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    Posted: 14 Jun 2014 at 10:13am
Just had a look at some of his race videos. He is pretty impressive (albeit on dirt) What do you think of his chances here and would you mate him with a daughter of Exceed and Excel?
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  THE FACTOR (USA) Grey colt 2008  
War Front
Bay 2002
Danzig
Bay 1977
Northern Dancer
Bay 1961
Nearctic
Brown 1954
Nearco
Lady Angela
1935
1944
4-r
14-c
Natalma
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Native Dancer
Almahmoud
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1947
5-f
2-d
Pas de Nom
Bay or brown 1968
Admiral's Voyage
Bay or brown 1959
Crafty Admiral
Olympia Lou
1948
1952
8-c
4-n
Petitioner
Bay 1952
Petition
Steady Aim
1944
1943
16-g
7-a
Starry Dreamer
Grey 1994
Rubiano
Grey 1987
Fappiano
Bay 1977
Mr Prospector
Killaloe
1970
1970
13-c
16-a
Ruby Slippers
Grey 1982
Nijinsky
Moon Glitter
1967
1972
8-f
3-o
Lara's Star
Bay 1981
Forli
Chestnut 1963
Aristophanes
Trevisa
1948
1951
9-c
3-b
True Reality
Bay 1973
Round Table
Secret Promise
1954
1964
2-f
4-r
Greyciousness
Grey 1995
Miswaki
Chestnut 1978
Mr Prospector
Bay 1970
Raise a Native
Chestnut 1961
Native Dancer
Raise You
1950
1946
5-f
8-f
Gold Digger
Bay 1962
Nashua
Sequence
1952
1946
3-m
13-c
Hopespringseternal
Chestnut 1971
Buckpasser
Bay 1963
Tom Fool
Busanda
1949
1947
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1-s
Rose Bower
Chestnut 1958
Princequillo
Lea Lane
1940
1952
1-b
16-g
Skatingonthinice
Grey 1986
Icecapade
Grey 1969
Nearctic
Brown 1954
Nearco
Lady Angela
1935
1944
4-r
14-c
Shenanigans
Grey 1963
Native Dancer
Bold Irish
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1948
5-f
8-c
Rain Shower
Bay or brown 1980
Bold Forbes
Bay or brown 1973
Irish Castle
Comely Nell
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8-c
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Right as Rain
Bay 1963
Rasper
Arthurette
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Looks like a good-looking beast

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Just landed his 2nd winner as a first season sire in the US.
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Now a Group 1 winning sire in his 1st Year.  He suits AUS conditions & expect him to go very well.

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Fifth stakes winner and second graded winner for The Factor from his first crop!

Still has to do it in Aus - however I think Newgate have him going for $10k.......he wont last at that price!

He is also leading 2nd season sire in the US for winners.

Have a weanling, 1 in foal & going back again!
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Don't think he will be a 'Factor' in Australia.
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In saying that at the price worth a punt.
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Good evening Brains Trust!

In spite of my better judgement, I find myself (as I do from time to time), considering the roller coaster of ownership again - somebody stop me!!!

Anyhow, I haven't done much research for a few years ... the last time was in this section, and I recall there was quite a bit of bullishness about a young first season sire called I Am Invincible who was throwing some nice types - I wisely acquiesced (under the wife's urging), and didn't try to pursue a share in a syndicate ... Ouch

I like the idea of trying to find a gem in the rough ... I remember when I first had a few 2yo's up and running, and we were constantly beaten by these good looking things by a freshman called Danehill ... missed the boat there too! LOL

Anyhow, just wondering if anyone has had any experience, updates or opinions on the progeny of this bloke ... noticed there are a couple in upcoming MM and Inglis Classic sale.

Any other "value" sires that I should be considering?

Any advice is greatly appreciated ... thank you in anticipation! Thumbs Up
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The best value is not buying one Dr E. 

I would STOP you.. but it's your call. Finding a good sire / stock from a 'good sire' is like getting a 500/1 winner

think it over, I often look at catalogues with certain feelings toward sirelines.. but if the damline is weak I avoid +++  which basically means I never 'strongly' consider buying anything. Good luck if you get good info on the factor. I like him also. I would go for a Zebedee before him though
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LOL Cheers troppo, and thanks for the "counselling"Wink 

Been there done that (still got the photos on the wall!) so well aware of the potential torment, but you can't beat the highs either!

Not looking at a big investment, and have a few going in with me potentially for a cut in a syndicate, so not more than 5% for me personally (hopefully less), so budgeting up to a $100k yearling.

I'll check out the Zebedees (a grey too!) - thanks!
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Don't suppose your looking for a good lady trainer Dr ?
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Yes in fact(or) ... considering having a chat with G. Englebrecht at Warwick Farm ... seriously!
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Originally posted by Aurelius Aurelius wrote:

Don't think he will be a 'Factor' in Australia.

Not much of a factor in the US either - shipping him off to Japan for a season already..... 
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Didn't realise he had a crop on the ground down here Embarrassed

Not exactly shooting the light out is he ...
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Geeez! you lot are going a little early on the bagging of The Factor. How bout' you give him a chance to at least get warm. He's only had the 5 runners for one winner. Unencumbered 8-0. Epaulette 4-0. Zoustar 3-0.

His stats in the US aren't that bad either. 155 runners for 8 stakes winners and 4 stakes placed
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That’s a harsh summary of his progress seeing that he’s only got early season 2yr olds from his first crop running in Aus.

Another way to look at it is that he’s currently running 2nd by winners on the first season sire premiership (via 1 winner)
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5%+ SW/R.....that is very good.

For a cost effective stallion - find one that has that type of record.
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That’s in America though.

Means ‘’Didley Squat’ in Australia.
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I agree with PH, does Uncle Mo ring a bell
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Everyone bagged All Too Hard and now look. People just need to have patience.
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‘All Too Hard’ was an Australian Horse.

Uncle Mo & The Factor not.

Nothing to do with patience!!!
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So what about More Than Ready?  Or Medalia D'Oro?Or Artie Schiller?  Or Street Boss?  Or Hussonet?  Or Spinning World? Or....
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5% Stakeswinners to Runners means nothing......Thumbs Up


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Assuming you are buying, selling or racing in Australia of course it doesn't mean anything.

Matter of Factor 48% Winners to runners is a dismal failure in his own country which would be the reason they are shipping him off overseas if that is true.

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No. 48% winners to runners would be poor for a stallion with 6 and 7 yr olds running. However it is quite reasonable for a stallion at The Factor’s stage with only 2 and 3 yr old runners.

For comparison, The Factor has a bit of a jump with older 3yr olds than our current 2nd season sires (Pierro, All to Hard,etc), but his 48% beats their winner to runner ratios
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Well I did end up sending my mare to him, and we have a simply terrific young colt. The best she has thrown. 
I certainly would not be giving up on him just yet. 
And his first Australian winner at Canberra the other day could not have been more impressive.
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Originally posted by Ninski Ninski wrote:

Well I did end up sending my mare to him, and we have a simply terrific young colt. The best she has thrown. 
I certainly would not be giving up on him just yet. 
And his first Australian winner at Canberra the other day could not have been more impressive.
Thanks Ninski ... that's the kind of feedback i was looking for ... stats can be misleading (understatement?) ... type is what is more important when fishing in the shallow end.

btw, is being sent to Japan a bad thing as a US sire?

Anyone else with any direct experience of his youngsters, I would be keen to hear your thoughts!

Good luck with your colt Ninski ... keep us informed of his progress, you racing him? 
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The ones I have seen Dr (10+) have all had some size to them. Not been small nuggets.

Time will tell - however a 5%+ SW/R stallion for the price of the service fee is excellent.  May also be the last sales season you pick them up cheaply if he kicks in as an AUS sire
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I hope is a success for those that have progeny.

He has 1 winner and I watched Fun Factor at Canterbury last night and thought it was a top run 3 wide all the way and kept on coming.

Maybe Was Front is the 'Diamond in the Rough'.
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