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Been waiting for the usual suspects to raise the issue but strangely quiet (maybe it's been forgotten about by now... short attention spans...)

The SCOTUS has ruled in favour (7-2) of the much laughed at wedding cake guy. Why?
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Just checked back a couple of pages to see what PT et al were blathering aboyt at that point... and all I get is,

Doc, did you end up seeing the new Star Wars???
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Originally posted by stayer stayer wrote:

Been waiting for the usual suspects to raise the issue but strangely quiet (maybe it's been forgotten about by now... short attention spans...)

The SCOTUS has ruled in favour (7-2) of the much laughed at wedding cake guy. Why?

Not quite a victory for the Christians, but a victory for that individual.. They ruled in the bakers favor in this case because they said that not enough consideration was given to the religious argument by the judge, but said that it wouldn't necessarily vote that way again if a judgement was handed down if more fairly considered. 
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Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

Originally posted by stayer stayer wrote:

Been waiting for the usual suspects to raise the issue but strangely quiet (maybe it's been forgotten about by now... short attention spans...)

The SCOTUS has ruled in favour (7-2) of the much laughed at wedding cake guy. Why?


Not quite a victory for the Christians, but a victory for that individual.. They ruled in the bakers favor in this case because they said that not enough consideration was given to the religious argument by the judge, but said that it wouldn't necessarily vote that way again if a judgement was handed down if more fairly considered. 

Mmm... no, they said a bit more than that, which you might like to bear in mind..
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But yes, a victory for the Individual.
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In this case, not generally
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One of the commissioners in the appeal to the civil rights commission had gone on a rant about what damage religion had caused over centuries and the SCOTUS ruled that was inappropriate, so they reversed their ruling.
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Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

One of the commissioners in the appeal to the civil rights commission had gone on a rant about what damage religion had caused over centuries and the SCOTUS ruled that was inappropriate, so they reversed their ruling.

Can you find a link to Justice Kennedy's full statement? I can't seem to find it via google
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... which is bloody amazing really...

The internet makes everyone an expert, but when you want to find facts all you get is endless opinion pieces.

I've tried finding the link for 10 mins... all I get is garbage articles...
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Except for that, which I thought couldn't be pasted because it involves making it a PDF?
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Supreme Court rules in favor of baker who would not make wedding cake for gay couple

The Supreme Court on Monday ruled for a Colorado baker who refused to create a wedding cake for a same-sex couple, but it left undecided whether a business owner’s religious beliefs or free speech rights can justify refusing some services to gay people.

Instead, Justice Anthony M. Kennedy’s 7-to-2 decision focused on what he described as religious bias on the part of Colorado Civil Rights Commission members who ruled against baker Jack Phillips, who owns Masterpiece Cakeshop.

“The neutral and respectful consideration to which Phillips was entitled was compromised here,” Kennedy wrote, adding that the commission’s decision that the baker violated the state’s anti-discrimination law must be set aside.

But Kennedy acknowledged that the decision was more of a start than a conclusion to the court’s consideration of the rights of those with religious objections to same-sex marriage and the rights of gay people, who “cannot be treated as social outcasts or as inferior in dignity and worth.”

Future cases that raise those issues “must be resolved with tolera....

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/courts_law/supreme-court-rules-in-favor-of-baker-who-would-not-make-wedding-cake-for-gay-couple/2018/06/04/50c68cf8-6802-11e8-bea7-c8eb28bc52b1_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.1664189f2313

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Worth a read, for anyone who takes the effort.
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Originally posted by stayer stayer wrote:

Worth a read, for anyone who takes the effort.

The PDF, I mean - not the article!
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Surely you can see how selective that (and evry google-able) article is, compared to the full statement- not to mention the unsaid things in the statement.

Why was this a 7-2 decision? And why is it being reported (on google) as "narrow"?

Worth a bit of digging in to.
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Not everyone wants to wade through a 59 page judgement.

The narrowness refers not to the margin of the vote, but the scope of the ruling. They ruled on that narrow point of the discriminatory comment by the commissioner.
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Originally posted by stayer stayer wrote:

Surely you can see how selective that (and evry google-able) article is, compared to the full statement- not to mention the unsaid things in the statement.

Why was this a 7-2 decision? And why is it being reported (on google) as "narrow"?

Worth a bit of digging in to.



It was “narrow” in what it was ruling on, not “narrow” in the margin of the decision - obviously 7-2 is not even close.
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Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

Not everyone wants to wade through a 59 page judgement.

The narrowness refers not to the margin of the vote, but the scope of the ruling. They ruled on that narrow point of the discriminatory comment by the commissioner.

Why was it 7-2? (Not everybody wants to read through a 59 page ruling)
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2 dissented. They ruled on the basis of the overall discrimination against the customers, rather than that narrower area of the anti religious bias by a single commissioner.
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2 dissented. They ruled on the basis of the overall discrimination against the customers, rather than that narrower area of the anti religious bias by a single commissioner.

5 didn't.
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Funny Old Thread.

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THE CAKE ISSUE

I saw a wonderful cartoon in THE AUSTRALIAN

The Baker in the background and his female assistant returns to the gay male couple at the counter

she     " He says he will make the cake but you'll have to put the 2 little men on top of cake,yourself "
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Originally posted by stayer stayer wrote:

Just checked back a couple of pages to see what PT et al were blathering aboyt at that point... and all I get is,

Doc, did you end up seeing the new Star Wars???

LOL ... yes thanks stayer ... a very entertaining and at the same time, virtuous movie!Wink

Yes, bit of a blow for those gelati stirrers (Tongue) who wouldn't support the cake shop that was run by fags!

Can't blame them, you never know what they stick in the cake mix! ... or maybe they did know!Shocked
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Originally posted by stayer stayer wrote:

Surely you can see how selective that (and evry google-able) article is, compared to the full statement- not to mention the unsaid things in the statement.

Why was this a 7-2 decision? And why is it being reported (on google) as "narrow"?

Worth a bit of digging in to.

That is simply the slant of the "progressive" meeja stayer, when it comes to ringing in the virtue signalling, and the click bait chasers just follow suit!

... but I must admit, it is unlike CNNPT to be lazy about finding impartial coverage on a subject like this ... maybe he was the one caught licking the spoon at the other cake shop!Embarrassed
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Here's a pertinent part of the ruling you may find interesting Stayer -
 
That consideration was compromised, however, by the Commission’s treatment of Phillips’ case, which showed elements of a clear and impermissible hostility toward the sincere religious beliefs motivating his objection.
 As the record shows, some of the commissioners at the Commission’s formal, public hearings endorsed the view that religious beliefs cannot legitimately be carried into the public
sphere or commercial domain, disparaged Phillips’ faith as despicable and characterized it as merely rhetorical,
and compared his invocation of his sincerely held religious beliefs to defenses of slavery and the Holocaust.
 No commissioners objected to the comments. Nor were they mentioned in the later state-court ruling
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"When the Colorado Civil Rights Commission considered this case, it did not do so with the religious neutrality that the Constitution requires."
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Ah thabks 3B, I knew there was a reason. PT and the media must have missed it.
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Originally posted by ThreeBears ThreeBears wrote:

Here's a pertinent part of the ruling you may find interesting Stayer -
 
That consideration was compromised, however, by the Commission’s treatment of Phillips’ case, which showed elements of a clear and impermissible hostility toward the sincere religious beliefs motivating his objection.
 As the record shows, some of the commissioners at the Commission’s formal, public hearings endorsed the view that religious beliefs cannot legitimately be carried into the public
sphere or commercial domain, disparaged Phillips’ faith as despicable and characterized it as merely rhetorical,
and compared his invocation of his sincerely held religious beliefs to defenses of slavery and the Holocaust.
 No commissioners objected to the comments. Nor were they mentioned in the later state-court ruling


That makes no sense to me. Sincerely held religious beliefs are often nutty, discriminatory, sexist, racist and so on. That's why you have the law of the land.
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Nice to see Austria putting their foot down on parts of the Muslim community, shutting down mosques and clamping down on their ideals.
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