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whether its build a wall or stop the boats, is the "host" country wanting to take back control.

And what is wrong with that?

The european countries are now looking to implement Australias stance on boats.

Is a safe way of control.

What would china do pt? want an answer pt, not a question with a question. something along the lines of their control of the uyghurs?
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Originally posted by Tlazolteotl Tlazolteotl wrote:

When is Trumpet going to get his wall? I want to see it finished. I'm curious.Tongue

I can't begrudge a country wanting to have effective border control. Here I must part ways with my fellow traveller, PT- comradeHandshake- who is an open borders man.Wacko

Whether you support strong border control or not, holding thousands of kids hostage in cages after forcibly removing them from their mothers for seeking asylum, to get his wall funding(letting Mexico off the hook from paying for it)is appalling. 

All living First Ladies, including the current one have spoken out about it, along with church leaders Republicans and Democrats.

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What is the Trumpian/Breitbart/Fox rationale for the new policy- Obama also used the cages on a much smaller scale- of separation?
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The legislation is in place to keep children out of adult prisons, so kids of people held on serious crime are put into care and/or reunited with other family. It applied to 10-20% of the people held. 

What is different now is that Sessions/Trump/Miller have decided that as a strategy as they failed with DACA, that they can deem 100% of people crossing the border as criminals till otherwise proven and their children removed forcibly.  

This will be a big issue and gutless Republicans are being forced to pay attention to Trump's behavior. The WH press conference this morning was a trainwreck with them postponing it till they could fly in Kirstjen Nielsen(Homeland Security) to front it. I would say Sanders refused after being savaged over this on Friday. Nielsen lied and just quoted her talking points, looking very uncomfortable.  

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Melania is not really being fairdinkum- "both sides of the aisle" ... not.
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To be fair, she is also being held hostage, along with her parents.
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Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

To be fair, she is also being held hostage, along with her parents.


Yes but being the genius that she is I am sure she can find a solution.
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If only she could escape, she might visit Mr Mueller.
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Great news Doc:

Peter Strzok's attorney said he would be willing to testify without immunity and without invoking the 5th Amendment before the House Judiciary Committee and any other congressional committee.

No need for him to testify CNNPT, he will only lie! ... he's not required, especially now that they have found the self explanatory text messages that he, Comey and the FBI were trying to hide.Embarrassed 

... besides, all he is going to be able to tell them is that he was biased in favour of Hillary, and thus gave her a free ride on the emails, and that he was biased against Trump to the point of corruption, and complicit with Comey, etc in trying to create a smoke screen for Hillary, with the fantasy "RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA!" witch hunt. ... oh, he may also reveal if he scored a root or not ... which he is most likely going to lie about as well!Dead
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Originally posted by Tlazolteotl Tlazolteotl wrote:

When is Trumpet going to get his wall? I want to see it finished. I'm curious.Tongue

I can't begrudge a country wanting to have effective border control. Here I must part ways with my fellow traveller, PT- comradeHandshake- who is an open borders man.Wacko

Haven't you heard ... construction has been postponed, until after the 2026 World Cup ... and Mexico will pay!Big smile
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Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

Originally posted by Tlazolteotl Tlazolteotl wrote:

When is Trumpet going to get his wall? I want to see it finished. I'm curious.Tongue

I can't begrudge a country wanting to have effective border control. Here I must part ways with my fellow traveller, PT- comradeHandshake- who is an open borders man.Wacko

Whether you support strong border control or not, holding thousands of kids hostage in cages after forcibly removing them from their mothers for seeking asylum, to get his wall funding(letting Mexico off the hook from paying for it)is appalling. 

All living First Ladies, including the current one have spoken out about it, along with church leaders Republicans and Democrats.


Do you suggest billeting them with say, ANTIFA and BLM thugs CNNPT, or some other "progressive" supporters? ... maybe they could just be placed directly with relatives in MS-13 gangs? ... that would save time!Big smile

If mum was not a criminal, they wouldn't need to be detained at all.

Here's an idea ...

Naru and Manus have plenty of room for children, since the LNP Government did what the ALP Social Justice Warriors failed to do, and removed them.Embarrassed
In reference to every post in the Trump thread ... "There may have been a tiny bit of license taken there" ... Ok, Thanks for the "heads up" PT!
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Continue to leave them with their parents, unless their parents were arrested for an actual indictable crime, not for simply seeking asylum, which is not a crime at all.......simples

Nauru and Manus Island are also cruel immoral abominations, designed to kill innocent people as a deterrent to others to come, you know like they used to do, crucify people and hang them up outside city gates to frighten people not to dissent. Trump probably got the idea from Turnbull. 
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Nauru and Manus Island provided safe areas for the people fleeing for their lives .       Acceptable living conditions for their own people so should have been welcomed by the Boat People .

Very false pictures painted of that situation.

Who is supposed to decide on who migrates .. Our Government or the People Smugglers.?
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Do you believe in coincidence? Of all the postal mail management services in the State of Florida, Michael Caputo and the Russian who goes by 4 names share a common PO box number. They were also members of the same club in Moscow when Caputo lived there for 5 years and mixed with the same Russian crims. Who woulda guessed that? 

Sounds like Caputo and his Russian crook mate were doing a number on Trump for $2m Only questions are, was his long time mate Roger in on it or was he just on a commission from the Russians? Both lied to Congress, Caputo also to Mueller. They both want their records changed after they miraculously recovered their memories. Roger Out methinks 

Roger Stone, Michael Caputo say they were targets of US setup involving Russian national

Longtime Trump confidant Roger Stone and Trump campaign aide Michael Caputo claim to have been targeted in a setup by U.S. law enforcement during the 2016 campaign to pin then-candidate Donald Trump.

In a Washington Post report Sunday, Stone claims that he met with a man in May 2016 who offered dirt on Trump's 2016 rival, Hillary Clinton. However, the man, who identified himself as Henry Greenberg, said he wanted Trump to pay $2 million for the damaging information and therefore was shut down, according to Stone.

Stone recalled telling the man that he didn't understand Trump, a wealthy New York real estate businessman. “He doesn’t pay for anything," Stone claims to have said to the man at a restaurant in Florida. more...

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/roger-stone-michael-caputo-say-they-were-targets-of-us-setup-involving-russian-national

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PT..     I have friends who are strong believers of open borders throughout the world .      I don't discuss such matters with them for obvious reasons .
   So I ask :-      What would happen if this were made the way of the world .
   Anyone can move to anywhere they choose.
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Same as what happens in Europe with open borders I would expect. People move when they are in distress and most go home when the problem passes, as will happen with Syria. The vast majority identify with their home no matter what it looks like and are content to stay put.


This is interesting. despite all those evil migrants flooding Germany

Germany records lowest crime rate since 1992

Country saw a rise in left-wing violence in 2017, largely due to riots at G20 summit in Hamburg.

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5/8/18, 1:11 PM CET

 

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Germany saw a rise in violent crimes perpetrated by the political left and a drop in attacks on asylum centers in 2017, according to the latest crime statistics released by the interior ministry Tuesday.

The new figures show a drop in crime of 5.1 percent over the previous year, with 5.76 million crimes reported.

http://www.politico.eu/article/germany-crime-rate-lowest-since-1992/

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Meanwhile in an altered universal reality far far away

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Trump and Culture in the same sentence must be right up there in terms of Classic Oxymorons. Ermm
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Well if not in the same sentence per se then certainly in the same attributed tweet.  Dead
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A lot has changed on 6 months.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-42557828
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Originally posted by stayer stayer wrote:

A lot has changed on 6 months.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-42557828


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Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

Continue to leave them with their parents, unless their parents were arrested for an actual indictable crime, not for simply seeking asylum, which is not a crime at all.......simples

Nauru and Manus Island are also cruel immoral abominations, designed to kill innocent people as a deterrent to others to come, you know like they used to do, crucify people and hang them up outside city gates to frighten people not to dissent. Trump probably got the idea from Turnbull. 

Now you have flipped!Wacko

Still don't care to recognise an "economic" refugee, when you see one?Embarrassed 

You can spot them pretty easily ... they live a wonderful life of endless holidays on idyllic tropical islands at the cost of Australian Taxpayers, with the lying virtue signalers encouraging them "... don't worry, just hang in there, Bullgelati Bill will fix everything as soon as he's elected!" ... alternately they can be found in "sanctuary cities" in sunny California, lapping up the lifestyle and stealing welfare from US tax payers ... they are the ones with all the latest technology and the shiny bling ... how quickly the Marxists like to rewrite history ... how can you forget these guys, they were the face of "GetUpset", until their holiday selfies materialised on social media.... find another cause you unhinged SJW, you do know there are black babies being raped to death in Australia, don't you? ... oh that's right, black on black violence is not a concern of the left ...


In reference to every post in the Trump thread ... "There may have been a tiny bit of license taken there" ... Ok, Thanks for the "heads up" PT!
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Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

Same as what happens in Europe with open borders I would expect. People move when they are in distress and most go home when the problem passes, as will happen with Syria. The vast majority identify with their home no matter what it looks like and are content to stay put.


This is interesting. despite all those evil migrants flooding Germany

Germany records lowest crime rate since 1992

Country saw a rise in left-wing violence in 2017, largely due to riots at G20 summit in Hamburg.

By ESTHER KING

5/8/18, 1:11 PM CET

 

Updated 

Germany saw a rise in violent crimes perpetrated by the political left and a drop in attacks on asylum centers in 2017, according to the latest crime statistics released by the interior ministry Tuesday.

The new figures show a drop in crime of 5.1 percent over the previous year, with 5.76 million crimes reported.

http://www.politico.eu/article/germany-crime-rate-lowest-since-1992/

Did you have your fingers, toes and eyes crossed when you imagined THAT!??Clown

Very funny!Big smile

LOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOL
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Didn't mention the no go zones, the Islamic Ghettos, the rape culture, etc ... all good though!WinkThumbs Up
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Ignorance.
You sure aren't good at this. I used the adjective I was wanting to. Thanks for losing - again. When do you get your Whale nic back?
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Hundreds of members at Sessions's church write formal complaint over immigration policy

BY BROOKE SEIPEL - 06/19/18 07:21 AM EDT

More than 600 members of the United Methodist Church signed on to a letter Monday condemning Attorney General Jeff Sessions for the Trump administration's policy of separating migrant parents and children at the U.S. border. 

In the letter, the group of churchgoers, including clergy and church leadership, accuse Sessions of child abuse, immorality, racial discrimination and dissemination of doctrines contrary to the standards of the doctrine of the United Methodist Church.

They note in the letter that Sessions is a member of Ashland Place United Methodist Church, in Mobile, Ala. 

"While other individuals and areas of the federal government are implicated in each of these examples, Mr. Sessions — as a long-term United Methodist in a tremendously powerful, public position — is particularly accountable to us, his church," the letter reads. "He is ours, and we are his. As his denomination, we have an ethical obligation to speak boldly when one of our members is engaged in causing significant harm in matters contrary to the Discipline on the global stage."

The letter comes as President Trump and his administration face backlash over its policy to separate migrant families.

Sessions announced the "zero tolerance" policy earlier this year, saying the Department of Justice would criminally prosecute all adults attempting to illegally cross the southern border into the U.S. As a result, families who crossed together would in some cases be separated, he said.

Trump has repeatedly blamed Democrats for the policy, and administration officials have asserted that only Congress can fix the issue by passing immigration reform.  

Members of Congress have introduced legislation to end the practice of separating families, while simultaneously urging Trump to unilaterally stop the separations.


http://thehill.com/homenews/news/392928-hundreds-of-members-of-sessionss-church-write-formal-complaint-over-separation

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To summarise- overall crime in Germany going down but crime committed by illegal Muslim males immigrants way up. Fair summary?
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