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any reasonable person knows that any russian meddling in the election isnt a drop of piddle compared to what the usa has done over the past few decades.

its quite laughable actually. but ideological obsession blinds some folks...
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Mr Mueller will be busier than a one-armed wallpaper hanger.
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Why do you think he has assembled the biggest investigative team in US criminal history?

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The Facebook/Twitter stuff is only one part of the equation. It is about how it was used to specifically target a small number of states, how it was done, who commissioned them, who carried them out, how they knew who to target specifically(if you understand how Facebook works, you understand this) and whether there was political coordination.

The ads themselves there is nothing illegal
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Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

Google Search may also come under scrutiny. It is very subtle in it's search bias but a lot of work is being into it's effects on reader's choices


Very subtle? Every time I search for something relating to Australian news it puts Murdoch rags in the top 2 at least search results. It is clearly not based on the quality of the journalism, and it's usually behind a paywall anyway so no good to the average searcher even if they were interested.

I wish there was an app or something to eliminate all Murdoch from google search results.Confused
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Originally posted by Tlazolteotl Tlazolteotl wrote:

Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

Google Search may also come under scrutiny. It is very subtle in it's search bias but a lot of work is being into it's effects on reader's choices


Very subtle? Every time I search for something relating to Australian news it puts Murdoch rags in the top 2 at least search results. It is clearly not based on the quality of the journalism, and it's usually behind a paywall anyway so no good to the average searcher even if they were interested.

I wish there was an app or something to eliminate all Murdoch from google search results.Confused

That is how they do it, your Google search is different to mine or anyone else's, and is specifically tailored to you, so your regular search patterns create a search bias you are unaware is happening to you. They can turn it off and on at will, change the number of prefered parameters etc. These are the sort of things that are being investigated.

Have you noticed you google search for shoes or anything, and for the next month you see ads built into news pages or sites you regularly visit, that you had googled? 
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Why do you think he has assembled the biggest investigative team in US criminal history?
So all his mates get paid. Pretty simple lawyer 101 tactic - Open the trough wide and let all the pigs feed heavily.
 
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There will be a great gnashing of teeth at Brunswick Heads, if Trump escapes the clutches of the indefatigable Mr Mueller.
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Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

. . . Mueller is a cyber crime expert, he is focusing heavily on these companies impact as part of his brief on Russian meddling
The fox guarding the hen house.
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Was he the fox when serving multiple appointments under both Reagan and GW Bush?


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Originally posted by max manewer max manewer wrote:

There will be a great gnashing of teeth at Brunswick Heads, if Trump escapes the clutches of the indefatigable Mr Mueller.

The direction the investigation is going now, and the stage it is at suggests that he has what he requires but is now trying to make the case ''corrupt Republican proof'' Essentially investigations start on the perimeter and work their way towards the inner circle where most crime in all areas lives. They start out there are open new lines in different directions to broaden the scope. They are now onto close White House staff and the people they are focusing on suggests the obstruction case is close to being ready. That is the impeachment phase. There are many other phases going on simultaneously. 

There are many options and possible outcomes on different timelines from this point forward, but whatever corrupt deals are done, his woes are only just starting and will follow him out of the White House.

This Iran certification deal this week is a great insight for people outside to see how bad things are.

Whatever happens with Trump, Bannon is a far greater threat to stability and he has a long and grand view of himself I think he dumps Trump at some stage.
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Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

Was he the fox when serving multiple appointments under both Reagan and GW Bush?


He may have been. Maybe not under Bush. Who knows. Sounds like if he was originally wearing a sheep's clothing he had no problems changing skins during the Obama years. Comey too. Two foxes at the hen house. LOL.

All this new information definitely challenges your credibility. When are you going to realize that credibility is never realized by posting BS. Pick your heroes carefully.
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Speaking of credibility Shammy, I hope I am not still losing sleep over Trump in 20 years as you are with Bill LOL

Has Sean got anything him yet? He sure is made of Teflon. 

Hopefully the RWNJ conspiracy machine gets him soon so you can relax a bit, but then  they lose their incomes and reason for existing.

....but then there is Obama Shocked
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Poor Donny is losing it #bigly Mr Mueller is closing in.

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Trump: I never said what the congressman said

Kelly: He did say it but stuffed it up. I didn't want him to call them

John Kelly destroying his own legacy
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Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

Speaking of credibility Shammy, I hope I am not still losing sleep over Trump in 20 years as you are with Bill LOL

Has Sean got anything him yet? He sure is made of Teflon. 

Hopefully the RWNJ conspiracy machine gets him soon so you can relax a bit, but then  they lose their incomes and reason for existing.

....but then there is Obama Shocked


Still posting BS, I see. Harvey Winestein, Anthony Weiner, Ben Affleck, Bill Clinton, just to name a few, all come up when the sexual predator conversation arises. I guess we can assume with your biased posting that you favor this conduct. Bill is fair game and it's not just me who believes that the Clintons are a favored class. Comey has proven that. If Bill doesn't want to be in the conversation, he can escape it by staying out of politics. As First Lady, had Hillary prevailed, he would do in WH dressing exactly what he did previously in the oval office closet. Just not with Hillary. Bill and Hillary are current news, the last I checked.
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Shammy, didn't Jared sign up Harvey's lawyer yesterday as the Trump/Russia conspiracy investigation deepens?
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Goodness me you have Clintonmania really bad, dont you?

Glass houses and all that.LOL 
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Originally posted by max manewer max manewer wrote:

Has PT been subjecting us to a misinformation campaign ? Could be, if this bloke is right !
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"Omigosh it is true. The Russkies had absolutely swamped the Face Book with pro-Trump (and therefore of course pro-Putin) prpopaganda!

According to Facebook, the suspected “Russian-linked” accounts purchased $100,000 in ads from 2015 to 2017 (compared to Facebook’s annual revenue of about $27 billion), with only 44 percent of those ads appearing before the 2016 election and many having little or nothing to do with politics, which is curious if the Kremlin’s goal was to help elect Donald Trump and defeat Hillary Clinton.

Even former Clinton political strategist Mark Penn has acknowledged the absurdity of thinking that such piddling amounts could have any impact on a $2.4 billion presidential campaign, plus all the billions of dollars worth of free-media attention to the conventions, debates, etc. Based on what’s known about the Facebook ads, Penn calculated that “the actual electioneering [in battleground states] amounts to about $6,500.”

https://consortiumnews.com/2017/10/18/blaming-russia-for-the-internet-sewer/



Nearly $6,500!! Why, that was more than enough to allow Russia's Vile Tyrant to insert a complaint puppet who'd bring America to its knees!! "

Ooops, you might have gone off a day early here max Wink
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Shammy, didn't Jared sign up Harvey's lawyer yesterday as the Trump/Russia conspiracy investigation deepens?


Was Harvey's lawyer a sexual predator too? More BS from you. Good lawyers represent scum like Harvey all the time. Maybe Jared wants a good lawyer. Harvey is in rehab and no lawyer can help him there.

How about the revelation of a FBI informant ready to tell all about the Russian uranium deal. Bill is still in the news no matter what I think.

Be careful about what you say about General Kelly. Coming from a couch potato who has never served in the military, it sounds petty. You don't want to sound petty and embarrass your nephews, do you?
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I think it a shame that you defend Trump's behavior that puts General Kelly in a position he should never be. Trump dragged him into this with his ''ask General Kelly'' whether Obama rang him when hi son was killed. Appalling, as is your defense of him
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First one to break ranks? More to follow? 

Nikki Haley: Russian cyberinterference into US elections is 'warfare'

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Washington (CNN)US Ambassador to the United Nations Nikki Haley said Thursday that Russian cyberinterference in American elections is "warfare."

Haley was discussing Russian online interference in the 2016 election in the form of the use of fake social media accounts and the spread of misinformation while speaking alongside former secretaries of state Madeline Albright and Condoleezza Rice at a panel hosted by the George W. Bush Institute in New York City.
"When a country can come interfere in another country's elections, that is warfare," she said. "It really is because you're making sure the democracy shifts from what the people want to giving out that misinformation. And we didn't just see it here. ... They are doing this everywhere and this is their new weapon of choice."
    Earlier this summer, Haley said Russian President Vladimir Putin's denials of such interference were merely an effort to "save face."
    "Everybody knows that Russia meddled in our elections," she said in July. "Everybody knows that they're not just meddling in the United States' election. They're doing this across multiple continents, and they're doing this in a way that they're trying to cause chaos within the countries."
    During Thursday's panel, Haley said the US needs to hold Russia accountable.
    "The Russians, God bless them, they're asking why are Americans anti-Russian? And why have we done sanctions? Well don't interfere in our elections and we won't be anti-Russian," she added.
    Haley also said that both the public sector and the private sector, including Silicon Valley companies hosting fake Russian accounts on their platforms, "have to step up."
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    Hypocrisy writ large.
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    Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

    I think it a shame that you defend Trump's behavior that puts General Kelly in a position he should never be. Trump dragged him into this with his ''ask General Kelly'' whether Obama rang him when hi son was killed. Appalling, as is your defense of him


    Once again you are the pot calling the kettle black. I admire the fact that you can find something offensive when for the past 300 pages you have scavenging for filthy evidence that Trump. his family, his advisors, and his supporters are unworthy of a voice in American politics and deplorable. Trump shouldn't have involved Kelly, but your sniping was directed at Kelly. Anyone listening to Kelly at the news briefing indicates he is in full control of the circumstances. Something you are probably incapable of.   Just more BS from you.
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    Originally posted by max manewer max manewer wrote:

    Hypocrisy writ large.

    So is interference happening or not?
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    Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

    Originally posted by max manewer max manewer wrote:

    Hypocrisy writ large.


    So is interference happening or not?

    Historically, USA #1, daylight #2.
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    Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

    I think it a shame that you defend Trump's behavior that puts General Kelly in a position he should never be. Trump dragged him into this with his ''ask General Kelly'' whether Obama rang him when hi son was killed. Appalling, as is your defense of him


    Once again you are the pot calling the kettle black. I admire the fact that you can find something offensive when for the past 300 pages you have scavenging for filthy evidence that Trump. his family, his advisors, and his supporters are unworthy of a voice in American politics and deplorable. Trump shouldn't have involved Kelly, but your sniping was directed at Kelly. Anyone listening to Kelly at the news briefing indicates he is in full control of the circumstances. Something you are probably incapable of.   Just more BS from you.

    Why should he be constantly in that position? What is the point of a President that needs constant monitoring by a responsible adult? 
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    Originally posted by max manewer max manewer wrote:

    Hypocrisy writ large.


    So is interference happening or not?


    I dare say it is.

    russian interference - a bees di*ck.

    usa hypocrisy - stratospheric.

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    Originally posted by max manewer max manewer wrote:

    Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

    Originally posted by max manewer max manewer wrote:

    Hypocrisy writ large.


    So is interference happening or not?

    Historically, USA #1, daylight #2.

    For pages you and others have been claiming it a delusional conspiracy theory. 

    Ms Halley and all of the intelligence agencies say different  
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    Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

    Ms Halley and all of the intelligence agencies say different  

    Your finding credibility in Ms Haley is a recent occurrence. I don't give a bugger what she or the agencies say, SHOW US THE EVIDENCE. In its entirety.
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