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    Posted: 07 Jan 2019 at 3:07pm
Not every day will you find something quite like this browsing the studbook - this unraced “stallion” covered 4 mares this year - 3 of them are his half sisters. I struggle to believe the studbook would accept something like this.
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Thats crazy !  The breeders must be nuts !!  And thats how we get badly conformed and poor temprement in horses who end up at the knackery because they are useless.
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UNCLE MO (USA)
b. 2008
INDIAN CHARLIE (USA)
b. 1995
IN EXCESS (IRE)
br. 1987
SIBERIAN EXPRESS (USA)
gr. 1981
CARO (IRE)gr. 1967 [IC]
INDIAN CALL (USA)dkb/br. 1966
KANTADO (IRE)
b. 1976
SAULINGO (GB)br. 1970
VI (GB)ch. 1960
SOVIET SOJOURN (USA)
b. 1989
LEO CASTELLI (USA)
b. 1984
SOVEREIGN DANCER (USA)b. 1975
SUSPICIOUS NATIVE (USA)ch. 1972
POLITICAL PARFAIT (USA)
dkb/br. 1984
DIPLOMAT WAY (USA)b. 1964
PEACH BUTTER (USA)b. 1977
PLAYA MAYA (USA)
dkb/br. 2000
ARCH (USA)
dkb/br. 1995
KRIS S (USA)
blk/br. 1977
ROBERTO (USA)b. 1969 [C]
SHARP QUEEN (USA)b. 1965
AURORA (USA)
b. 1988
DANZIG (USA)b. 1977 [IC]
ALTHEA (USA)ch. 1981
DIXIE SLIPPERS (USA)
dkb/br. 1995
DIXIELAND BAND (USA)
b. 1980
NORTHERN DANCER (CAN) b. 1961 [BC]
MISSISSIPPI MUD (USA)b. 1973
CYANE'S SLIPPERS (USA)
dkb/br. 1983
CYANE (USA)b. 1959
HOT SLIPPERS (USA)b. 1974
SPIRITED AND SEXY (AUS)
gr. 2001
KING IVOR (AUS)
b. 1993
FAIRY KING (USA)
b. 1982
NORTHERN DANCER (CAN)
b. 1961 [BC]
 NEARCTIC (CAN)br. 1954
NATALMA (USA)b. 1957 *
FAIRY BRIDGE (USA)*
b. 1975
BOLD REASON (USA)b. 1968
SPECIAL (USA)b. 1969 *
ROYALIVOR (USA)
dkb/br. 1981
SIR IVOR (USA)
b. 1965 [IC]
SIR GAYLORD (USA)br. 1959 [IC]
ATTICA (USA)ch. 1953 *
ROYAL HONOREE (USA)
dkb/br. 1973
ROUND TABLE (USA)b. 1954 [S]
MATRIARCH (USA)dkb/br. 1964 *
ENDEARING (IRE)
gr. 1985
RUNNETT (GB)
b. 1977
MUMMYS PET (GB)
br. 1968
SING SING (GB)br. 1957
MONEY FOR NOTHING (GB)br. 1962
RENNET (GB)
b. 1963
KINGS BENCH (GB)b. 1949
EMULSION (GB)b. 1949
SHALARA (IRE)
gr. 1977
DANCER'S IMAGE (USA)
gr. 1965
NATIVE DANCER (USA)gr. 1950 [IC]
NOORS IMAGE (USA)b. 1953
SHAARA (FR)
b. 1972
SANCTUS (FR)b. 1960
SHIRAZA (GB)b. 1966

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Originally posted by acacia alba acacia alba wrote:

Thats crazy !  The breeders must be nuts !!  And thats how we get badly conformed and poor temprement in horses who end up at the knackery because they are useless.

I totally and utterly disagree.

If there was a full sister to Sea The Stars who was just as sound and talented I would love to see them mated together.


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In this case, I wonder if Thunder Fire jumped a fence ? 
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Unnamed  
Sea the Stars (IRE)
Bay 2006
Cape Cross
Bay or brown 1994
Green Desert
Bay 1983
Danzig
Bay 1977
Northern Dancer
Pas de Nom
1961
1968
2-d
7-a
Foreign Courier
Bay 1979
Sir Ivor
Courtly Dee
1965
1968
8-g
A4
Park Appeal
Bay or brown 1982
Ahonoora
Chestnut 1975
Lorenzaccio
Helen Nichols
1965
1966
5-h
1-m
Balidaress
Grey 1973
Balidar
Innocence
1966
1968
8-d
14-c
Urban Sea
Chestnut 1989
Miswaki
Chestnut 1978
Mr Prospector
Bay 1970
Raise a Native
Gold Digger
1961
1962
8-f
13-c
Hopespringseternal
Chestnut 1971
Buckpasser
Rose Bower
1963
1958
1-s
16-g
Allegretta
Chestnut 1978
Lombard
Chestnut 1967
Agio
Promised Lady
1955
1961
9-h
1-d
Anatevka
Chestnut 1969
Espresso
Almyra
1958
1962
7-a
9-h
Cherry Hinton (GB)
Bay 2004
Green Desert
Bay 1983
Danzig
Bay 1977
Northern Dancer
Bay 1961
Nearctic
Natalma
1954
1957
14-c
2-d
Pas de Nom
Bay or brown 1968
Admiral's Voyage
Petitioner
1959
1952
4-n
7-a
Foreign Courier
Bay 1979
Sir Ivor
Bay 1965
Sir Gaylord
Attica
1959
1953
2-s
8-g
Courtly Dee
Bay or brown 1968
Never Bend
Tulle
1960
1950
19-b
A4
Urban Sea
Chestnut 1989
Miswaki
Chestnut 1978
Mr Prospector
Bay 1970
Raise a Native
Gold Digger
1961
1962
8-f
13-c
Hopespringseternal
Chestnut 1971
Buckpasser
Rose Bower
1963
1958
1-s
16-g
Allegretta
Chestnut 1978
Lombard
Chestnut 1967
Agio
Promised Lady
1955
1961
9-h
1-d
Anatevka
Chestnut 1969
Espresso
Almyra
1958
1962
7-a
9-h
 Ancestor duplications:Green Desert3m x 2f Urban Sea2m x 2f
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Unnamed  
Sea the Stars (IRE)
Bay 2006
Cape Cross
Bay or brown 1994
Green Desert
Bay 1983
Danzig
Bay 1977
Northern Dancer
Pas de Nom
1961
1968
2-d
7-a
Foreign Courier
Bay 1979
Sir Ivor
Courtly Dee
1965
1968
8-g
A4
Park Appeal
Bay or brown 1982
Ahonoora
Chestnut 1975
Lorenzaccio
Helen Nichols
1965
1966
5-h
1-m
Balidaress
Grey 1973
Balidar
Innocence
1966
1968
8-d
14-c
Urban Sea
Chestnut 1989
Miswaki
Chestnut 1978
Mr Prospector
Bay 1970
Raise a Native
Gold Digger
1961
1962
8-f
13-c
Hopespringseternal
Chestnut 1971
Buckpasser
Rose Bower
1963
1958
1-s
16-g
Allegretta
Chestnut 1978
Lombard
Chestnut 1967
Agio
Promised Lady
1955
1961
9-h
1-d
Anatevka
Chestnut 1969
Espresso
Almyra
1958
1962
7-a
9-h
Bracelet (IRE)
Bay 2011
Montjeu
Bay 1996
Sadler's Wells
Bay 1981
Northern Dancer
Bay 1961
Nearctic
Natalma
1954
1957
14-c
2-d
Fairy Bridge
Bay 1975
Bold Reason
Special
1968
1969
19-b
5-h
Floripedes
Bay 1985
Top Ville
Bay 1976
High Top
Sega Ville
1969
1968
11-a
8-i
Toute Cy
Bay 1979
Tennyson
Adele Toumignon
1970
1971
1-t
1-u
Cherry Hinton
Bay 2004
Green Desert
Bay 1983
Danzig
Bay 1977
Northern Dancer
Pas de Nom
1961
1968
2-d
7-a
Foreign Courier
Bay 1979
Sir Ivor
Courtly Dee
1965
1968
8-g
A4
Urban Sea
Chestnut 1989
Miswaki
Chestnut 1978
Mr Prospector
Hopespringseternal
1970
1971
13-c
16-g
Allegretta
Chestnut 1978
Lombard
Anatevka
1967
1969
1-d
9-h
 Ancestor duplications:Northern Dancer5m x 4m,5m Green Desert3m x 3f Urban Sea2m x 3f
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Are those pretend matings?
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For Heavens' sake djebel, could you occasionally talk sense & when comparing, compare apples with apples?
Urban Sea, Sea The Stars were elite racehorses, this horse is as far away from that as one can get & yes, I'm reliably told these were intentional matings Angry
As acacia said, no wonder too many TBs end up one one way trips at an early age Angry
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Too many thoroughbred end up at the knackery, How the hell does that come back to these types of matings.

This type of mating probably represents 4 in about 13,000 matings if that.........


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In racing, 'rubbish' to 'rubbish' rarely results in even a picnic race winner. djebel, what is so appealing to you about these matings?
If you were after a bite, you got one!
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I do not find anything appealing about these matings but I find them a whole lot more facinating than if they were completely unrelated to each other and of the same class of stock. 


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I’ve seen a few of these stories lately, like the woman on the island who bred The wiz with his own daughters.

Or a horse currently racing, Raid The Cabinet, jumped the fence and had a go at his mother.
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OMG that crazy lady on the island Wacko  Djebel, you ever seen children born of incest ? 

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Hello,
I think I have seen thoroughbreds in Europe with this Close inbreeding  to "Urban Sea", not only by
Sea the Stars.
 
As remainder last years English Derby winner Masar is 3x4 Urban Sea + Ahoonora 3x4.
 
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We’re talking 2x2 here Ticino
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Have a look at this one.....

Precious Tatt (AUS) 2003
 Life Number: AUS00858742bay mareDate of Birth: 23/09/2003 
 Microchip Number: 985100010775543DNA Typed: Y 
 by The Wiz (AUS) 1999Contact: Mrs ME Galpin-Fraser, Vic 
 from Fashion Tatt (AUS) 1998 
 bred by Mrs ME Galpin-Fraser, Vic

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Service Date
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201706/09/2016The Wiz (AUS)missed
201606/09/2015The Wiz (AUS)missed
201529/05/2015The Wiz (AUS)slipped - pending certification certification of paternity being submitted by the Stallion Proprietor">
201408/09bcolt31/05/2014The Wiz (AUS)foal died after birth
201331/05/2013The Wiz (AUS)slipped
201202/01br or blkcolt01/09/2011The Wiz (AUS)foal died after birth
201114/11chcolt01/09/2010The Wiz (AUS)parentage verified
201024/11bcolt01/09/2009The Wiz (AUS)foal died after birth
200927/10chfilly01/09/2008The Wiz (AUS)foal died after birth
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Still trying to understand this....bizarre


(AUS) 2011
 Life Number: AUS01038171chestnut stallionDate of Birth: 14/11/2011 
 Microchip Number: 985100012007950DNA Typed: Y 
 by The Wiz (AUS) 1999 
 from Precious Tatt (AUS) 2003 
 bred by Mrs ME Galpin-Fraser, Vic 
Official Australian Stud Book Pedigree
Sir Tatton (AUS) 1984
Sir Tristram (IRE) 1971
Great-Grandaughter (GB) 1974
The Wiz (AUS) 1999
Foal ref: 41:61
Annegret Miss (AUS) 1989
Habituate (IRE) 1976
Barega Joy (AUS) 1984
(AUS) 2011
Foal ref: 43:1110
The Wiz (AUS) 1999
Sir Tatton (AUS) 1984
Annegret Miss (AUS) 1989
Precious Tatt (AUS) 2003
Foal ref: 42:1759
Fashion Tatt (AUS) 1998
Sir Tatton (AUS) 1984
Fashionette (NZ) 1982
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Be interesting to see those shockingly inbred horses in the flesh, Shawey.  Cripes that last one, born 2011, now thats sickCensoredThey would be like that family they found in the bush here in NSW . Parents, their children, and their children, all sleeping with each other. Most of them were so bad they couldnt even talk or walk properly. Poor horse would be the same. Imagine whats going to happen to the poor animal . She will no doubt have had it served by The Wiz ??Shocked And poor Precious Tatt.  4 dead foals, 2 slips and 2 misses ( thank heavens ), If she slipped in 2015 why is a certificate of parentage being submitted  ???  Confused One colt foal in 2011,,wonder whats happened to him . Poor mare.

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We once had a cat that gave birth to two kittens sired by her son. One was born dead, the other was born with elbows where it should have had knees. We drowned it. I wonder how many of those 'died after birth' foals died of natural causes or if they were put down due to deformities.
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Deary me! Drowning is the easy way for humans to disassociate or depersonalise from the act which takes minutes of gasping for air to fill lungs & cease life.
Very much harder on us is an instant end to life with a heavy blow to the head when there's no alternative.
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Totally going off topic, but back when I was a youngster I can remember Mum had to kill a chook who was losing her feathers and being attacked by the other chooks. Took her head off with an axe.
Can still image the headless girl running around the yard for a few minutes afterwards.
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All the old hands killed their chooks that way.   The thing is you have to hold their legs as you chop the head, so they dont go running around the yard headless.  I saw it happen once when my Uncle , who didnt have a clue about these things, let it happen.  My Dad was horrified, as he always did his own chooks but would never have let that happen.
Anyway, thats off topic, as you say.
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An old country saying I had forgotten:    " Like a headless chook "     very erratic !
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The owner of the Wiz, is currently under rspca investigation isn't she, at Mt Eliza????
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Yes, it's in one of the relevant threads, maybe Bulla horses?
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About time, too.   How long are these nutters allowed to go on breeding horses only fit to send to the doggers before animal welfare steps in ??  
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Originally posted by Gay3 Gay3 wrote:

Yes, it's in one of the relevant threads, maybe Bulla horses?
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