan Mahab Al Shimaal S., Gr.3.

PEARL GREY (Gone West). 2 wins at 2, Newmarket Empress S., L, 2d Newmarket Cherry Hinton S., Gr.2, Ascot October S., L, 3d Chester Henry Gee S., L, Goodwood DeNovo 2YO S. Producer.

ZENNOR (Medaglia d'Oro). 5 wins from 1m to 9f, US$300,996, Saratoga Lure S., L, Keeneland Allowance.

Silver Seeker. 7 wins-1 at 2-from 6f to 2½m, Newmarket NGK Spark Plugs 2YO S.

Chatham Islands. Winner at 2, 2d Newbury Incentive Leisure Group Nursery H. Dam of-

BALTY BOYS (Cape Cross). 7 wins-1 at 2-from 6f to 9f, £222,084, Haydock Superior Mile, Gr.3, Newmarket Makfi Suffolk S., 32redsport.com H., Epsom Weatherbys Hamilton Insurance H., Newbury Irish Stallion Farms 2YO S., 2d Haydock Superior Mile, Gr.3, Ascot Gigaset International S., Haydock Racing Welfare H., Chester Aejis H., 3d Newmarket King Charles II S., L, Tattersalls Millions 2YO S., 4th Newmarket Middle Park S., Gr.1.




Dawn Approach X Distant Dreams Colt 
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Originally posted by Second Chance Second Chance wrote:

How about a photo of the Fiorente youngster too GAJ? Smile
 
Another rainy day in paradise, managed to get a comb through his mane for the picture Smile
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Originally posted by Second Chance Second Chance wrote:

How about a photo of the Fiorente youngster too GAJ? Smile
 
Will try for on of those too, he is at that not so pretty age, gangly and hairy, but I'm sure you'll see past that. Smile
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Originally posted by Gay3 Gay3 wrote:

Crikey!!!! Only 2yo 😲 She looks like a real scopey stayer to me with all that length underneath Big smile Well bought - at this stage Clap
 
Hope so Gay3, we took her to our track this morning for the first time, I think she is a filly that can take some work!!
 
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Crikey!!!! Only 2yo 😲 She looks like a real scopey stayer to me with all that length underneath Big smile Well bought - at this stage Clap
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How about a photo of the Fiorente youngster too GAJ? Smile
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Originally posted by Sister Dot Sister Dot wrote:

She looks to have a powerful motor
Thank you,
I'll try for a more honest picture of her soon, she is actually more impressive in the front in real life!!
But we can work on the motor  Wink
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She looks to have a powerful motor
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Originally posted by GAJ GAJ wrote:

The Lean mean strapper is my partner Big smile  

Thought so.  Wink
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BTW her hooves are super, don't think she has missed out on anything in her life Smile
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I hope you are right SC, I would like to think she will take the traits from the dam line, the previous stables hopes for her was to be a 1200 - 1400m Horse? So they thought she wouldn't cut it at that in Sydney. The mare line I would have thought would dictate the aptitude. Hopefully...
She is quite heavy in the forehand moving, but time and work should help her balance. But she is young.
 
 
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Yeah not a great photo GAJ, but my first impression be it right or wrong is that she appears to have thrown to the dam's bottom line rather than the "miler" profile of her top 75%.Though a  new photo might well suggest otherwise.

ps who's that scrawny strapper?
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Will try for a better photo on the weekend, but this is our new 2yo filly. 'Rahaan'
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Wayne Turner, Geelong
Wish I could get my horses to him, but out of our reach.
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Wayne Turner is in VIctoria, and he’s a master craftsman. If this horse found Wayne, he might have a bright future
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I had a horse who had feet that made this colt's look like a greek statue.  Thin, white walls on three of four, low heels, stone bruises every other week, total mess all around.

Once he got a SKILLED farrier working on him, he grew about 2cm of heel all around and had feet good enough to ride on dry, hard ground barefoot...in only about 6 months!  The key turned out to be really frequent maintenance, every two weeks at most.  When his farrier went to catch other horses in the paddock for work, he'd whip out a rasp and fix something on my gelding right then and there.  My gelding adored the farrier, he would stand perfectly still in a field with no halter or rope and let the farrier work.

I'd start with getting x-rays of all four so you see what you're working with, then get the best farrier you can to use those x-rays for a shoeing program.  
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