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He sounded like an absolute goose. Gave no decent answers, lots of garbage about thew horse telling us, no firm plans or directions, just lots of hypotheticals and motherhood statements about the horse, Waller, the owner and everyone else.

Do yourself a favour and ignore anything that bloke says. Only two people matter in this equation: Waller and the owner. Waller will largely get his way, but I have no doubt the horse will land in the Australian Derby if by then a stud hasn't bought him. If a stud has bought him by then, he won't go near a Derby.

In the meantime he will go to the Guineas without a doubt. What happens beyond then is anyone's guess.
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No good thing in Caulfield Guineas, not if they run it at Caulfield.
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Originally posted by Sunline Sunline wrote:


Do yourself a favour and ignore anything that bloke says. Only two people matter in this equation: Waller and the owner. Waller will largely get his way, but I have no doubt the horse will land in the Australian Derby if by then a stud hasn't bought him. If a stud has bought him by then, he won't go near a Derby.



Having won a 2yo group 1 race and the Golden Rose it does not matter if he wins a Melbourne Cup and a Ascot Gold Cup and Aintree Grand National.

At least it should not matter.




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Caulfield guineas is his only real target. He will not get back to last again that's why they had the blinkers on but from the barrier and because of the opposition they decided to go back. He will have the tactical speed to lob in the top 3 pairs and he will demolish them at 1600m.   Odds on by Racetime ? You better believe it.
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I find it hard to get rapt about Redoute's. Has there ever been a champion open age Redoute's? If this one turns out to be one it will be the first in my book, after a billion live foals and a gazillion in fees. But maybe my memory is gone- refresh me.

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Miss Finland came back and won as an open class 4yo.  So did Lotteria and Bonaria.  You can't blame a horse who is seen as a sire of sires when he looses them every year at the end of their three year old season.   Rock Magic is just below that top G1 sprint class but has been a very hardy horses year in and year out.

The thing is this colt is from a middle distance staying family and he shows that speed and will to win.  Probably won't have him around for long either.  But that doesn't mean he doesn't have great ability.
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STRIKE WHILST THE IRON IS HOT

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Best Golden Rose winner ever I read. Really? How do you work that one out? I don't have to go too far back in the distant past of the race to call bullsh1t on that.
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Originally posted by Tlazolteotl Tlazolteotl wrote:

Best Golden Rose win ever I read. Really? How do you work that one out? I don't have to go too far back in the distant past of the race to call bullsh1t on that.


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I guess he could get easily beaten in the Caulfield Guineas as he isn't a front runner so you'll still be unwilling to see what a run that was on Saturday.  Mind you the run of Thinkin' Big with the audacity to prick his ears coming to the line was also an eye opener.  Have to keep following both I think.
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He's short but he wins.

Just needs luck at the right time. Can't see anything going with him once he hits top gear.
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All he needs is luck now. It's no guarantee, and as a result I couldn't advise people to charge into a silly price. But with even luck he wins by a couple lengths.
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Best horse in the race hands down, but the race has been favourable to sprinting types who can sit on the speed and kick at the 200m.

The issue is where he gets from that gate. If he can sit a little closer from the gate, he has fewer horse to get past.
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$1.90 favourite. They wouldn't drift too far back. 14 horse field. Maybe slightly worse than midfield.
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He will be no further then 3 pairs back will hit the front at the 300 and cruise home.
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Love to think he;s no further than 3 pairs back but I'll be stunned if he is.
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Waller applied the blinkers in the golden rose so he could sit close but the barrier took that out of the equation. He will be worth a bomb after this race JMAC will know the only way he gets beaten is bad luck so they will take it out of play. Having said that he's good enough to win from last but I rate Leonardo da hinchi quite highly and think playing the straight out multiples with him running second is where the value will be. Hope something rough lobs in third.
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Gl to those who have him at a good price pre-post but I will be watching on here @1.9.
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Originally posted by SHOVHOG SHOVHOG wrote:

Waller applied the blinkers in the golden rose so he could sit close but the barrier took that out of the equation. He will be worth a bomb after this race JMAC will know the only way he gets beaten is bad luck so they will take it out of play. Having said that he's good enough to win from last but I rate Leonardo da hinchi quite highly and think playing the straight out multiples with him running second is where the value will be. Hope something rough lobs in third.

Arrowfield have purchased managing interest in him.  No surprise there.  No doubt another good horse that won't see the track after his 3yo Autumn campaign
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He's too short now. I reckon he may drift out to evens or even longer on the day.

Imagine if this race was at Flemington. What odds would he be? If he's $1.85 at Caulfield, he'd have to be $1.40-$1.50 at headquarters.
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Originally posted by MJB MJB wrote:

He's too short now. I reckon he may drift out to evens or even longer on the day.

Imagine if this race was at Flemington. What odds would he be? If he's $1.85 at Caulfield, he'd have to be $1.40-$1.50 at headquarters.


Agree and I'd much rather take the $1.40 at Flemington. Caulfield has brought plenty of gun Sydney-siders undone, let alone a big-striding swooper like this bloke. He is clearly the best colt in the land and I'm still smiling after getting $8.00 the Sunday before the Golden Rose but he must be a lay tomorrow. Leo and Native Soldier look the ones.
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Use the TAB multiplier and the 12pm lower market percentages on Friday to get around 2.10+
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Owners wanted to win a ATC derby. 

Doubt Arrowfield would want that now

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It did not stop them buying Dundeel. 


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He has won his "stallion making" races, He can win an Ascot Gold Cup and a Grand National and it will not change the quality of his swimmers.




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Yeah, definitely won't be going to a derby now.
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I want to see him in one of the Derbies.  Look at Hyperion he won from 5f as a two year old to the Epsom Derby and St Leger S as a three year old.  Doesn't stop them being great sires.  THe important thing is they have speed.  He's proved that already.
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Ladbrokes are betting 6/4 for the next hour.

Max bet is $50 which sucks but should be a collect.
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Horse is an absolute freak.
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