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TABCORP reported a 7% decrease across its TAB & UBET business on Melbourne Cup Day vs last year. Their press release suggested poor weather in Melb was "probably" the main reason. Well I think a few things can be said - firstly the weather in Melb is nearly always crap so we can throw that old chestnut out. Secondly, we had no late scratching's this year so the comparison is not horses for courses ( actually a lot more than 7%). Thirdly, the Everest Carnival is getting bigger & bigger & getting first bite at the cherry. Strategically brilliant by V'Landys. Will only continue to eat away at Melbourne's carnival as time goes on
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TABCORP reported a 7% decrease across its TAB & UBET business on Melbourne Cup Day vs last year. Their press release suggested poor weather in Melb was "probably" the main reason. Well I think a few things can be said - firstly the weather in Melb is nearly always crap so we can throw that old chestnut out. Secondly, we had no late scratching's this year so the comparison is not horses for courses ( actually a lot more than 7%). Thirdly, the Everest Carnival is getting bigger & bigger & getting first bite at the cherry. Strategically brilliant by V'Landys. Will only continue to eat away at Melbourne's carnival as time goes on
And one more reason. Take the hint - most are getting jack of the squillion internationals taking the race over. Maximum 6 to 8
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Someone reported at least one of the TABs was glitchy or down which doesn't help either - if true.
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What about people no longer betting with the TAB - I’m sure they have an ever-shrinking client case as the corporates gain. And also I agree far too many internationals making it irrelevant. Also, the favourite drew so wide that potentially the people who just back the obvious were put off.
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Originally posted by Gay3 Gay3 wrote:

Someone reported at least one of the TABs was glitchy or down which doesn't help either - if true.
Spot on Gay - I forgot about that one. Sportsbet (biggest on-line player) was down for over 2 hours , Ladbrokes similar. So fair to say TABs loss was not picked up by others
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The internationals issue has more impact on the "average punter". They don't relate to the horses or their form. Once a yearers probably not so much.
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Originally posted by oneonesit oneonesit wrote:

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TABCORP reported a 7% decrease across its TAB & UBET business on Melbourne Cup Day vs last year. Their press release suggested poor weather in Melb was "probably" the main reason. Well I think a few things can be said - firstly the weather in Melb is nearly always crap so we can throw that old chestnut out. Secondly, we had no late scratching's this year so the comparison is not horses for courses ( actually a lot more than 7%). Thirdly, the Everest Carnival is getting bigger & bigger & getting first bite at the cherry. Strategically brilliant by V'Landys. Will only continue to eat away at Melbourne's carnival as time goes on

And one more reason. Take the hint - most are getting jack of the squillion internationals taking the race over. Maximum 6 to 8


If you limit the number of internationals you slash the number of horses with a chance to win the bloody thing. Can’t see how that’d help betting turnover.
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Its certainly turninng into a race with horses that most of the everyday people know nothing about.  Once, everyone knew who a trainer was, or a jockey, and they just had their once a year bet on those fellows.  Now its hard even for those of us who follow races to even keep up with overseas form, let alone all the trainers and jocks.  I know a few locals who this year said they wernt even having a bet because they didnt know anything about it.  A few others said they were having a bet on James Cummings because of the Bart connection. Its loosing its appeal to the every day Aussies because there is no "little battler story" even in the race, let alone one with the chance of cracking it. A few years from now it will be full of Godolphin and O'Brien horses , throw in a few Lloyd imports, and very few Aussies will even get in the race.
Change its name then to the Melbourne International Gift.
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All these internationals that are winning are well in the market. Punters are doing something right. Except when a local blows them out at 100-1 (does that qualify as your “little battler story?”)
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Spot on AA, the Melbourne Cup Calcutta and Cup day lunch where I live were both the smallest crowds anyone can remember, some of my mates didn't even bother having a bet on the race because they didn't know who most of the horses are. By making it an international race they've turned away some of the casual punters, whether thats a good thing or not for the race I'm not sure but it is slowly opening the door for another race to evolve into 'the race that stops the nation'.
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Originally posted by Afros Afros wrote:

Spot on AA, the Melbourne Cup Calcutta and Cup day lunch where I live were both the smallest crowds anyone can remember, some of my mates didn't even bother having a bet on the race because they didn't know who most of the horses are. By making it an international race they've turned away some of the casual punters, whether thats a good thing or not for the race I'm not sure but it is slowly opening the door for another race to evolve into 'the race that stops the nation'.


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I don't think it's necessarily the Internationals being here thats the problem, its the fact they can qualify overseas and go straight into the Cup . It's totally destroyed all the relevance of the lead up races and the build up towards the big day. It's become just another race. Make the Internationals come out and have a campaign and qualify here. L
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Change the rules so they Must have had at least one start in Australia before running in the Cup. That way we can see how they’ve adapted to our conditions.
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Tote system in it's current model is on it's last legs.
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Originally posted by Baguette Baguette wrote:

I don't think it's necessarily the Internationals being here thats the problem, its the fact they can qualify overseas and go straight into the Cup . It's totally destroyed all the relevance of the lead up races and the build up towards the big day. It's become just another race. Make the Internationals come out and have a campaign and qualify here. L


Do the French do that for the Arc? The Brits for Ascot or the Americans for Breeders Cup?
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The Cup is a cultural event dressed up as a horse race. When people no longer relate, interest declines. Major story for the build up? Some UK owner will collect the trophy in his undies and afterwards the dead horse stories and how the Arab Sheik has finally wins after 30years. In the past we had many stories of owners jockeys and trainers journey to the cup instead of the media's obsession with the birdcage.

Removed comment totally uncalled for & unneccessary Disapprove
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Originally posted by oneonesit oneonesit wrote:

Originally posted by oneonesit oneonesit wrote:


TABCORP reported a 7% decrease across its TAB & UBET business on Melbourne Cup Day vs last year. Their press release suggested poor weather in Melb was "probably" the main reason. Well I think a few things can be said - firstly the weather in Melb is nearly always crap so we can throw that old chestnut out. Secondly, we had no late scratching's this year so the comparison is not horses for courses ( actually a lot more than 7%). Thirdly, the Everest Carnival is getting bigger & bigger & getting first bite at the cherry. Strategically brilliant by V'Landys. Will only continue to eat away at Melbourne's carnival as time goes on

And one more reason. Take the hint - most are getting jack of the squillion internationals taking the race over. Maximum 6 to 8


If you limit the number of internationals you slash the number of horses with a chance to win the bloody thing. Can’t see how that’d help betting turnover.
How much informed money is actually invested on the Cup Judge ? I'd suggest % wise the amount of mug money is much higher than the average race - so I'm not sure that argument stacks up. What are your thoughts on the declining turnover ?
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First Melbourne Cup that I didn’t have a cent on since I was 14    Which is a bloody long time ago
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Originally posted by Baguette Baguette wrote:

I don't think it's necessarily the Internationals being here thats the problem, its the fact they can qualify overseas and go straight into the Cup . It's totally destroyed all the relevance of the lead up races and the build up towards the big day. It's become just another race. Make the Internationals come out and have a campaign and qualify here. L


How can change that ?

There are NO qualifying races in Europe that do not already guarantee a horse a run by dint of getting a weight that gets them in anyway.



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Originally posted by JudgeHolden JudgeHolden wrote:

Originally posted by oneonesit oneonesit wrote:

Originally posted by oneonesit oneonesit wrote:


TABCORP reported a 7% decrease across its TAB & UBET business on Melbourne Cup Day vs last year. Their press release suggested poor weather in Melb was "probably" the main reason. Well I think a few things can be said - firstly the weather in Melb is nearly always crap so we can throw that old chestnut out. Secondly, we had no late scratching's this year so the comparison is not horses for courses ( actually a lot more than 7%). Thirdly, the Everest Carnival is getting bigger & bigger & getting first bite at the cherry. Strategically brilliant by V'Landys. Will only continue to eat away at Melbourne's carnival as time goes on

And one more reason. Take the hint - most are getting jack of the squillion internationals taking the race over. Maximum 6 to 8


If you limit the number of internationals you slash the number of horses with a chance to win the bloody thing. Can’t see how that’d help betting turnover.

How much informed money is actually invested on the Cup Judge ? I'd suggest % wise the amount of mug money is much higher than the average race - so I'm not sure that argument stacks up. What are your thoughts on the declining turnover ?


I haven’t had a good look at the figures. You’ve simply compared this year to last. You do realise they had internationals last year too?
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I haven’t had a good look at the figures. You’ve simply compared this year to last. You do realise they had internationals last year too?
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I haven’t had a good look at the figures. You’ve simply compared this year to last. You do realise they had internationals last year too?


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Originally posted by oneonesit oneonesit wrote:

Originally posted by JudgeHolden JudgeHolden wrote:

Originally posted by oneonesit oneonesit wrote:

Originally posted by oneonesit oneonesit wrote:


TABCORP reported a 7% decrease across its TAB & UBET business on Melbourne Cup Day vs last year. Their press release suggested poor weather in Melb was "probably" the main reason. Well I think a few things can be said - firstly the weather in Melb is nearly always crap so we can throw that old chestnut out. Secondly, we had no late scratching's this year so the comparison is not horses for courses ( actually a lot more than 7%). Thirdly, the Everest Carnival is getting bigger & bigger & getting first bite at the cherry. Strategically brilliant by V'Landys. Will only continue to eat away at Melbourne's carnival as time goes on

And one more reason. Take the hint - most are getting jack of the squillion internationals taking the race over. Maximum 6 to 8


If you limit the number of internationals you slash the number of horses with a chance to win the bloody thing. Can’t see how that’d help betting turnover.

How much informed money is actually invested on the Cup Judge ? I'd suggest % wise the amount of mug money is much higher than the average race - so I'm not sure that argument stacks up. What are your thoughts on the declining turnover ?
I'm looking for reasons Judge - that was one of a number I think have had an impact. Anyhow - thanks for your contribution

I haven’t had a good look at the figures. You’ve simply compared this year to last. You do realise they had internationals last year too?
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First Melbourne Cup that I didn’t have a cent on since I was 14    Which is a bloody long time ago


Pretty much the same for me. Had a very small bet. But growing up, I used to sit down and work out the form based on the local lead up races and the trainers I knew. Was my main betting race for the year. Has totally lost that excitement and appeal for me. I wouldn’t even care if I missed it.
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Originally posted by Shawy38 Shawy38 wrote:

First Melbourne Cup that I didn’t have a cent on since I was 14    Which is a bloody long time ago


Pretty much the same for me. Had a very small bet. But growing up, I used to sit down and work out the form based on the local lead up races and the trainers I knew. Was my main betting race for the year. Has totally lost that excitement and appeal for me. I wouldn’t even care if I missed it.
Think it has for a lot of people anabel. More important to get a bunch of largely second stringers over here so they can call it a major international race. Ouch
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The best way to address the international domination is to improve our horses. Wacky idea, I know. In the early days of the international visitors we had horses to compete. Makybe Diva fending off Vinnie Roe or Efficient nailing Purple Moon. It was terrific stuff.

Our horses are now rubbish. I can’t possibly see how ensuring starts for local camels does anything other than undermine the race. We need some Saintlys, Doriemuses, Might and Powers and Ethereals. Where have they all gone? The problems not them, it’s us.
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Winner of the Melbourne Cup had seven starts in its racing lifetime,never run past 2400 before last Tuesday and bolts in.

With all these variables what hope are you of picking the winner?
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Horse was third fave. Someone picked it.
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Horse was third fave. Someone picked it.

True, however the average punter given these variables would have considered it a risk,the race is impossible to work out with any confidence.
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