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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Discohips23 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Apr 2019 at 8:06pm
Well that trainers son needs to extract the digit and get his license then. But hey, let the industry sit on its hands for another 20 years and give this blokes son more time to make life choices.
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Originally posted by Gay3 Gay3 wrote:

Trainer numbers have dropped from 1200 odd a few years ago to 800 as it is! When mega trainers have 200 & 300+ on their books it leaves dregs for the rest so anyone gutsy enough to want to make a go of it should be encouraged.
Mitch Freedman & Daniel Bowman, ex Weir employees are going superbly at present fwiw.


Totally agree that Daniel Bowman & Mitch Freedman are going superbly, and well done to them both. Let’s not forget that they were with Weir in the very early days when all Weir did was send ones down to the beaches who had joint issues. Theses blokes didn’t have to manage a stable of a hundred or so. The ex Weir employee chasing the license has been there through the thick of this Weir & McLean disgrace. If you think that if this person gets a permit to train and won’t have horses in the stable that will have connection to Weir and his cronies, you’re delusional.
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Hopefully, the stewards can put a stop to handing out trainers licenses to any Weir and MacLean employees until after the police investigation is complete.
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Cutting off your nose to spite your face.

Genius.
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Confused  Why would stopping Weir associates getting trainers licence be cutting off your nose ?  
animals before people.
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Not all of his employees are dodgy.
In fact, 99% were hardworking good people.
Blocking them from further employment in the industry would be discrimination.
Unless of course you had actual evidence of any wrongdoing.
Karl and Susan Kennedy are my heroes
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Discohips23 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Apr 2019 at 8:44am
Originally posted by Xavier Xavier wrote:

Not all of his employees are dodgy.
In fact, 99% were hardworking good people.
Blocking them from further employment in the industry would be discrimination.
Unless of course you had actual evidence of any wrongdoing.
 
I'm sure the majority are hard working good people. Not sure "In fact" 99% are.
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And you would know, because you seem to know just about everything else.
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Originally posted by Discohips23 Discohips23 wrote:

 I'm sure the majority are hard working good people. Not sure "In fact" 99% are.


As can be said for the entire workforce Yin Yang
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Originally posted by Xavier Xavier wrote:

And you would know, because you seem to know just about everything else.
 
Well when the Police finish with their charges we will see exactly what percentage of Weir's employees were involved and I can guarantee there will be more than the 1% that your proposing.
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Unfortunately just being associated with Weir is going to leave a stain on you for a while.
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That is ridiculous. 
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Limiting stable numbers could be a better idea than stopping people from obtaining licences to better even out distribution.
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Restraint of trade - won't happen.
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Exactly, you can't persecute the rest for the actions of a few, if the pass the criteria it's up to them to respect the upholding of their license, if they have learnt a few tricks it's best out in the open rather than hiding behind the skirts of the cheaters imo.
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Originally posted by Gay3 Gay3 wrote:

Restraint of trade - won't happen.


It’s a sport - surely the racing bodies can come up with whatever rule they like? Such as “one location per trainer, and trainer must oversee each individual horse”

Salary caps in other sports are there to prevent a team getting too big.
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It's a sport lol, go tellthat to Coolmore.
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Originally posted by Carioca Carioca wrote:

It's a sport lol, go tellthat to Coolmore.

Or that "other bloke" Messara.
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Of course there’s big business around it, same as many other sports, but the rules of racing can still be adjusted as needed. They give out trainers licences - surely they can make whatever conditions they like around having one.
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Tighten the trainers legal responsibilities.

‘If’ a horse is found to be non compliant or test positive to a substsnce the trainer will be held responsible regardless of any act or omission of a third party.

It may result in trainers beefing up security and lowering horse numbers.
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Originally posted by anabel anabel wrote:

Of course there’s big business around it, same as many other sports, but the rules of racing can still be adjusted as needed. They give out trainers licences - surely they can make whatever conditions they like around having one.

They don't " give out" licences per say , you have to show your financial with proof e.g. bank statements, clients , stables , horse numbers, where you will be located , insurance ,public liability, as well as an exam?? their are numerous things you need, it can be a real head/f..., and there are conditions, quite a few, and it's up to the Applicant if he wants to toe the line or not.
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When horses turn up to race and the "trainer" wouldn't know their horse/s in a line up there is a problem.

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Can't quite remember the last time I saw a heap of horses in a lineup*.Let alone a trainer trying to identify his.

* unless in a paternity suit where a pregnant mare had to identify the culprit.
 


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I was merely saying that if a group of horses lined up randomly in lower grade, these mega trainers would not be able to pick who is racing for them as they don't actually train them.

Clearly i was using a hypothetical.
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Originally posted by Second Chance Second Chance wrote:

Can't quite remember the last time I saw a heap of horses in a lineup*.Let alone a trainer trying to identify his.

* unless in a paternity suit where a pregnant mare had to identify the culprit.
 



There was one just the other day SC, in the Coolmore LOL
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Originally posted by ChrisB ChrisB wrote:

When horses turn up to race and the "trainer" wouldn't know their horse/s in a line up there is a problem.

100% correct
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Hey yes !!! ....  very funny post race interviews sometimes    Wink 

(and pre-race of course)


..... adds to the lighter side of going to the races Smile
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