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List of countries on the slippery slope Shocked


1 The Netherlands: April 1, 2001
2. Belgium: June 1, 2003

3. Spain: July 3, 2005
4. Canada: July 20, 2005

5. South Africa: November 30, 2006

6. Norway: January 1, 2009
7. Sweden: May 1, 2009

8. Portugal: June 5, 2010
9. Iceland: June 27, 2010
10. Argentina: July 22, 2010

11. Denmark: June 15,2012

12. Brazil: May 14, 2013
13. France: May 29, 2013
14. Uruguay: August 5, 2013
15. New Zealand: August 19, 2013
16. United Kingdom (England, Wales, Scotland) 2013
17. French Guiana: 2013

18. Luxembourg: June 18, 2014
19. Finland: November 28, 2014 (Note: Gay marriage will become legal in Finland from 2017 through a bill passed this year.)
12. Ireland: May 23, 2015
21. The United States (2015)
22. Greenland, an autonomous territory of Denmark (2015)

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what have been the poll results in the middle east?

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No Asian or Eastern European countries, Middle east, Africa, Oceania. Canada yet to join ?
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Could have been voted on by the people , back in February.    But NO.
    labor & Greens wouldn't allow it .    They wanted a certain yes , with enough deviate Pollies there for a yes success.

Again this time, so we go to the postal mess .   BUT .   At least the people who are interested enough will make a peoples choice.
That's better than the queer pollies doing it.
   SO VOTE NO and put the pussy among the pigeons.
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Marriage came into being as a stable social and legal platform to bring children into the world. It was never designed so people of the same gender could play footsy, without having people talk about it. I expect the "No" vote will at least run in the quinella.
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Originally posted by max manewer max manewer wrote:

Marriage came into being as a stable social and legal platform to bring children into the world. It was never designed so people of the same gender could play footsy, without having people talk about it. I expect the "No" vote will at least run in the quinella.


    be good to see NO win . Just for the blood that will be spilt by the Mardi Gras hoons.
    Good when it's over , one step closer to me not having to wear a balaclava when I visit the pig next door. ( I may be whales daddy ) I been going there for years.
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this concerns me more than  who marries who. needs to be sorted first. this has been simmering for 200 years....ssm how long?

Second Melbourne council votes to cancel Australia Day ceremony and celebrations

 is marriage all its cracked up to be any way? if its a matter of property carve up, make a will!

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Originally posted by Isaac soloman Isaac soloman wrote:

this concerns me more than  who marries who. needs to be sorted first. this has been simmering for 200 years....ssm how long?<h1 ="__line" itemprop="line" style="margin-right: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font-size: 2.25rem; line-height: 2.5rem; font-family: "Guardian Egyptian Web", "Guardian Text Egyptian Web", Georgia, serif; font-weight: normal; padding-top: 0.375rem; padding-bottom: 2.25rem; color: rgb51, 51, 51; font-variant-ligatures: common-ligatures;">Second Melbourne council votes to cancel Australia Day ceremony and celebrations</h1> is marriage all its cracked up to be any way? if its a matter of property carve up, make a will!



Your spot on Isaacs .

Men should be protected .   Marriage should be banned.
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Originally posted by Isaac soloman Isaac soloman wrote:

this concerns me more than  who marries who. needs to be sorted first. this has been simmering for 200 years....ssm how long?

Second Melbourne council votes to cancel Australia Day ceremony and celebrations

 is marriage all its cracked up to be any way? if its a matter of property carve up, make a will!


It is up to the National Government to promote Australia Day celebrations, Local Councils are irrelevant. 




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Originally posted by Tlazolteotl Tlazolteotl wrote:

List of countries on the slippery slope Shocked


1 The Netherlands: April 1, 2001
2. Belgium: June 1, 2003

3. Spain: July 3, 2005
4. Canada: July 20, 2005

5. South Africa: November 30, 2006

6. Norway: January 1, 2009
7. Sweden: May 1, 2009

8. Portugal: June 5, 2010
9. Iceland: June 27, 2010
10. Argentina: July 22, 2010

11. Denmark: June 15,2012

12. Brazil: May 14, 2013
13. France: May 29, 2013
14. Uruguay: August 5, 2013
15. New Zealand: August 19, 2013
16. United Kingdom (England, Wales, Scotland) 2013
17. French Guiana: 2013

18. Luxembourg: June 18, 2014
19. Finland: November 28, 2014 (Note: Gay marriage will become legal in Finland from 2017 through a bill passed this year.)
12. Ireland: May 23, 2015
21. The United States (2015)
22. Greenland, an autonomous territory of Denmark (2015)


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Originally posted by max manewer max manewer wrote:

Marriage came into being as a stable social and legal platform to bring children into the world. It was never designed so people of the same gender could play footsy, without having people talk about it. I expect the "No" vote will at least run in the quinella.

Marriage came into being as a way for men to secure their property.Wink
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Originally posted by Tlazolteotl Tlazolteotl wrote:

Originally posted by max manewer max manewer wrote:

Marriage came into being as a stable social and legal platform to bring children into the world. It was never designed so people of the same gender could play footsy, without having people talk about it. I expect the "No" vote will at least run in the quinella.

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Marriage came into being as a way for men to secure their property.Wink


Not to mention the fact that a lot of people choose to get married with no intention or, for example in the case of seniors, no capacity to have children.
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dearie me, many men avoided marriage to protect their wealth from claims on it by the mothers of their children, and the children themselves. But the law has closed that gap with co-habitation laws, and child support laws. But still not under the cover of the more readily accessible Family Law Court. As a result marriage has much less importance as formerly. Seniors getting married, without any prospect of children, is not the main game, and never was. But don't feed me garbage about how the issue of children was not front and centre of the raison(s) d'etre of marriage, in all cultures, universally.
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Marriage has changed form many times over the ages. Polygamy was once the go for high-status men. We changed the rules. Child marriage was once all the rage- still is in some places- we changed the rules. Infertile marriages used to be dissolved. We changed the rules. Contraception in marriage used to be illegal. We changed the rules.

If indeed reproduction was the purpose of marriage we can change the rules. It is clearly not the purpose of many hetero marriages.
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Can a couple marry in a church without a legal marriage licence under the marriage act?

Can a couple marry without using a church?

The religious aspect is a outdated appendage to the legal framework created around children's legal status, property rights and to some extent sexual control. 

Religion is being used less and less with 75% of marriages performed by civil celebrants according to last years census. Religion shouldn't have any influential say in this argument in an increasingly secular world imo 
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Can we come out of the closet now.

My Chihuahua is legally entitled to half the house.     We have been together over 13 years.

In her mind she owns the lot.
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Laws exist, or ought to exist, in the interests of a smoother functioning of society. That is the only test that should be applied to the wisdom of allowing gay marriage, and if that was a simple proposition, the debate would not be happening. I would say the watering down of the importance of marriage through laws governing property settlement, of long co-habiting, but unmarried people, together with child support laws that apply to all and sundry, is probably a bigger blow to the standing of marriage, than gay marriage is. It isn't that special, and that follows from the relaxation of divorce laws as well. Now gays will get to participate in the "fun" of legal intrusion into their relationships, and you wonder if a silent majority of them, or the smarter ones anyway, don't see it as a mixed blessing at best.
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Watering down or being more inclusive?

This is just bringing excluded people into the current legal framework. It has no effect on people already covered. It is a rights issue. 

Failing out of touch religious bodies are trying to frame it as being about them, but it isn't, and their attitude just drives more people away from them than the droves already departing or not engaging religion.
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Watered down in comparison to its former legal standing, as the only arrangement that offered legal protection. Today people can't dodge responsibility, in theory at least, to the extent they once could, married or not. Back in the day, people would look askance at women having children "out of wedlock", and in many cases the taxpayer picked up the tab through "supporting mother benefits", That has changed considerably, too. And I agree it has nothing to do with religion. In fact, I seem to recall the man himself (JC) telling someone there was no marriage in the Kingdom of Heaven !
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Why should it only be different here, and because of the views of one major religion?

The US, UK Canada, France etc have legalised it, the Anglican church have gay bishops, archbishops, gay married clergy. 

Why should the majority view be over ridden by the views of a minority group, the Catholic Church, because of their powerful political influence?
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We have yet to find out what the majority view is, and won't as a result of the "Clayton's" poll.
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It should have been placed in the hands of Roy Morgan, for a whole lot less $, or done properly, but the stuff-up experts in Canberra have denied us that option.
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Originally posted by max manewer max manewer wrote:

We have yet to find out what the majority view is, and won't as a result of the "Clayton's" poll.

That is the whole point

It should have been a binding referendum with a simple yes or no question on the HOR ballot paper at last years  federal election. Again it wasn't because it is designed to get a situation that can fail
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I am quite happy for it to be in a form that can fail. Or succeed ! SO long as it is clear, and the result binding.
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PT,Let's change the gun laws too ... "why should it only be different here"Embarrassed
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Originally posted by maccamax maccamax wrote:

Can we come out of the closet now.

My Chihuahua is legally entitled to half the house.     We have been together over 13 years.

In her mind she owns the lot.

I heard a horrible, but true story, about a woman who was almost expired, leaving her estate to a neighbour, on condition he provide care and comfort to her beloved dog. Upon her death, and inheriting the money, he promptly took the dog to the pound, and in quick time, the bookies relieved him of the money. What a maggot !
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well we know you don't like dogs Max, how much money did you lose ?
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Originally posted by Whale Whale wrote:

well we know you don't like dogs Max, how much money did you lose ?

A better question, how many times have you been banned here, and why do you keep slinking back ?
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