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Second Chance 
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 Posted: 31 Dec 2019 at 4:50pm |
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Yulong January likely to go around again tomorrow at headquarters, albeit at a prohibitive quote. There's another natural leader in the field however Jye McNeil says the horse doesn't have to lead so will hopefully avoid a speed race up front.
Hope you won't consider the following boastful because it certainly isn't meant to be: rather more a matter of us being extremely prideful breeders. Summary: Duty With Honour: Purchased for $13k, multiple winner (city winner plus a frustrating five times 2nd in town). Dam of 4 to race for total stud fees of less than $22k. All being winners of a total of 23 races (14 metro) with 33 (24 metro) placings, two stakes wins, four stakes places, $1,012,587 in prize-money. Go Harry! |
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Mumtaz
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Posted: 31 Dec 2019 at 7:32pm |
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You've got every reason to be prideful!
As you say, go Harry!
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Sister Dot
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Posted: 31 Dec 2019 at 10:04pm |
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Most impressive! May I ask how u choose your sires?
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“Where in this wide world can man find nobility without pride, friendship without envy, or beauty without vanity? Here where grace is laced with muscle and strength by gentleness confined”
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acacia alba
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Posted: 01 Jan 2020 at 1:45am |
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OMG. There you are, Sister. So I know you are safe.
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animals before people.
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Posted: 01 Jan 2020 at 2:28pm |
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Winner winner chicken dinner.
Congrats SC and RFF 
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Sister Dot
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Posted: 01 Jan 2020 at 4:12pm |
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3rd post! Think I’m more excited than SC 😁 what a super horse 👏👏👏
1st Flemington today, the wonderful Mamzelle Tess 3rd |
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“Where in this wide world can man find nobility without pride, friendship without envy, or beauty without vanity? Here where grace is laced with muscle and strength by gentleness confined”
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Sister Dot
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Posted: 01 Jan 2020 at 4:33pm |
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Been travelling, then home to fires! All good with us though, Sorry to worry you xx
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“Where in this wide world can man find nobility without pride, friendship without envy, or beauty without vanity? Here where grace is laced with muscle and strength by gentleness confined”
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Posted: 01 Jan 2020 at 5:33pm |
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2020 starts with a bang. Hope the year continues to offer up great results for everyone here. Congratulations on producing yet another superior runner. Just what any breeder worth there right to breed should be trying to do. Yet time and time again alot of breeding is done to have a good result in the sale ring. Pity they couldn't go together for you here.
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Second Chance
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Posted: 01 Jan 2020 at 8:25pm |
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Thanks for everyone's posts and pm's of congratulations.
 We were there today and it was both thrilling and nerve wracking. The leader went "easy" until into the straight and didn't know if we could peg back his two-plus lengths lead with 500m to go. He gave plenty but thankfully we gave just a little more to win by a long head. After the race David suggested they'd continue with Harry's campaign provided he pulled up ok. One option was the Chester Manifold in 10 days time but he expressed concern that it would would entail three runs in 21 days which was a big ask. Another alternative was the John Dillon Stakes in 24 days time. Sis in response to your query there's been some earlier debate in this thread about our mating strategies however will summarize a few examples later in the week.
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Mumtaz
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Posted: 02 Jan 2020 at 10:46am |
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Sorry I missed this.
Great form and looking forward to seeing him at the next level. He looks more than ready.
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Posted: 02 Jan 2020 at 2:43pm |
Sister, we're very much into line breeding. Here's two examples of matings we chose for the mare. Unfortunately the Kaphero died from snakebite so we'll never know. However you can see the superior horses commonly replicated in each pedigree. The King of Prussia match is now proven twice on the racetrack. Will later post the pedigree of Money Maher which has so far won three stakes races for us. Kaphero - Duty With Honour King of Prussia - Duty With Honour Danehill 3 x 3 Danzig 4 x 4 Century 3 x 4 Century 4 x 4 Vain 5 x 5 Vain 5 x 5 Star Kingdom 5,7 x 6,6 Star Kingdom 7 x 6,6 Orgoglio 7 x 5,7 Orgoglio 7 x 5,7 Natalma 6,6 x 6,6 Natalma 5 x 6,6 My Babu 6,7,7 x 5 sibs Vana & Elated 4 x 6,6 sibs Vana & Elated 4 x 6,6 sibs N Dancer & Spring Adieu N Dancer & Spring Adieu 4 x 5, 5
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Posted: 24 Jan 2020 at 5:49pm |
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Harry goes around again tomorrow after a little freshen. We'll be there, and hopefully in the photo should he salute.
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Mumtaz
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Posted: 24 Jan 2020 at 7:51pm |
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All the best. It must be nice to know that you could well have the best horse in a race at that level.
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Sister Dot
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Posted: 24 Jan 2020 at 10:50pm |
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Thanks for that SD, definitely onto something there. I don’t know much in-depth info re linebreeding, but I do love seeing Vain in a pedigree 😁 I know it revolves around the mares? There’s always so many well known successful horses in every pedigree, how do you pinpoint the one that caused all the success? It’s ok, don’t answer, I know I could read a book on the subject and still not breed a champ 🤔🐎
I’ll just sit back and enjoy watching Harry romp another one in. 🍀 |
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Posted: 25 Jan 2020 at 6:10pm |
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He tried so hard, in very good company, I guess he'll have a little paddock time now?
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Posted: 25 Jan 2020 at 7:00pm |
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A really nice horse
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furious
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Posted: 25 Jan 2020 at 7:21pm |
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I really hate how you beat a horse in a normal race then come to the stakes race have to give it more weight and they beat you! Still a good run.
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Posted: 26 Jan 2020 at 3:54am |
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It is good to see success with linebreeding.
 I thought I was the only fan left.Duty With Honour has a nice pair of full siblings in her pedigree. I see you are not afraid to use older stallions.
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Posted: 26 Jan 2020 at 11:08am |
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Thanks folks.
Harry had no excuses, but it's hard to give away 3kgs to a horse we only beat by a head last start. He'll almost certainly go to the paddock now after recording 4 wins, a 2nd and a 4th from 6 starts this prep.
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Posted: 26 Jan 2020 at 5:37pm |
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Love seeing those dups of Century and Vain.👍
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Posted: 26 Jan 2020 at 5:41pm |
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How much sex balanced duplicating Is involved in those matings, SC.
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Second Chance
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Posted: 26 Jan 2020 at 6:05pm |
Thanks Diomed, we now have you in Ireland along with a couple of others in the USA and Germany as our overseas breeding afficionados. You'll have also seen that one of the siblings you refer to in Duty With Honour, ie Vain and Vana out of Rarcamba, is replicated in King of Prussia's pedigree. A huge tick there imo.
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Posted: 26 Jan 2020 at 7:21pm |
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nice to see a great campaign
Well done SC. 🍾🍾
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Posted: 26 Jan 2020 at 7:59pm |
Goldey have tried to cut and paste without success. Suggest you go to Racing Australia, call Yulong January up, open up his pedigree chart at the bottom of which you'll find his sex-oriented in-breeding data. |
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Sister Dot
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Posted: 26 Jan 2020 at 10:09pm |
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He tried valiantly, that’s all you can ask. A horse anyone would love to own ⭐️
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And now back to Sis's earlier question about in-breeding.
Money Maher (Al Maher from Treasury Notes)has won three stakes races for us so far. There's no in breeding in the first three removes, however the match provides: a. a score of 3.62 on Wright's in-breeding coefficient (0-1 being low and 5-6 being arguably over the top) and b. a score of 23.05% (22.66% cross duplications) on Hardiman's coefficient of in-breeding. The % speaks for itself. They're predominantly male crosses with a North American influence as the following shows: Northern Dancer 4,5 x 4,5 Siblings ND/Spring Adieu) 4,4,5 x 4,5 Sibs His Majesty/Graustark 4 x 5 Natalma 5,5,6 x 5,6 Sibs His Majesty/Graustark 4 x 5 Ribot 5 x 6 Flower Bowl 5 x 6 Hail To Reason 5 x 6,6 Almahmoud 6,6,6,7 x 6,7 Turn-To 6,7 x 7,7 Petition 6 x 6 Alibhai 6,7 x 7 Tom Fool 6 x 6,7 Bull Page 6 x 6 Lalun 7 x 6 Flaring Top 6 x 7 War Admiral 7 x 6 Bull Lea 7,7 x 7 and so on. Going back 7 generations there'll always be a fair number of duplications, however they're rather more concentrated than the norm in Money Maher's case. Of course none of the above may have anything to do with his success. But I'm still claiming so.
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Posted: 02 Feb 2020 at 5:01pm |
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And now Double Wraps, Duty's last foal. Breaking the so-called "rules" re sex-balancing but nevertheless essentially a close up KISS mating: Danehill 3M x 3M: Bletchingly 4D x 5D, 5D.
Only time will tell.
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Posted: 03 Feb 2020 at 12:45am |
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The post above on Wright's in-breeding coefficient above gave me the imputus to go to TrueNicks and get a report on the foal my mare is carrying, by Scissor Kick out of Beatisa.
A lot of work went into selecting the sire/mare combination before I bought the mare. I was afraid the Inbreeding Coefficient would be high. It is 3.32%. The Degree of Relatedness is 5.50%. They give it A+, a variant of 4.21. I do not think this makes the unborn foal a star, but it is in the group that does not have to sit on the naughty stool. How many horses bred on the Direct Sire/Broodmare Sire cross? ...... zero  |
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Posted: 03 Feb 2020 at 8:33am |
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Tail line Best in Show for both sire and dam couldn't hurt.
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