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STALLIONS FOR SALE - Event Date: 20 Mar 2010

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    Posted: 20 Mar 2010 at 7:05pm
With a whole heap of stallions or stallion prospects on the market at the moment I would like to hear peoples comment on their ability or prospective ability their percieved stud fee value,
 
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Be very careful and speak in general terms, as we do not wish to affect sale negotiations. If you post is deleted, you know why. Just a friendly warning.

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Too hard for anyone to work this out.

Go to the studbook, find out how many mares they served over the last 3 years. Ring the stud and find out how many mares were 'paying'. Multiply that by the service fee and then multiply that by 3 and you have an approximate value of the horse.


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Thanks for the warning Mayor but can you tell me why we are allowed to say that a stud fee is ridiculously high and the stallion is not worth anywhere near that amount but cannot discuss the stud fee these stallions should stand for.

Cookie, does anyone still use this model for valuing a Stallion? It seems to me that most bread and butter stallion are valued at 1 years worth of services. Also i was after their what people thought their service(stud) fee should be set at not their overall value, but thanks anyway.Big smile
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Mayor, I'd be astonished if any of the posts from the cognoscenti in the forum could affect sales negotiations on any stallion! Nothing else we opine on seems to have much influence!

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Cookie, what is your opinion of the stallion prospects I have listed

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Understandable why you value them at the Cookie, but I think many of these sires have a lot of underestimated value. If advertised and marketed correctly perhaps some could serve 50+ mares a season.
 
Basically the difference between us valuing a stallion who has a set stud fee and is stable at a stud, and us valuing a stallion on the market is our opinion - as breeders - can influence prospective buyers. I think that's what the Mayor's getting at.


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Wow. I didnt know regal shot was for sale. Love that horse.
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i really like regal shot. Really nice types, he has good looking babies

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I told you, I am editing these posts very heavily to remove any comments that may affect the market value of any individual horse. General comments only, please. 
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LACRYMA CRISTI - underrated, good breed to race prospect.
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Heard a whisper that Cheval de Troy may be moving to NSW


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I had a look at Cheval de Troy up at Craiglea when he first arrived. I think he is a really well put together stallion, great bone and lovely head & seemed to have a pretty relaxed temperament.
He has 4 fillies going through the MM QTIS sale that starts today. My choice is lot 379.
Cheval de Troy will have to do it the hard way, but I like his female line, liked his performance and he is fair value.
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Out of all the stallions I like REDOUTABLE the best, I think he has pedigree that would suit a range of broodmares.
Especially mares with Green Dancer, Halo, More Than Ready, Sir Tristram, Bold Reason, The Minstrel etc
 
It's just rather risky though, he needs to get some winners up fast to even consider him
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The Cheval de Troy's sold well.

Four fillies, $12k,$14k,$18k and $36k.
 
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not bad ofo a $3300 service fee
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More importantly who bought them?
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All the good judges
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:)  I recall a sales company rep telling me that every judge is a good judge!  Sometimes they'll be right and sometimes they'll be wrong; but they're all having a go and that makes them good.  Seemed a positive, yet political, way of approaching the idea!
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Short Pause seems alright too, he's conformation isn't bad, he wasn't a bad racehorse either and his pedigree would suit mares with maybe Nureyev, Never Bend, Klairon, Northfields, Sir Tristram, Secretariate, Cosmic Bomb, and/or Nasrullah.
 
he would be a good option for people wanting to breed stayers maybe?
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Lot 379 was bought by Mitch Frazer of Royston. There were at least two genuine bidders on her. I talked to the underbidder afterwards so the $36k was dinkum.

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Another that sold very well was Dr Green 5k fee and they sold to 70k (Good week for Secret Hill).
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How do you lear who matches with what bloodlines, and the nicking etc? Is it just from pouring over horses that have done well and noting what crossed well?
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The Dr Green that went for $70k had a lot of Fu Peg about him..looked terrific, but so do many Fu Pegs!
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Don't forget about the 'sports horse' market where many of the nice types but not trendy stallions end up.  Iga Ninja, Family Ties, one of the Russian ones from years ago are a few that ended up as equestrian sires - this is where some of these may end up rather than pure racehorse breeders (and if some are already in those types of homes their studbook stats would be misleading).
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As an example of a tried stallion Hayil sold for 11K through MM, he was a middle park stakes winner.
 
As you can see the market for a stallion that has failed to get the results expected is not worth much money.
 
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And he had produced over 50% winners to runners as well bradjm, so was not the worst around.
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No he wasn't and had limited opportinity, but leaving stakes winners out a stallion really has to produce a number of metro class horses.
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Originally posted by orpen orpen wrote:

Lot 379 was bought by Mitch Frazer of Royston. There were at least two genuine bidders on her. I talked to the underbidder afterwards so the $36k was dinkum.

I heard that Cheval de Troy was relocating to Royston. Not so dinkum i think.Wink
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