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    Posted: 07 Apr 2017 at 1:08pm
Standing at widden for $11k
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Good on them for getting a Stratum. I think he's a chance
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Emancipation was a favourite of mine.  I've given up trying to work out which stallion will make it.  I seem to be hopeless!
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Another young hopeful purchased by Rick Hore-Lacyas a Yrlg. That man was a good judge.
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Absolutely correct.  Star

It's a matter of real regret that Rick who was intelligent, educated and talented ended up with the ass out of his pants.
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Seems quite reasonably priced
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Bloody good horse on his day
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STRATUM STAR - Bay horse
[Stratum (Redoutes Choice)-Purely Spectacular (Pins-NZ)]
Stakes: $2.4M

1st
Kingston Town G1
Rupert Clarke G1
Peter Young Stakes G2
Coongy DJ Cup G3
Gothic Stakes  L
Yellow Glen Stakes  L

2nd
Futurity Stakes G1 (Turn Me Loose)
Sandow Stakes G2 (Redkirk Warrior)
Alister Clarke Stakes G2 (Chill Party)
Sandown Guines G2 (Petrology)
Carbine Club Stakes G3 (Kermadec)

3rd
Australian Guineas G1 (Wandjina)
Memsie Stakes G1 (Boban)
Toorak HCP G1 (Lucky Hussler)
QTC Cup G2 (Spill the Beans)
Blamey Stakes G2 (He or She)
CS Hayes Stakes G3 (Wandjina)
QTC Cup G2 (Spill the Beans)
Glasshouse HCP L (Flamboyer)

4th
Australia Cup G1 (Humidor)

An interesting sire who has proved a durable and competitive sprinter/middle distance type.  Would think at 11k there's a solid market for him? His sire I would think is very commercial and out of Redoute's Choice.  The immediate female family looks OK without being spectacular. 2  G1's albeit not iconic type races and a solid top 3 in several notable stakes races into his Fifth year.  Would think he'll get a reasonable number of good mares and be given a chance at stud.




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I think they have made a very good business decision pricing him at 11k, good value for money and I think he will be close to be booked out
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Originally posted by crooked_gambler crooked_gambler wrote:

I think they have made a very good business decision pricing him at 11k, good value for money and I think he will be close to be booked out

Quality hose, nicely bred, accessible price. Lacking one key trait that makes a sucessful 1st season sire....hype.
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I've notice quite a few of the Widden stallions go under the radar.  They just seem to be quiet achievers.
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Like him but unfortunately left it all out on the track.

Maybe but the odds are against him.

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Originally posted by Aurelius Aurelius wrote:

Like him but unfortunately left it all out on the track.

Maybe but the odds are against him.


Are you trying to say, that his ability to pass on his genetic traits is somehow affected by having a 37 start racing career?  
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Lonhro had 35 starts.  Better Boy a marvelous sire had over 50 starts.  Halo had 31 starts.  They can race on and be great sires.
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Not often furious. But hey it's all personal belief
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I think sequalo had quite a number of starts from memory

However on stratum star, he wont be anywhere near a commercial stallion unless he proves himself because as lordy pointed out ... hype.
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Originally posted by MichaelM MichaelM wrote:

Originally posted by Aurelius Aurelius wrote:

Like him but unfortunately left it all out on the track.

Maybe but the odds are against him.



Are you trying to say, that his ability to pass on his genetic traits is somehow affected by having a 37 start racing career?  


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Originally posted by furious furious wrote:

Lonhro had 35 starts.  Better Boy a marvelous sire had over 50 starts.  Halo had 31 starts.  They can race on and be great sires.<div id="UMS_TOOLTIP" style=": ; cursor: pointer; : 2147483647; : transparent; top: -100000px; left: -100000px;">


Danewin had 31 starts

Well raced and tested racehorses can't be good stallions = myth
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And needless to say, many stallions with short careers have turned out to have sub-par fertility. Mouawad had only about eight starts, didn't he? Al Kazeem only had about twelve I think, and Guineas was retired right after the Slipper and fired blanks. 
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STRATUM STAR (AUS)Chestnut colt 2011 
Stratum
Bay 2002
Redoute's Choice
Bay 1996
Danehill
Bay 1986
Danzig
Bay 1977
Northern Dancer
Pas de Nom
1961
1968
2-d
7-a
Razyana
Bay 1981
His Majesty
Spring Adieu
1968
1974
4-d
2-d
Shantha's Choice
Bay 1992
Canny Lad
Brown 1987
Bletchingly
Jesmond Lass
1970
1975
7-a
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Dancing Show
Bay 1983
Nijinsky
Show Lady
1967
1976
8-f
8-f
Bourgeois
Chestnut 1991
Luskin Star
Chestnut 1974
Kaoru Star
Chestnut 1965
Star Kingdom
Kaoru
1946
1955
1-g
31>
Promising
Chestnut 1968
Idomeneo
Modern Touch
1960
1963
2-i
2-e
Brave New World
Chestnut 1980
Vain
Chestnut 1966
Wilkes
Elated
1952
1957
13-c
A10
Undaunted
Bay or brown 1972
Le Cordonnier
Broadlea
1963
1956
2-n
4-n
Purely Spectacular
Bay 2006
Pins
Bay 1996
Snippets
Bay 1984
Lunchtime
Chestnut 1970
Silly Season
Great Occasion
1962
1965
1-g
7-f
Easy Date
Bay 1977
Grand Chaudiere
Scampering
1968
1970
19-b
20-a
No Finer
Chestnut 1979
Kaoru Star
Chestnut 1965
Star Kingdom
Kaoru
1946
1955
1-g
31>
Humour
Bay 1962
Pirate King
Real Delight
1953
1951
21-a
16-g
Vanilla Sky
Grey 1999
O'Reilly
Brown 1993
Last Tycoon
Bay or brown 1983
Try My Best
Mill Princess
1975
1977
8-f
8-c
Courtza
Bay 1986
Pompeii Court
Hunza
1977
1970
1-p
13-b
Principation
Grey 1987
Prince Echo
Chestnut 1978
Crowned Prince
Dawn Echo
1969
1973
4-d
8-c
Emancipation
Grey 1979
Bletchingly
Ammo Girl
1970
1974
7-a
3-l
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STRIKE WHILST THE IRON IS HOT

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He, Criterion and the like are perfect marketing tools for stallion farms.

They are proven toughness, proven ability and proven soundness.

If they can not make HYPE out of that they are not trying.




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I love his breeding & think he'll suit a wide spectrum of Oz mares with some super linebreding opportunities Thumbs Up
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Originally posted by Cityboy Cityboy wrote:

Originally posted by furious furious wrote:

Lonhro had 35 starts.  Better Boy a marvelous sire had over 50 starts.  Halo had 31 starts.  They can race on and be great sires.<div id="UMS_TOOLTIP" style=": ; cursor: pointer; : 2147483647; : transparent; top: -100000px; left: -100000px;">


Danewin had 31 starts

Well raced and tested racehorses can't be good stallions = myth


Are you trying to say, that his ability to pass on his genetic traits is somehow affected by having a 37 start racing career?
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I'm not sure whether that repeated question above is made to me. However, to.be clear, I wouldn't be the least bit worried about his number of race starts having a negative effect on his capabilities as a stallion.
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Surely, if a stallion can race on over several seasons he has to have 
1 a good temperament
2 constitution
3 sound, therefore a good type
Good for genetics. 
Hope he makes it.
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Plenty of good old australian blood in him.
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Originally posted by Cityboy Cityboy wrote:

I'm not sure whether that repeated question above is made to me. However, to.be clear, I wouldn't be the least bit worried about his number of race starts having a negative effect on his capabilities as a stallion.


Well you should.
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Aurelius - retiring young immature three year olds doesn't seem to be working.  

Heroic was champion sire seven times and ran in 51 races.  The great South Africian sire Foveros was Champion sire 9 times after 37 starts.  Halo had 31, Fair Play sire of Man O'War had 32 starts.  Century had 29, Carbine had 43, Discovery had 63, Alcimedes had 34, Bold Ruler 33 etc etc etc.

Good sires are good because they have what it takes to make a good sire.  He may or may not make it but his starts are the least of his worries.
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Statistics show that Stallions who have had more than 25 starts have less chance of success as a potential stallion.

Of course people can rattle of Lonhro and the list you have mentioned below and there would be more, very good sires seem to be able to buck the trend.

Facts are facts however and the odds are against him.

What baffles me are the likes if Goerge Michael, I said
he may succeed but the odds are against.

He either cannot read or is just fishing for a nonsensical argument probably both!
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Yes there are just as many stallion with less starts who made good.  

You don't have to be overraced to have 30 to 40 starts.  You can be more overraced to have just 9 starts.  It depends on the time in which those starts occurred.  How the trainer has overlooked the care and attention - looking for signs of over racing or training off.
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