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    Posted: 01 Jun 2014 at 3:28pm
Surely this latest news story from Pakistan is rather unique  because of the elongated detail.

A woman is promised in marriage to a cousin but marries another.

She fronts a court over the marriage (3 months pregnant) but is stoned to death by her father and relatives outside the building.

Police,close by,do not interfere.

The husband pleads on news that he called for help but to no avail.


Shocking but the story doesn't end there.

Then,news arrives that the husband strangled to death his first wife because he was in love with the deceased of this story.

He is not prosecuted for the first wife death because his SON forgave him.

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Wait,there's more


The older sister of the deceased of this story was murdered by her own family four years ago.

She was asked,before then, to return home after her family had a dispute with the in-laws.

Her refusal to do so sealed her fate. Her family bided their time,invited her to dinner and a poisoning eventuated. 
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Sounds like a lovely religious free zone..?


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At least they weren't murdered by a USA drone ......

Nobody is held accountable in such situations which are a regular occurrence in Pakistan ....
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I read that as long as one of the murder victims family forgives the murderer than there is no punishment. He killed another wife a few years earlier but because his daughter told the court that she forgives dad for killing mum than every one can go home and live happily ever after.
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At least they weren't murdered by a USA drone ......

Nobody is held accountable in such situations which are a regular occurrence in Pakistan ....


pictures, evidence, data...the usual if you don't mind...?


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PAKISTANI police have denied negligence over their failure to stop the bludgeoning to death of a woman outside a courthouse, describing it as a simple murder case despite a chorus of global condemnation.

Farzana Parveen died after she was set upon by more than two dozen attackers armed with bricks outside Lahore’s High Court on Tuesday, including numerous relatives, for marrying against her family’s wishes.

Police were present at the scene but did not stop the mob killing Parveen, who was three months pregnant.

Parveen’s father Mohammad Azeem was detained at the scene of the attack. Four others, including an uncle, two of her cousins, and a driver were arrested late on Thursday.

Senior officer Zulfiqar Hameed defended his men’s actions, saying one had snatched a gun from an attacker, but claimed the mob was too large for police to stop the killing. He also blamed foreign media for their “inaccurate” description of events.

“It is a routine murder case like other murder cases and has to be seen in the context of Pakistani society,” Hameed said.

“The foreign media is wrongly describing it as stoning without seeing the background of the two families, which is not good and which resulted in this incident,” he added.

Hameed also claimed Parveen’s husband Mohammad Iqbal had absconded from justice for four years after murdering his wife, and alleged that Parveen eloped with him despite already being married.

Iqbal — who on Thursday admitted he had strangled his first wife out of love for Parveen — had told AFP he wanted to see her attackers “killed with bricks”.

He was spared jail for his first wife’s murder because his sons persuaded her family to pardon him under Pakistan’s blood-money laws.
   

These allow a victim’s family to forgive the murderer, which makes prosecuting so-called “honour” cases difficult as the killer is usually a relative.

Abduction allegations

In a further complication to the case, defence lawyer Mansoor Khan Afridi on Saturday claimed Iqbal had abducted Parveen two years ago, when she was already married to her cousin Mazhar Iqbal.

“Mohammad Iqbal developed illicit relations with Farzana and used to visit her when her husband Mazhar Iqbal was not at home,” Afridi said. “Later Iqbal kidnapped her.” The lawyer claimed Mohammad Iqbal then obtained another marriage certificate, a crime if Parveen was already married to another man, he said.

Afridi said that cases of abduction and unlawful marriage had already been registered with police.

A Pakistani court extended the custody of Parveen’s father on Saturday, giving police seven more days to investigate the crime, senior police official Omer Riaz Cheema said.

Parveen was at court to testify in Iqbal’s defence when she was killed, after he was accused by her relatives of kidnapping her and forcing her into marriage.

Hundreds of women are murdered by their relatives in Pakistan each year in the name of defending family “honour”.

But the brazen, brutal nature of Parveen’s killing, in broad daylight in the centre of Pakistan’s second largest city, has triggered outrage around the world.

Officers made the later arrests after Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif demanded immediate action on the case.

Last year, 869 women died in so-called “honour killings”, according to the independent Human Rights Commission of Pakistan.
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what is the religious majority there..?


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Originally posted by Fiddlesticks Fiddlesticks wrote:

Originally posted by Hollywood Hollywood wrote:

At least they weren't murdered by a USA drone ......

Nobody is held accountable in such situations which are a regular occurrence in Pakistan ....


pictures, evidence, data...the usual if you don't mind...?



You don't believe that USA drones have murdered many women and children in Pakistan ?

What pictures do you require ?

Do you want to see a baby's head laying 10 metres from it's body ?

Evidence and proof you require ?? And who would be creditable enough for you to believe ? I would say only the US government ??
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Originally posted by Hollywood Hollywood wrote:

Originally posted by Fiddlesticks Fiddlesticks wrote:

Originally posted by Hollywood Hollywood wrote:

At least they weren't murdered by a USA drone ......

Nobody is held accountable in such situations which are a regular occurrence in Pakistan ....


pictures, evidence, data...the usual if you don't mind...?



You don't believe that USA drones have murdered many women and children in Pakistan ?

What pictures do you require ?

Do you want to see a baby's head laying 10 metres from it's body ?

Evidence and proof you require ?? And who would be creditable enough for you to believe ? I would say only the US government ??


Sorry I'm confused, what does the US killings have to do with these "honour" killings for a start, and yes if you're going to spout stuff that's not relevant, at least try to provide some evidence and make some effort to to tie it to the OP's post..



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Eid prayers at a mosque, Christian children, pie charts showing ethnic and religious breakdown, and country map
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Thank you BD...
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Pakistan tourism must be thriving. And to think they are nuclear-armed, yet can't clean this stuff up.
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Originally posted by Tuft_It _Tees Tuft_It _Tees wrote:

Pakistan tourism must be thriving. And to think they are nuclear-armed, yet can't clean this stuff up.


perhaps we could pray it goes off accidentally....multiple times..
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did anyone read the story about the christain sudanese woman imprisoned in khartoum ?
she is sentenced to hang because she converted from Islam.
her new born daughter and toddler son are in prison with her.
she is also to get 100 lashes for having sex with a christian,  ( her husband ).
muslim women in the sudan are prohibited from marrying non muslim men,  tho muslim men can marry outside the religion.
she was convicted on May 15, under sharia law, to death.

just posting what i read somewhere.
now sit back and wait for whale to come in and call me a red neck bigot, as per his normal response to what i post.
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Originally posted by acacia alba acacia alba wrote:

did anyone read the story about the christain sudanese woman imprisoned in khartoum ?
she is sentenced to hang because she converted from Islam.
her new born daughter and toddler son are in prison with her.
she is also to get 100 lashes for having sex with a christian,  ( her husband ).
muslim women in the sudan are prohibited from marrying non muslim men,  tho muslim men can marry outside the religion.
she was convicted on May 15, under sharia law, to death.

just posting what i read somewhere.
now sit back and wait for whale to come in and call me a red neck bigot, as per his normal response to what i post.
Lord Kitchener may need to be dug up to attend to this situation, just like it was with the Mahdi !
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There have been a number of similar things in Sudan over the last few years.

In this case as in many recent, I think they will bow to Western pressure and overturn this. Sudan struggles under the pressure of traditional Islamic  law and wanting to Westernise 
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sorry but ALL countries struggle under Islamic law...that's what it's very good at..making people suffer and struggle.


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apparently the husband holds american citizenship, so one would expect that might help her .
lets hope so anyway.
what hope do they have of westernising , while they still enforce sharia law ?
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The struggle Sudan is going through is breaking away from it They want to be accepted in the West 
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but they wont be, while ever they allow this sort of thing to happen.
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Originally posted by Browndog Browndog wrote:

The struggle Sudan is going through is breaking away from it They want to be accepted in the West 


seems to be very apparent that most immigrants and geniune refugee's in the world are coming from places that have been ruined by Islam and sharia law...
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Originally posted by Fiddlesticks Fiddlesticks wrote:

Originally posted by Browndog Browndog wrote:

The struggle Sudan is going through is breaking away from it They want to be accepted in the West 


seems to be very apparent that most immigrants and geniune refugee's in the world are coming from places that have been ruined by Islam and sharia law...


Of course we'd all prefer if every was able to stay in their own homelands as that's what's natural for everyone, but until we get rid of the disease that is Religion, in particular Islamic law, then this problem is going to continue to fester on the international scene...

it's no coincidence most refugee's are escaping due to these religious conditions...
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Australia has aboriginies clubbing their wives and girlfriends to death all the time in outback Australia and we don't really care about that but we are concerned about the same similar things in other countries. I will find some articles and post them.

No need to be facetious.


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Writing in Quadrant last November, Bubbles Segall, a worker for 36 years in Northern Territory community health, instanced these cases of violence:

“A woman is repeatedly evacuated from a remote community health centre to hospital with multiple fractures to the bones in her hands and burns to her vagina. On each of these occasions, her husband, in fits of jealous rage, has put burning sticks into her vagina and broken the bones in her fingers…

“A nurse is called out at midnight to attend to a woman who has been brutally bashed by her husband. She is six months pregnant with her first child. In a jealous, drunken rage, her husband accused her of talking to another man earlier in the evening. She is bleeding profusely from a head wound caused by a partial avulsion of her scalp. She has also sustained a partial tear to an earlobe. She is bleeding copiously from her vagina. Her husband has kicked her repeatedly in the abdomen. Her wounds are treated, she sustains a miscarriage and is evacuated by air ambulance to the nearest hospital that night.”



In the most remote areas of the NT, assault rates were up 66%, compared with 2006-07, including a 19% rise in the latest year.[13] There were a third more alcohol-related assaults than in 2006-07, but 175% more non-alcohol related assaults. [14]

Louis Nowra published his 90-page essay “Bad Dreaming” in 2007. He wrote then that the brutality was increasing, with spears, rocks, knives, bottles and bricks used [in other words, violence has been accelerating both pre and post-2007]. Rape and especially gang-rape had become more common, Nowra said, with violence more ferocious and sometimes beggaring belief.

“Victims are viciously gang-banged, during which they are smashed with iron bars, rocks, pieces of concrete or lumps of wood that cause massive physical injuries and permanent facial deformities. A particularly nasty strain of this violence that is showing an alarming rise, is the number of women being set on fire.” [15]

The Age’s Russell Skelton in 2006 reported a case where a young man doused petrol on his 18-year-old girlfriend’s stomach and genitals and set her clothes on fire when she refused to have sex.

Nowra quotes Dr Kate Napthall of Darwin who on one Friday night from 5pm to 8am at Tennant Creek Hospital saw 28 cases of domestic assault – and those were just the ones that presented. The worst case she recalled was a woman of about 28 who had a saucepan of boiling water poured over her face, scalding her eyes beyond recognition. “When I looked in her files, she had between 40 and 50 similar presentations of assault against her by her husband,” Napthall said.[16] (Tennant Creek Indigenous assault victims have risen 19% since 2006-07.[17] The assault rate there is now well over three times the NT average – which itself is high.[


Some women became sleepwalking targets-for-violence, rather than human beings. One woman was so inured to injuries she no longer felt them. Her husband put a barbed spear right through her arm and another man pulled it out. No-one reported the incident because she was attacked so routinely with knives, stones and sticks.[19] Women would be on the ground being kicked in the belly but no-one would help her: “You just didn’t do that. You could watch, but weren’t allowed to butt into people’s fights,” one woman told a 1999 inquiry


These reports include a case where wife of an elder was repeatedly bashed and stabbed over the years at Alice Springs, refusing police protection out of fear. Eventually she was beaten to death, tied up and left on an ant’s nest for a week


In May 2005 at Araru outstation on the Coburg Peninsular, NT, Trenton Cunningham 27, beat to death Jodi Palipuaminni, his pregnant wife and mother-of-four, because she didn’t bring him a cup of water while he was burying his dog. Her screams for help the night before she died were ignored, and she was dead by morning. The husband was on parole for assaulting his wife with a steel bar and pouring boiling water over her, resulting in skin grafts to 20% of her body. She had become his promised wife soon after her birth. She had complained 29 times to health workers about him. He had whipped her with wire, kicked her in the stomach while pregnant, stabbed her with scissors and scalded her. Cunningham was sentenced to a non-parole period of 6.5 years after his charge was reduced from murder to manslaughter


Merrillee Mulligan in Derby, described as “a respected worker for her people”, in 2000 threatened to expose her brother in law Jeffrey Qualla for molesting a seven year old girl. That night while she was asleep he bashed her head and dragged her into a vacant block and attacked her with a file. She died. He was charged with willful murder but the prosecutor Robert Cock QC accepted a please of manslaughter. Qualla was to serve less than two years in prison. Cock commented that the juries view alcohol-fuelled violence in Aboriginal communities as so everyday that it was difficult to prove intent to kill. [24
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Originally posted by Hollywood Hollywood wrote:

At least they weren't murdered by a USA drone ......

Nobody is held accountable in such situations which are a regular occurrence in Pakistan ....

Mutually exclusive events, one has absolutely nothing to do with the other.

I'm sure the woman being stoned to death was extremely thankful she wasn't killed by a drone.

What an idiotic post.
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Very glad to live in a country where we have a far higher baseline for the human rights we enjoy.

Women in particular seem to bare the brunt of some very poor outcomes in Muslim fundamentalist countries.
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Not sure about that claim oldmate....however the above case does go to show just how folk from different parts of the world think...& we are being contaminated by it here in Australia. Recently reported that kids as young as 11 are being forced into marriage here...with offenders arguing that is their custom & therefore have a right to do so...barbaric...do we really need that here ?
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Yes oldmate...just read your post...sickening stuff. Just what is the answer in these outback areas ?...all sick on the grog...absolutely terrible. How about the lenient sentences...no win situation I suppose....on one hand the high indigenous incarceration rates are bandied about vs. crimes like this getting light sentences...obviously not easy to get on top of...squillions have been thrown at our indigenous population over the years with little improvement
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Originally posted by Voss Voss wrote:

Originally posted by Hollywood Hollywood wrote:

At least they weren't murdered by a USA drone ......

Nobody is held accountable in such situations which are a regular occurrence in Pakistan ....

Mutually exclusive events, one has absolutely nothing to do with the other.

I'm sure the woman being stoned to death was extremely thankful she wasn't killed by a drone.

What an idiotic post.

Are you sure they are not connected ?

Why would a story like this make the news and a story about an aboriginal woman from our own country not make the news ?

You are being brainwashed to believe that it is Muslims that are the problem and it has worked with people like you. It is the demonisation of everyone Muslim ........ but you can't see this.

You champion your brainwashing by declaring the following, ' I'm sure the woman being stoned to death was extremely thankful she wasn't killed by a drone."

The problem is not Muslims ............ 

it's the brainwashed be they Fundamentalists or a Voss ....
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Originally posted by oneonesit oneonesit wrote:

Yes oldmate...just read your post...sickening stuff. Just what is the answer in these outback areas ?...all sick on the grog...absolutely terrible. How about the lenient sentences...no win situation I suppose....on one hand the high indigenous incarceration rates are bandied about vs. crimes like this getting light sentences...obviously not easy to get on top of...squillions have been thrown at our indigenous population over the years with little improvement
Seemingly so. But if you question what has been going on for decades, and the dismal results, you will soon get the "R" word.
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